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Everything Beagle said:
If you are quibbling about the electoral college then you already know I’m correct and are looking for a loophole. I hope that comforts you. Death is on every hand now. None will escape this eager hell.
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I know i will regret this, but what death are you referring to?
 
PCmor7 said:
I'd advise caution on trying to calculate what Trump will or won't do, or at least will and won't try to do. Some of the stuff he's suggested has been carried out in smaller degrees in red states.

It's like I said to someone else, it's kind of strange to hear people say they voted for Trump for something he said he'd do and then some of those same people spend time on the message boards telling people they didn't really think he'd do what he said he'd do.
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For example: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/07/politics/trump-immigrant-detention-plans/index.html
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
And the younger generations keep whining and blaming the Boomers for the younger generation's failures to launch. Like we had it all handed to us. You don't know shit about my adult life and the route I took to get (and keep) my head above water. My contemporaries and I "launched" in the '70's, when the economy sucked badly and 6-7% were coveted mortgage interest rates. Unemployment was sky high. I worked several jobs (while going to school on the GI Bill) just to pay the rent and eat cheaply. Get the fuck outta here with your "no skin in the game bullshit". It sounds like you have a very good job and apparently do okay. Kinda like me when I was your age, only better. I'm not sure where your bitterness comes from. Speaking strictly for myself, I earned what I have through a lot of hard work and stress (and some luck too. It happens). I played by the rules (and didn't fall back on blaming the times....or other generations for cock blocking me), and now I'm trying to enjoy the rewards such as they are. If you want to blame where America is right now, bone up on your history. The bill for the Reagan years has come due in a big way. But quit hating on us for following the rules.....and for resenting the fact that an idiot who never followed the rules in his life and cheated his way to the top is now the president of the United States.
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Importantly, you didn't become a fucking Nazi when things went bad.

You didn't vote for Reagan, you didn't vote for Nixon. You didn't vote for Bush I or Bush II. You didn't increase fascism as it slowly rose in the United States over decades. You protested Vietnam and the Iraq War and the war in Afghanistan. You didn't contribute to this situation at all. You followed the rules. You were promised a reward by your parents' generation and their parents' generation of politicians. And now that you're trying to get what's yours, a million decisions people made over the entirety of your adult life have culminated in your metaphorical grandchildren voting for a dictator. It's demoralizing, because you never contributed to this at all.
 
This election made me realize more than anything that I am really out of touch with young red state people these days but at the same time really glad I chose to settle down and invest in the blue coast of tolerance and empathy. Just like in the 60s and 70s....I'm in the minority again in my own homeland politically and that's not unfamiliar in my life. I left a very red county in the mid west when I was 17 and never looked back. I'm at home in Lane County Oregon and that's not ever going to change. Just like the election, fishing sucked yesterday...not a nibble but a great way to meditate and wash out the brain. Now we have Elon Musk in the Dick Cheney control booth and Trump on the golf course....this is Musk's administration. Trump is just a prop. Hopefully someone is going to pay attention to the checks and balances over the next four years because the crooks have the passwords.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Importantly, you didn't become a fucking Nazi when things went bad.

You didn't vote for Reagan, you didn't vote for Nixon. You didn't vote for Bush I or Bush II. You didn't increase fascism as it slowly rose in the United States over decades. You protested Vietnam and the Iraq War and the war in Afghanistan. You didn't contribute to this situation at all. You followed the rules. You were promised a reward by your parents' generation and their parents' generation of politicians. And now that you're trying to get what's yours, a million decisions people made over the entirety of your adult life have culminated in your metaphorical grandchildren voting for a dictator. It's demoralizing, because you never contributed to this at all.
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Hopefully that isn't sarcasm (no green font anyway). But I did (or didn't) do much of what you pointed out (though I am a Vietnam era vet). I was a green, naive young man who had himself and a young wife to support. We kept our heads down and our noses to the grindstone because we had no choice (because we made the choice to marry). We were following the examples (and expectations) set for us (good, bad or indifferent). And when Reagan was elected (and re-elected) I felt just as sick to my stomach as I do now (with excellent reason, as history has shown). And yeah, it is demoralizing. I know economic conditions are rough (and housing prices are obscenely high) but they are NOT impossible. High real estate prices are NOT the fault of the Boomers. I'm certainly not buying up residential properties and jacking the rents up. It feels like so much of the younger generation would rather whine than try. I guess it's too much work to work. They want to do what they want, not what they have or need to. These are the same people who want small to no government, then cry crocodile tears when the government doesn't solve their problems. But yeah, make America great again.......
 
I think a big part of the confusion boomers have with the term boomer is that now it’s being used by Gen Z to mean anyone older than Gen Z. The crimes of Gen X, Boomers, even elder Millenials are wrapped up in the term boomer. It’s semantic shift; it’s confusing when it happens so fast.
 
Everything Beagle said:
If you are quibbling about the electoral college then you already know I’m correct and are looking for a loophole. I hope that comforts you. Death is on every hand now. None will escape this eager hell.
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I am not looking for a loop poll, just not a fan of people trying to take the moral high ground. I live in a state that Harris will eventually win by a couple of million votes.....she did not need my vote. The outcome in CA was never in doubt. If I lived in a swing state then I would have voted for her.

But I have not been happy with either party since the first time I voted 4 decades ago. Nothing has changed nor will it until they are forced to. Independents are growing for a reason. Blindly giving allegiance to either party is not helping either. I think a lot of us would prefer a moderate third party........ taking the best from each party. Unfortunately, that will never happen in my lifetime either.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Hopefully that isn't sarcasm (no green font anyway). But I did (or didn't) do much of what you pointed out (though I am a Vietnam era vet). I was a green, naive young man who had himself and a young wife to support. We kept our heads down and our noses to the grindstone because we had no choice (because we made the choice to marry). We were following the examples (and expectations) set for us (good, bad or indifferent). And when Reagan was elected (and re-elected) I felt just as sick to my stomach as I do now (with excellent reason, as history has shown). And yeah, it is demoralizing. I know economic conditions are rough (and housing prices are obscenely high) but they are NOT impossible. High real estate prices are NOT the fault of the Boomers. I'm certainly not buying up residential properties and jacking the rents up. It feels like so much of the younger generation would rather whine than try. I guess it's too much work to work. They want to do what they want, not what they have or need to. These are the same people who want small to no government, then cry crocodile tears when the government doesn't solve their problems. But yeah, make America great again.......
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We are all accountable for what happens in our country; my hackles got raised a bit because you said you followed the rules. Nazis came into power legally in the 1930s too. The Rules are great and all, but every overreach or concerning exception made at the top or even somewhere in the middle of the chain of command can’t just be accepted because that’s how the rot sets in. I’m not mad you served or lived your life; it’s just frustrating that, no matter what we do, the rule never mattered because those in power wrote them in the first place and they’re all fucking bastards.

I have no quarrel with you; I’m just processing my potential very real doom.
 
Everything Beagle said:
We are all accountable for what happens in our country; my hackles got raised a bit because you said you followed the rules. Nazis came into power legally in the 1930s too. The Rules are great and all, but every overreach or concerning exception made at the top or even somewhere in the middle of the chain of command can’t just be accepted because that’s how the rot sets in. I’m not mad you served or lived your life; it’s just frustrating that, no matter what we do, the rule never mattered because those in power wrote them in the first place and they’re all fucking bastards.

I have no quarrel with you; I’m just processing my potential very real doom.
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Yep, one of the hardest lessons I've had to learn is that "the rules" are generally bullshit and aren't worth reading.....or following. If you have enough money you can get away with anything (see the current president elect). The only time in the past few decades that I actually found that "the rules" worked is when I last had my tires rotated. Because I rotate them according to the 5K mile "rule", after 55K miles the tire wear was exactly even all the way around. Too bad the rest of life doesn't work like that......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
And the younger generations keep whining and blaming the Boomers for the younger generation's failures to launch. Like we had it all handed to us. You don't know shit about my adult life and the route I took to get (and keep) my head above water. My contemporaries and I "launched" in the '70's, when the economy sucked badly and 6-7% were coveted mortgage interest rates. Unemployment was sky high. I worked several jobs (while going to school on the GI Bill) just to pay the rent and eat cheaply. Get the fuck outta here with your "no skin in the game bullshit". It sounds like you have a very good job and apparently do okay. Kinda like me when I was your age, only better. I'm not sure where your bitterness comes from. Speaking strictly for myself, I earned what I have through a lot of hard work and stress (and some luck too. It happens). I played by the rules (and didn't fall back on blaming the times....or other generations for cock blocking me), and now I'm trying to enjoy the rewards such as they are. If you want to blame where America is right now, bone up on your history. The bill for the Reagan years has come due in a big way. But quit hating on us for following the rules.....and for resenting the fact that an idiot who never followed the rules in his life and cheated his way to the top is now the president of the United States.
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Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it! It's comical how much of history gets repeated over and over but for whatever reason people want to think what they are living through is the best and/or worst it's ever been. I guess that's the self righteous nature of human beings.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Be careful out there ya'll. Emotions are high and the train continues without people doing research.



Insert people losing their minds. But really it is good.

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This will quadruple the homeless population if not more
 
JFizzleRaider said:
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Did you read it? It's called the Social Security Fairness Act.

If someone works for a state or local govt and gets a pension, they don't get to claim their full social security amounts even though they paid into it just like everyone else. It gets decreased by a substantial amount.

This bill will eliminate that so those workers get their full social security amount depending when they start taking it.

Can you elaborate why that will make more people homeless?
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I read what was on the attachment saying a bill to reduce social security payments for people with pensions...does that apply to PERS retired folks like me? OSEA is a State Union Shop...I replied that reducing seniors SS payments would increase homelessness...maybe I'm not following the attachment ..I'll scroll back and look
 
bigbailes said:
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it! It's comical how much of history gets repeated over and over but for whatever reason people want to think what they are living through is the best and/or worst it's ever been. I guess that's the self righteous nature of human beings.
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We're in this weird position of having one of the best if not THE best living standards in the world and yet our people feel they still are getting screwed over.

I wonder if part of that is that we still have such a wealth gap and rules not seeming to apply to people like Trump and Musk and then being told BY Trump and Musk that their money is being taken away by (insert at-risk group that none of them have ever met). People still think they should have more, and I think they could have more. There's no reason in this country that we can't do something about healthcare. Harris' sandwich generation idea was doable and very popular. We should be able to do things about post-secondary education costs.

If we can enact programs to hold back people who aren't doing anything that hurts us, we surely can enact programs that help people.
 
Tim Miller worked for McCain and Jeb Bush but really has devoted his efforts into fighting Trump. I've found a lot of his stuff on the Bulwark very informational and even therapeutic. Some of his stuff partly early in this (long) video really resonated with me.

 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Good analysis but most of us had this figured out after the 2016 election.........anyone with a podcast and a shtick can now be an influencer.....and too many Americans are too stupid to figure it out. It's easier to be angry than to try and help ones own self.
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Yep.

This also goes to my response to an earlier post about the level and tone of the coverage the respective candidates received. I got back an article saying that Harris got significantly more positive coverage and I responded that, well, Trump said a lot of negative, crazy stuff and you have to take that into account, but you also have to take this into account. Not all this news is coming from ABC, CNN. CBS, Fox and NBC. A lot of it comes from random people who have no experience and education in journalism who are entertainers looking to find a niche, fame, and wealth.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Bashing Trump for hanging out with Elon while Harris is hanging out with the Hollywood elite did not go unnoticed by middle America.
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What you say may be absolutely true, but if so it just is more evidence on the voters-are-really-fucking-stupid pile.

There's a huge difference between Harris appearing at a rally or two with some Hollywood performer and Trump being funded by the richest man on earth and a huge government contractor / subsidy recipient, and promising to put him in charge of government spending.

Those two things are not anywhere near the same.

barfo
 
jonnyboy said:
Retired boomers with pensions, inflated real estate and no skin in the game are actually shaming young people for daring to have any grievances whatsoever about the disastrous economic situation caused by…(see top)
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I support your right to air your youthful grievances, although you do seem to have an inordinate number.

But maybe when you are older you'll come to understand the wisdom in not cutting off your nose to spite your face.

barfo
 
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barfo said:
What you say may be absolutely true, but if so it just is more evidence on the voters-are-really-fucking-stupid pile.

There's a huge difference between Harris appearing at a rally or two with some Hollywood performer and Trump being funded by the richest man on earth and a huge government contractor / subsidy recipient, and promising to put him in charge of government spending.

Those two things are not anywhere near the same.

barfo
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Consulting with Elon would be an upgrade on any of the consultants he had the last time around. (very low bar)

But come on do you really think Elon will be in charge of government spending?
 
Galakelife said:
your welcome for finding the data you asked help for.
Sorry it didnt help with your narrative about unbiased press.
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That doesn't show a biased press. They reported what was there.

You don't have to say something bad about one person just because you said something bad about the other. Some people are just more bad than others.

When that is the case an unbiased media will report more bad about the person who is more bad.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Consulting with Elon would be an upgrade on any of the consultants he had the last time around. (very low bar)

But come on do you really think Elon will be in charge of government spending?
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Yes. It might or might not be official, but until he pisses Trump off by not kissing ass quite enough, he will have a lot of influence and will use it to further enrich himself.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yes. It might or might not be official, but until he pisses Trump off by not kissing ass quite enough, he will have a lot of influence and will use it to further enrich himself.

barfo
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I don't agree with what comes out of Elon's mouth. But I have been screaming for more electric cars since the 70's. The American car companies screwed us for the longest time. It took Elon pushing the envelope with all the Tesla charging stations to make them all step up. I don't care how rich he gets. He is a weird dude though.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't agree with what comes out of Elon's mouth. But I have been screaming for more electric cars since the 70's. The American car companies screwed us for the longest time. It took Elon pushing the envelope with all the Tesla charging stations to make them all step up. I don't care how rich he gets. He is a weird dude though.
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I don't care how rich he gets either, except for wealth-inequality concerns generally.
The bigger problem is that he'll be 'in charge' of deciding how much the government spends on his companies. That's not kosher.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I don't care how rich he gets either, except for wealth-inequality concerns generally.
The bigger problem is that he'll be 'in charge' of deciding how much the government spends on his companies. That's not kosher.

barfo
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SCOTUS said it is.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't agree with what comes out of Elon's mouth. But I have been screaming for more electric cars since the 70's. The American car companies screwed us for the longest time. It took Elon pushing the envelope with all the Tesla charging stations to make them all step up. I don't care how rich he gets. He is a weird dude though.
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Sometimes I can’t keep things straight for what maga likes. They definitely like Musk. They definitely hate electric and hybrid cars and love their diesel/gas. Anti-semites, white nationalists, and KKK are 9.9/10 MAGA. Republicans are all about Israel and fuck Hamas/palestine/anyone who protests Israel bombs. They hate big govt but love telling people what to do with their bodies. They hate the deficit but add significantly to it every Presidential term when in office.
 
PCmor7 said:
We're in this weird position of having one of the best if not THE best living standards in the world and yet our people feel they still are getting screwed over.

I wonder if part of that is that we still have such a wealth gap and rules not seeming to apply to people like Trump and Musk and then being told BY Trump and Musk that their money is being taken away by (insert at-risk group that none of them have ever met). People still think they should have more, and I think they could have more. There's no reason in this country that we can't do something about healthcare. Harris' sandwich generation idea was doable and very popular. We should be able to do things about post-secondary education costs.

If we can enact programs to hold back people who aren't doing anything that hurts us, we surely can enact programs that help people.
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If basic needs were better met, housing, healthcare, food, with better safety nets, along with not having to go into college debt to secure a well paying career, I don't think people would care as much about the wealth gap.

It could all taken care of and would be cheaper then what we are doing now. Rich people would still be rich and could whatever the fuck they wanted.

I do think rich people/people with power getting way with everything does affront some people.
 
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