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Something about Brogdon gives me Andre Miller vibes. I loved Dre when he was a “Blazers”. Brogdon is definitely more versatile as he can effectively play either guard position, is probably a better shooter overall (Dre was solid mid-range), better defender, and has more size at 6’5”. At this point I trust Cronin but I wouldn’t mind keeping Brogdon around as a vet.
 
I really think people need to pump the breaks on Brogdon. I haven’t heard great things about his character in the locker room. He sounds like a malcontent a little bit. Dude won 6th man of the year and they tried to dump him for very little.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I really think people need to pump the breaks on Brogdon. I haven’t heard great things about his character in the locker room. He sounds like a malcontent a little bit. Dude won 6th man of the year and they tried to dump him for very little.
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Because he wanted a shot at the starting PG job. He wasn't going to be allowed a chance.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I really think people need to pump the breaks on Brogdon. I haven’t heard great things about his character in the locker room. He sounds like a malcontent a little bit. Dude won 6th man of the year and they tried to dump him for very little.
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They dumped him for another player who plays his position.

He still may be a malcontent, but I doubt he will be with the Blazers.
 
blazerfan11 said:
They dumped him for another player who plays his position.

He still may be a malcontent, but I doubt he will be with the Blazers.
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No I mean they tried to dump him to LAC for Morris and a late pick.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I really think people need to pump the breaks on Brogdon. I haven’t heard great things about his character in the locker room. He sounds like a malcontent a little bit. Dude won 6th man of the year and they tried to dump him for very little.
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Sounds like the the type of attitude that does not like to lose. Stresses defense. Sounds like a coach. I am liking him more and more as a much-needed leader

 
Everything Beagle said:
And if he'd been drafted at 19 years old, he'd have been exactly as bad. Ceiling is ceiling.
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That hypothetical doesn't make sense. At that point, he would not have had the college career under his belt, and he was an undersized shooting guard that was #39 overall coming out of high school. What team would have ever picked him in the first round?

When the Blazers pickd him, he was much more developed as a player because he was almost 22, and he still was a late first rounder... why? Because while he was productive in college, he didn't have the upside of someone like, say, Anfernee Simons who was picked in the 20's several years later as a teenager.
 
Ed O said:
That hypothetical doesn't make sense. At that point, he would not have had the college career under his belt, and he was an undersized shooting guard that was #39 overall coming out of high school. What team would have ever picked him in the first round?

When the Blazers pickd him, he was much more developed as a player because he was almost 22, and he still was a late first rounder... why? Because while he was productive in college, he didn't have the upside of someone like, say, Anfernee Simons who was picked in the 20's several years later as a teenager.
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I mean his NBA career would have been the same because his ceiling is his ceiling whether he’s 19 or 22. Do you think Dame would have been better if he’d been drafted at 19 years old?
 
Everything Beagle said:
I mean his NBA career would have been the same because his ceiling is his ceiling whether he’s 19 or 22. Do you think Dame would have been better if he’d been drafted at 19 years old?
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He would have had a higher ceiling relative to where he was drafted because (a) probably not as good a basketball player at 19 as he was at 22 so his net present value would have been based more on future value (and ceiling) than what he was capable immediately after being drafted, and (b) he would have gone later in the draft. Compared to the 22 year olds that would have been available when he would have been drafted, he ABSOLUTELY would have had a higher ceiling than those older guys (like Nolan Smith) who may have been drafted around there... if those players were three years more mature, three years more of college AND had as much potential for growth as he did, they wouldn't have slid to the spot where a hypothetical teenage Dame would have been drafted.
 
Ed O said:
He would have had a higher ceiling relative to where he was drafted because (a) probably not as good a basketball player at 19 as he was at 22 so his net present value would have been based more on future value (and ceiling) than what he was capable immediately after being drafted, and (b) he would have gone later in the draft. Compared to the 22 year olds that would have been available when he would have been drafted, he ABSOLUTELY would have had a higher ceiling than those older guys (like Nolan Smith) who may have been drafted around there... if those players were three years more mature, three years more of college AND had as much potential for growth as he did, they wouldn't have slid to the spot where a hypothetical teenage Dame would have been drafted.
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Here is some more reading on the topic: https://www.libertyballers.com/2016/4/13/11376588/nba-draft-age-star-superstar-draft-analysis

It was written in 2016, so after my (painfully obvious) criticism of Smith in 2011 but still presumably relevant.
 
riverman said:
I listened to a Suns beat writer talking about how bummed they are to lose Camara in the trade. I think this kid might have flown under the radar in the draft.From what I've seen he's a two way player who love defense.
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Sam Mitchell during a summer league game, commenting on Camara: " Frank Vogel is going to love this young man."
 
Natebishop3 said:
I really think people need to pump the breaks on Brogdon. I haven’t heard great things about his character in the locker room. He sounds like a malcontent a little bit. Dude won 6th man of the year and they tried to dump him for very little.
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I know nothing….as always, but maybe him being a Chauncey desciple helps with some of that?
 
riverman said:
I listened to a Suns beat writer talking about how bummed they are to lose Camara in the trade. I think this kid might have flown under the radar in the draft.From what I've seen he's a two way player who love defense.
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What if that writer their Jason Quick? Imagine somebody in Cleveland saying, hey this guy in Portland, Dwight Jaynes said…..
 
Mediocre Man said:
I know nothing….as always, but maybe him being a Chauncey desciple helps with some of that?
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I think Brogdon is happy to be out of the situation in Boston where he wasn't going to get a chance to be the starting point guard.

I also think Cronin has earned some cachet with both players and GMs and Brogdon is optimistic about where he'll end up eventually.

Four out of five players surveyed recommend Cronin.
 
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