Game Thread 2024 March Madness

[Tince]

If we wait tell the draft we will see how the experts view them both. One is a mid to first rounder the other second rounder my guess?

Seems about right. Neither blow my skirt up. I'd rather take a swing with Edey in the 2nd round than Clingan in the mid 1st.

 

[PCmor7]

Why is Clingan considered a much better NBA prospect than Edey?

Great question.

Watching tonight, if Clingan is being considered top five, then Edey's raised his stock again.

People can say all they want about "who is he going to defend." I wonder who defends him. There still are plenty of traditional centers in the NBA. He's a very good talent. It's just a matter of a team finding the way to play to his strengths and him finding a way to fit in.

 

[kjironman1]

Clingan is all those things?

They both seem like big, slow, non-3pt shooting threats; neither seems like ideal PnR defenders. Edey plays all game, Clingan plays half the game, so I would hope he plays harder. I'd assume if the two swapped teams, UConn would be as good or better and Purdue would almost certainly be worse.

What makes Clingan's basketball IQ superior? I've watched them both play about 8-10 times and I'm not seeing a significant difference. Obviously I'm missing something though!

Pretty clear yes he’s all those things. Way better shooter and does have the longer range to stretch to the 3. He rests because he plays harder on the court and the team has options. I doubt very much swapping teams changes much either because UConn is quite a bit better. Just this game tonight you watched a better IQ on both ends of the court.
if you watched these guys play that much you would know Eddy is way slower and rests a bunch on the court. You also watched him air ball free throws. Eddy will never be a threat from 3.
Most experts say his game simply won’t translate to the pros but maybe he can bring a Steven Adam’s type game?

 

[PCmor7]

Clingan is all those things?

They both seem like big, slow, non-3pt shooting threats; neither seems like ideal PnR defenders. Edey plays all game, Clingan plays half the game, so I would hope he plays harder. I'd assume if the two swapped teams, UConn would be as good or better and Purdue would almost certainly be worse.

What makes Clingan's basketball IQ superior? I've watched them both play about 8-10 times and I'm not seeing a significant difference. Obviously I'm missing something though!

You aren't missing anything. A narrative formed somewhere in the last two years and nothing we see or that Edey does is going to change minds because people would have to have evolution in their position.

 

[HansenYang]

Clingan is all those things?

They both seem like big, slow, non-3pt shooting threats; neither seems like ideal PnR defenders. Edey plays all game, Clingan plays half the game, so I would hope he plays harder. I'd assume if the two swapped teams, UConn would be as good or better and Purdue would almost certainly be worse.

What makes Clingan's basketball IQ superior? I've watched them both play about 8-10 times and I'm not seeing a significant difference. Obviously I'm missing something though!

You're correct. Clingan is nothing special.

I personally prefer Edey. I wouldn't take either player in the top 15 though

 

[Tince]

Pretty clear yes he’s all those things. Way better shooter and does have the longer range to stretch to the 3. He rests because he plays harder on the court and the team has options. I doubt very much swapping teams changes much either because UConn is quite a bit better. Just this game tonight you watched a better IQ on both ends of the court.
if you watched these guys play that much you would know Eddy is way slower and rests a bunch on the court. You also watched him air ball free throws. Eddy will never be a threat from 3.
Most experts say his game simply won’t translate to the pros but maybe he can bring a Steven Adam’s type game?

I don't disagree on Edey's game struggling to translate. I didn't see anything tonight about Clingan's IQ being better, just him being on the better team. I can see how Edey is slower than Clingan, but I guess I don't see Clingan being a rim-running post in the NBA; one is slow and the other is slower. You'd think the slower, lower basketball IQ player, inferior shooter, on the worse team shouldn't be able to put up 37/10 on a lottery pick who is better in all the areas you listed.

If Edey really is that much worse, I'm surprised how much better he looked tonight.

 

[PCmor7]

Pretty clear yes he’s all those things. Way better shooter and does have the longer range to stretch to the 3. He rests because he plays harder on the court and the team has options. I doubt very much swapping teams changes much either because UConn is quite a bit better. Just this game tonight you watched a better IQ on both ends of the court.
if you watched these guys play that much you would know Eddy is way slower and rests a bunch on the court. You also watched him air ball free throws. Eddy will never be a threat from 3.
Most experts say his game simply won’t translate to the pros but maybe he can bring a Steven Adam’s type game?

Clingan is a much better shooter? He is 2-for-8 from 3 in his career and raised his FT% all the way to 58%. Edey's a better than 70% FT shooter for his career and gets to the line a lot.

I've watched both of them a lot. I just don't see a lot that supports your contentions. Edey was playing on a greatly undermanned team. He shot 60% on a high volume, he was a physical presence, he rebounded and he blocked shots despite playing against a team that has several NBA prospects (and multiple lottery prospects) and played a tempo that supposedly he can't play.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Great question.

Watching tonight, if Clingan is being considered top five, then Edey's raised his stock again.

People can say all they want about "who is he going to defend." I wonder who defends him. There still are plenty of traditional centers in the NBA. He's a very good talent. It's just a matter of a team finding the way to play to his strengths and him finding a way to fit in.

No team is going to invest their entire offense to slow down and throw the ball into the post for him. He's not going to be able to score the way he is at the NBA level. It's inefficient. There are very few in the league that play that slow, throw it in the post offense. Most teams won't even consider it.

 

[PCmor7]

No team is going to invest their entire offense to slow down and throw the ball into the post for him. He's not going to be able to score the way he is at the NBA level. It's inefficient. There are very few in the league that play that slow, throw it in the post offense. Most teams won't even consider it.

Hyperbole is worse than Hitler. No one is saying any team has to do that. No one is saying he has to do that. All that's being said is that he's at least as good as a guy that recently was being touted as top five in this draft.

This is what I mean about people stuck on narratives and then conflating things so they don't have to re-evaluate their positions.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Hyperbole is worse than Hitler. No one is saying any team has to do that. No one is saying he has to do that. All that's being said is that he's at least as good as a guy that recently was being touted as top five in this draft.

He played better than a top 5 or 10 pick at a completely different level. Not sure what that has to do with Hitler though.

This is what I mean about people stuck on narratives and then conflating things so they don't have to re-evaluate their positions.

I didn't have a position until tonight. I hadn't seen him until tonight. You're making quite the assumption that doesn't apply here. You wanna take him with a late 1st or 2nd? Sure. Expecting him to much of a factor? I don't think he can even be a backup but I'm open to being wrong.

 

[PCmor7]

He played better than a top 5 or 10 pick at a completely different level. Not sure what that has to do with Hitler though.

I didn't have a position until tonight. I hadn't seen him until tonight. You're making quite the assumption that doesn't apply here. You wanna take him with a late 1st or 2nd? Sure. Expecting him to much of a factor? I don't think he can even be a backup but I'm open to being wrong.

I'd say what you did with your last two posts responding to me were even bigger assumptions except they weren't assumptions -- they were complete misrepresentations of pretty clear points.

Anyway, thanks for making my point by completely conflating positions. Kudos.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'd say what you did with your last two posts responding to me were even bigger assumptions except they weren't assumptions -- they were complete misrepresentations of pretty clear points.

Anyway, thanks for making my point by completely conflating positions. Kudos.

I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[PCmor7]

I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about.

Most obvious, honest post on the board.

OK, I'll spell it out for you.

-- It's been said that Clingan now is a potential top 5 pick. It's been said Edey is a waste of a first round pick. But Edey had a great game last night and Clingan was average, and they were playing the same position against each other. Their talents aren't that different. The question was asked why are they viewed so differently.

-- One reply was a bunch of opinion that wasn't supported by data.

-- Then you who have since said you don't follow the players popped in and replied to me. You wrote no one was going to center their offense around Edey. But I didn't say that. In fact, no one said it. You were arguing a position no one made.

-- You wrote Edey won't be able to score like that in the NBA in response to me. But I never said he would. In fact, no one said it. You are arguing a position no one made.

-- You said most teams won't consider playing a style that would feature someone like Edey. But I never suggested they would. In fact, no one said it. You are arguing a position no one made ... and on top of that a position you actually can't know and you made it in a very vague way.

-- You said you had no opinion until the game last night. I didn't say you did. I said people create a narrative and then conflate things so as not to re-evaluate their positions. That doesn't have to mean you specifically. All it means is you have to stick to the common narrative that's been used without any consideration to new information.

-- "Hyperbole" is an exaggeration. Writing false premises like teams would be building their team and style around Edey is hyperbole. No one suggested it except you. You were exaggerating to try to argue against positions no one else had taken. Saying "hyperbole is worse than Hitler" is an example of hyperbole.

 

[kjironman1]

I don't disagree on Edey's game struggling to translate. I didn't see anything tonight about Clingan's IQ being better, just him being on the better team. I can see how Edey is slower than Clingan, but I guess I don't see Clingan being a rim-running post in the NBA; one is slow and the other is slower. You'd think the slower, lower basketball IQ player, inferior shooter, on the worse team shouldn't be able to put up 37/10 on a lottery pick who is better in all the areas you listed.

If Edey really is that much worse, I'm surprised how much better he looked tonight.

To be clear here i agree with you that the difference is negligible at best. I also agree with you on your point "Why is there such a divide between the two?". Neither seem to be huge difference makers. I honestly think if a team takes either of them top 5 they will be frustrated with the pick. When you are talking about things Like BBIQ and translation of game we certainly are nit picking on a few plays here and there. You can't teach 7-4 and 300lbs. Eddy is a monster. Got to be a place for him in the NBA.

There might also be some intangibles? Work ethic? Are they teachable? Off court history? How well did they conform to the coaches and systems they played for? I'm betting their combines will say the most about them?

 

[kjironman1]

Writing false premises like teams would be building their team and style around Edey is hyperbole

Yep this is huge part of the conversation. If a player is taken with a top 5 pick the assumption is that player needs to be part of a team going forward. Probably isn't more than 2 players in this draft that should have those kinds of expectations on them.
Both Eddy or Clingan would have to be projects IMHO but one things holds true. Eddy is very big. This is the NBA we are talking about. You simply cannot teach the tools he has.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

Neither blow my skirt up.

When did you start wearing skirts?

 

[kjironman1]

When did you start wearing skirts?

For visual effect!

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Most obvious, honest post on the board.

OK, I'll spell it out for you.

You haven't done a good job thus far so I'm not holding my breath.

-- It's been said that Clingan now is a potential top 5 pick. It's been said Edey is a waste of a first round pick. But Edey had a great game last night and Clingan was average, and they were playing the same position against each other. Their talents aren't that different. The question was asked why are they viewed so differently.

"It's been said" has nothing to do with my premise or what I've said, but if you're asking me to defend someone else's point, I can. Edey dominating Clingan is... ON THE COLLEGE LEVEL. That has no barring on how he translates to the NBA level. People have Clingan higher because he's plug and play and his strengths have nothing to do with having the entire offense structured around him in addition to being far more mobile. Get it yet?

-- One reply was a bunch of opinion that wasn't supported by data.

Your responses have been all opinion and no data... And guess what? There's nothing wrong with that. None of us are full time scouts so try getting off your soap box.

-- Then you who have since said you don't follow the players popped in and replied to me. You wrote no one was going to center their offense around Edey. But I didn't say that. In fact, no one said it. You were arguing a position no one made.

Nobody said that you said that. Do you have feelings of inadequacy and that people are out to get you too? If you don't want people to reply to you, don't post on a message board that's dedicated to discussion.

-- You wrote Edey won't be able to score like that in the NBA in response to me. But I never said he would. In fact, no one said it. You are arguing a position no one made.

Plenty of people who think Edey should be a lottery pick have made that argument. Are you okay?

-- You said most teams won't consider playing a style that would feature someone like Edey. But I never suggested they would. In fact, no one said it. You are arguing a position no one made ... and on top of that a position you actually can't know and you made it in a very vague way.

Again, there seems to be some inadequacies on your part. No one suggested you said that. I'm saying that because without it, I don't see how he would contribute on the NBA level. Try to follow along without projecting your insecurities into the debate.

-- You said you had no opinion until the game last night. I didn't say you did. I said people create a narrative and then conflate things so as not to re-evaluate their positions. That doesn't have to mean you specifically. All it means is you have to stick to the common narrative that's been used without any consideration to new information.

So you're getting mad at me for quoting you and responding to an argument you didn't make but you just did the same thing. Lol You responded to me and said "people" create arguments they don't have to reevaluate. And guess what? I'm not crying about it like you are. Try sticking to your own standard.

-- "Hyperbole" is an exaggeration. Writing false premises like teams would be building their team and style around Edey is hyperbole. No one suggested it except you. You were exaggerating to try to argue against positions no one else had taken. Saying "hyperbole is worse than Hitler" is an example of hyperbole.

It's not a false premise because my suggestion is that you would have to center your offense around him to get an adequate use out of him. He's not a plug and play the way Clingan seems to be. Bringing up Hitler is not necessary when you've run out of substance. Try something else. I've never witnessed an Edey fanatic until you came along.

 

[PCmor7]

You haven't done a good job thus far so I'm not holding my breath.



"It's been said" has nothing to do with my premise or what I've said, but if you're asking me to defend someone else's point, I can. Edey dominating Clingan is... ON THE COLLEGE LEVEL. That has no barring on how he translates to the NBA level. People have Clingan higher because he's plug and play and his strengths have nothing to do with having the entire offense structured around him in addition to being far more mobile. Get it yet?



Your responses have been all opinion and no data... And guess what? There's nothing wrong with that. None of us are full time scouts so try getting off your soap box.



Nobody said that you said that. Do you have feelings of inadequacy and that people are out to get you too? If you don't want people to reply to you, don't post on a message board that's dedicated to discussion.



Plenty of people who think Edey should be a lottery pick have made that argument. Are you okay?



Again, there seems to be some inadequacies on your part. No one suggested you said that. I'm saying that because without it, I don't see how he would contribute on the NBA level. Try to follow along without projecting your insecurities into the debate.



So you're getting mad at me for quoting you and responding to an argument you didn't make but you just did the same thing. Lol You responded to me and said "people" create arguments they don't have to reevaluate. And guess what? I'm not crying about it like you are. Try sticking to your own standard.



It's not a false premise because my suggestion is that you would have to center your offense around him to get an adequate use out of him. He's not a plug and play the way Clingan seems to be. Bringing up Hitler is not necessary when you've run out of substance. Try something else. I've never witnessed an Edey fanatic until you came along.

And more hyperbole.

If you think I'm an Edey "fanatic," the issue isn't that I've done a poor job explaining. The issue is that you have a very poor job of comprehension or that you like to just make brash comments and get irritated when people point them out. That's a "you" problem.

If you've actually paid attention to this board, there are several posters that have questioned why Clingan has been getting rated as a potential/likely lottery pick and Edey has been considered a waste of a first-round pick. Having noticed your posts before, I don't think you pay attention to what else is posted here, though. Anyway, saying Edey and Clingan are close doesn't make someone an Edey fanatic. If you can't understand that concept, again, that's a "you" and a "your comprehension" issue again. No one else would equate saying someone didn't have to be the focal point of a team to being a fanatical supporter.

Looking forward to your next gigantic post of false narratives, moved goalposts, conflation and lack of comprehension. As I said before, I love it when the person trying to argue with me makes my case for me. Please continue.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

And more hyperbole.

If you think I'm an Edey "fanatic," the issue isn't that I've done a poor job explaining. The issue is that you have a very poor job of comprehension or that you like to just make brash comments and get irritated when people point them out. That's a "you" problem.

If I was irritated I would have responded with 7 paragraphs like you did. I was worried about you.

If you've actually paid attention to this board, there are several posters that have questioned why Clingan has been getting rated as a potential/likely lottery pick and Edey has been considered a waste of a first-round pick. Having noticed your posts before, I don't think you pay attention to what else is posted here, though. Anyway, saying Edey and Clingan are close doesn't make someone an Edey fanatic. If you can't understand that concept, again, that's a "you" and a "your comprehension" issue again. No one else would equate saying someone didn't have to be the focal point of a team to being a fanatical supporter.

The only person talking about Clingan between us is you.

Looking forward to your next gigantic post of false narratives, moved goalposts, conflation and lack of comprehension. As I said before, I love it when the person trying to argue with me makes my case for me. Please continue.

LMAO. Weird fetish, bro.

 

[PCmor7]

If I was irritated I would have responded with 7 paragraphs like you did. I was worried about you.



The only person talking about Clingan between us is you.



LMAO. Weird fetish, bro.

That's an interesting reply. Tell me more.

And, dude, the whole conversation that you jumped into was because of Edey in relation to Clingan. In fact, you actually responded to that directly at one point (although it was barely in what could be considered a sentence, but still).

My suggestion is if you can't understand English or are 8 or can't keep track of your own posts, post less. It'll save you time and aggravation.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

That's an interesting reply. Tell me more.

And, dude, the whole conversation that you jumped into was because of Edey in relation to Clingan. In fact, you actually responded to that directly at one point (although it was barely in what could be considered a sentence, but still).

My suggestion is if you can't understand English or are 8 or can't keep track of your own posts, post less. It'll save you time and aggravation.

Buddy, you keep calling me aggravated but you're the one getting so defensive because you can't actually defend your positions and you're getting your panties all up in bunches because people don't think Edey will translate to the NBA. I've been laughing at your responses ever since you replied with personal attacks. It's honestly hilarious.

You keep mentioning Clingan, but my evaluation of Edey has nothing to do with Clingan. I told you why they think Clingan will translate and Edey won't and you're getting manic about it. It's a message board so I thought I'd contribute to the discussion and you're getting upset about it with countless paragraphs attacking me instead of defending your position. You need a mental health day. Treat yourself to a spa and get off the internet if you don't want people challenging your troglodyte ideas.

Your comprehension skills are pretty piss poor even for the internet, I must say.

 

[PCmor7]

Buddy, you keep calling me aggravated but you're the one getting so defensive because you can't actually defend your positions and you're getting your panties all up in bunches because people don't think Edey will translate to the NBA. I've been laughing at your responses ever since you replied with personal attacks. It's honestly hilarious.

You keep mentioning Clingan, but my evaluation of Edey has nothing to do with Clingan. I told you why they think Clingan will translate and Edey won't and you're getting manic about it. It's a message board so I thought I'd contribute to the discussion and you're getting upset about it with countless paragraphs attacking me instead of defending your position. You need a mental health day. Treat yourself to a spa and get off the internet if you don't want people challenging your troglodyte ideas.

Your comprehension skills are pretty piss poor even for the internet, I must say.

You keep trying to argue points no one is arguing. I've posted that and you didn't understand it. I explained it with examples and you didn't understand it. And here you are doing it again. You are trying to tie people to positions they haven't taken and just keep doubling down on it.

BTW, I'm replying to a post where you said you told me why Clingan will translate to the NBA and Edey won't, but in your previous post you just said the only one talking about Clingan was me. Which is it? This is what I mean that you lack the ability to keep track of what you've even been saying. I think you just want someone to talk to, because, IIRC, a lot of people have you blocked.

I'll chat with you on here, but it's not going to be on the terms you want. If you keep trying to go off on false positions and equivalencies, I'm just going to go right back to the actual discussion.

 

[Tince]

When did you start wearing skirts?

When did I stop?!?

 

[Bmac767777]

Before I post my analysis on Edey's game and how it translates to the NBA. I want to ask Amiricon. What does your moniker mean or symbolize?

 

[Tince]

That's an interesting reply. Tell me more.

And, dude, the whole conversation that you jumped into was because of Edey in relation to Clingan. In fact, you actually responded to that directly at one point (although it was barely in what could be considered a sentence, but still).

My suggestion is if you can't understand English or are 8 or can't keep track of your own posts, post less. It'll save you time and aggravation.

You're getting close to having yourself blocked!

 

[THE HCP]

Without a doubt, no questions, literally the worse Men’s NCAA Tourney I’ve ever watched.

 

[THE HCP]

There’s a reason a kid who averages under 5 points and 4 rebounds declared for THIS draft…. Bronny might just get picked out of thei “talent” pool.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

You keep trying to argue points no one is arguing. I've posted that and you didn't understand it. I explained it with examples and you didn't understand it. And here you are doing it again. You are trying to tie people to positions they haven't taken and just keep doubling down on it.

Except nobody accused you of those positions. You keep repeating yourself like a fragile victim. Buck up. You're not.

BTW, I'm replying to a post where you said you told me why Clingan will translate to the NBA and Edey won't, but in your previous post you just said the only one talking about Clingan was me. Which is it? This is what I mean that you lack the ability to keep track of what you've even been saying. I think you just want someone to talk to, because, IIRC, a lot of people have you blocked.

Try reading it again. I said I wasn't bringing up Clingan but gave you the argument as to why Clingan is considered a lotto pick and Edey was not. It's not hard. Try to keep up. I know people who have blocked you too but that's not germaine to the discussion.

I'll chat with you on here, but it's not going to be on the terms you want. If you keep trying to go off on false positions and equivalencies, I'm just going to go right back to the actual discussion.

I don't have terms. Just don't get defensive. It's okay to disagree on the points but no point in personal attacks. It shows your insecurities unnecessarily.

 

[Hoopguru]

This is like a church stitch and bitch quilters group.