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The "Way too Early' Draft prognostication

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CJ_is_Gone said:
Not PR.
Just do a little scouting yourself. Watch some actual game film (not just highlights).

There is some talent there, but players selected in the 6-12 range last year will be top 5 picks this year. Last year's 30-45 guys will be 20-35 type guys.
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every prospect i've looked at could help this Blazer team immediately. It will take years until folks can look back and access the 2024 draft as "weak".
a quick glance at Tankathon...
> teams that coughed up their 2024 1st:
TOR, BKN, GSW, LAL, DAL, SAC, LAC, MIN
you think these GM's are gonna say 'we messed up'?

the entire spectrum of 2nd round picks has been shifted, aggregated, no look passed from one team to another. Philly & Phoenix forfeited picks? What the hell happened?
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Honestly, I think I'd prefer to use the GSW pick to pay off the debt to Chicago (assuming they would agree).
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I think that would be a terrible proposition. We could probably trade Brogdon to NY for the Mavs 1st this year + Fournier, then trade Fournier + one if the CHA/ATL 2nds for Ball’s remaining contract and our 1st back. Would getting off Ball’s money a year early and a high 2nd be enough to get rid of the obligation? Maybe, maybe not. But that starting point is much better than trading a possible lotto pick.

That’s just an example of a realistic possibility.
 
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BankTeller said:
I think that would be a terrible proposition. We could probably trade Brogdon to NY for the Mavs 1st this year + Fournier, then trade Fournier + one if the CHA/ATL 2nds for Ball’s remaining contract and our 1st back. Would getting off Ball’s money a year early and a high 2nd be enough to get rid of the obligation? Maybe, maybe not. But that starting point is much better than trading a possible lotto pick.

That’s just an example of a realistic possibility.
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Exactly. I see no reason to trade a POSSIBLE lottery pick for a pick that CAN NEVER be a lottery pick. Just because there is not a clear cut top of the draft does not mean there are not high level prospects available late. Significant gamble, yes. Big reward if it hits, also yes.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Just because there is not a clear cut top of the draft does not mean there are not high level prospects available late. Significant gamble, yes. Big reward if it hits, also yes.
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Completely agree. I’m also someone who believes in the draft process. It is always the easiest and cheapest way to find talent, especially when you’re bad.

I’d argue there’s not gamble at all in picking someone vs trading the pick away. What’s the alternative? I’ll be more worried about the pick obligation when we’re good again. What would be a bigger problem to me is going all the way to ‘27-‘28 without a playoff berth, which would be one of the two reasons the swap doesn’t convey.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Exactly. I see no reason to trade a POSSIBLE lottery pick for a pick that CAN NEVER be a lottery pick. Just because there is not a clear cut top of the draft does not mean there are not high level prospects available late. Significant gamble, yes. Big reward if it hits, also yes.
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On draft day if these Warriors somehow make it into the playoffs, you have to think about it though.
 
With the Griz win last night, that puts a nice four game cushion between us and the sixth best record.


blazerkor said:
On draft day if these Warriors somehow make it into the playoffs, you have to think about it though.
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If it is draft day and there is no prospect that we like with the Golden State pick, you definitely consider it. What others seemingly are proposing is trading it now without knowing where it lands and who is available.
 
MarinerDNA said:
No Ceilings had a special guest on their show - a former NBA executive - to discuss this year's draft. At the 1hr-1hr22min mark they discuss the mid 1st-2nd round rim runners that teams get every year and identify Missi as this year's bargain. I fully agree.

https://www.youtube.com/live/OXY-PpO6oNo?si=gf_Xx-DF0ML-ZAd4
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I concur. I’ve always said that I don’t like taking bigs/rim runners and such in the teens unless they are top tier defenders. Missi doesn’t fill that need for me, but he’s more interesting than Clingan, Filipowski, Ware if he’s in the late 20s.
 
Aaron Bradshaw’s now had a handful of games under his belt. He hasn’t been spectacular or anything, but I really believe Schmitz picks this guy up if he is in the 2nd round. And with even guys like Missi (who will be more effective right away) probably ahead of him, I see that being a strong possibility.
 
You can play Topic with Scoot and Sharpe:

6’6” w/o shoes
6’7.25” w/shoes
7’0” wingspan

He has legitimate SF size
 
Everyone should also keep this in mind. This is currently the top 15 in the ‘25 draft:

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There might be a couple PGs who make it to the top, but the chances of a generational PG prospect look INCREDIBLY slim.

This year, Topic is the #1 PG prospect—the hype on his playmaking is Doncic/Rubio level imo. Collier was considered an early #1 pick, he still has potential to be a good PG, and he’s now between #4-5 just among PGs. I’m not high on Sheppard, but he’s up there on a lot of boards. I AM high on Dillingham, I think he’s going to be a really good guard, as many of the Kentucky guards are. I’m also high on Castle, who’s a 6’6 PG/SG. Carrington is a wildcard, Proctor/Wagner both have the HS reputation.

If that Warriors pick could land a guy like Dillingham, I’m betting there are plenty of trade down opportunities where we can acquire another ‘25 1st from a team who will want Dillingham, and there WILL be teams that want him.
 

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DaRon Holmes is about to be catapulted into the first round on most mocks. I had him at 35 but was waiting for a major break out game. I don't think he goes lottery or anything because of size & strength/unsure of position he'll play. But someone to keep an eye on.
 
MarinerDNA said:
DaRon Holmes is about to be catapulted into the first round on most mocks. I had him at 35 but was waiting for a major break out game. I don't think he goes lottery or anything because of size & strength/unsure of position he'll play. But someone to keep an eye on.
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Gonna look more into him.
 
Even with the lack of excitement, I still see this class full of enticing players. Doesn’t have to be all at the top, I want to see how all of our pick chest shakes out after the deadline. If Cronin lands a ‘24 pick in the 20s, I’m REALLY hoping that dubs pick gets parlayed into a future ‘25 1st.

One guy near the top, another around 20, two guys between #34 and #38 to stash or develop in the GL.
 
Anyone think Ware could fall? I’m talking close to 30.

Sarr. Clingan and Filipowski. Smith. Missi. Let’s pretend Edey is in the first round too, Tankathon has him at #24 for some reason.

Sarr and Missi, I could see both guys going ahead of Ware. Filipowski and Clingan, admittedly, have not gotten much attention from me, but I know win now teams might want them ahead of Ware. I don’t actually know if I’d have Smith ahead of Ware, but Smith is getting top 20 love. Just seems like too many big guys that could go in the first round.

I’m going to have to watch more of these bigs and tier them, this class is ridiculously loaded with bigs.
 
BankTeller said:
Anyone think Ware could fall? I’m talking close to 30.

Sarr. Clingan and Filipowski. Smith. Missi. Let’s pretend Edey is in the first round too, Tankathon has him at #24 for some reason.

Sarr and Missi, I could see both guys going ahead of Ware. Filipowski and Clingan, admittedly, have not gotten much attention from me, but I know win now teams might want them ahead of Ware. I don’t actually know if I’d have Smith ahead of Ware, but Smith is getting top 20 love. Just seems like too many big guys that could go in the first round.

I’m going to have to watch more of these bigs and tier them, this class is ridiculously loaded with bigs.
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Outside of those guys,

Bona, Bradshaw, PJ Hall (I like him, low ceiling, mid/high floor), Mara are also in the second round. Mara is my least favorite of them, and he’s a name I’ve seen in the lotto in early mocks. Ivisic is someone Kentucky fans were really excited about but still hasn’t played due to eligibility issues—could he do the Kanter thing and declare this summer? Going to watch him and see if I would like him enough to gamble on him in the mid second round.
 
Ivisic - I've got no idea, like most. He's on my list as I start to get more serious about 2nd rounders.

Bradshaw isn't getting the Kentucky system is what I'm hearing. The athleticism hasn't returned, either. Likes to float the perimeter too much (like Sarr). I'm starting to see what other mocks see. We could probably hold off until the 2nd round. I like Missi a lot more.

Hall & Bona - Hall probably doesn't see the 2nd round. I like him enough to consider over Kwame Evans and Holmes if we get another 24' FRP for Brogdan. Bona could drop into the 2nd round, which I would jump all over. I don't believe he's being used correctly. He needs the Trayce Jackson-Davis treatment in the NBA, but because he can switch on the perimeter like a madman and play in drop coverage with a HIGH motor, I think he would be a steal in the early 2nd round. He's a late 1st talent at minimum.

Clingan - I'm out for now. There's some lower body concerns there.
 
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Ware - The talent and upside is there, of course. Personally, I don't want to add more low IQ, low motor guys that need outside motivation. We've already got one of those on a max deal at Center. He'll impress in some games to make you regret not taking him, but then it's back to your regularly scheduled program. Somebody will take him in the first, but I'm with you in that I've had him between 30-40 at different times.
 
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Ducks play Colorado (Cody Williams) tonight on FS1.
I am looking forward to watching him for a full game.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Ducks play Colorado (Cody Williams) tonight on FS1.
I am looking forward to watching him for a full game.
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Hasn’t he been injured? I’ve tuned into a couple Colorado games to watch him and he hasn’t been playing
 
MarinerDNA said:
No Ceilings had a special guest on their show - a former NBA executive - to discuss this year's draft. At the 1hr-1hr22min mark they discuss the mid 1st-2nd round rim runners that teams get every year and identify Missi as this year's bargain. I fully agree.

https://www.youtube.com/live/OXY-PpO6oNo?si=gf_Xx-DF0ML-ZAd4
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What he states is pretty much what I'm in line with and why I think Missi is quite interesting. Though, I'm not as down on Clingan, either, since I view him along the Vuvecic or Bogut type center that still has relevancy in today's game. Regardless, Missi is very much like Capella, who would do well running to the rim.

He doesn't have Sarr as #1, which I agree.

Sarr, I'm beginning to view more like Bargnani was to Dirk or Beasley was to KD. A talented player who gets hyped due to the most recent trend and who can get 18-22ppg but is missing something extra. Maybe I am wrong and he improves but I don't see anything special about him like I did with Wemby, Chet, or Ace Bailey....all of whom, are way more capable of shot creators with their thin and wiry frames.

He seems to have hinted at Cody Williams being #1. I also agree. Williams should be Portland's ideal target in the Top 5.

Shot creation abilities that will translate to the NBA simply because of his ball handling and body control.


Strong defensive plays, as well:


He'll be playing the Oregon Ducks tonight, if anyone wants to watch.
 
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