Game Thread 2025-26 GAME #23 - BLAZERS @ PISTONS - DECEMBER 5, 2025 - FRIDAY - 4:30 PM - KUNP - BLAZERVISION

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His play shows no improvement and no energy. And I've coached, scouted, worked as an educator and my father has a degree in psychology, so I have more of a background to be able to watch someone's play and demeanor and suggest he doesn't look like he likes playing basketball than you have trying to make the absurd comment that Murray is on a par with Toumani Camara.

Good lord. Are you Murray's mom?

Missed the game tonight. But I've noticed an improvement in Murray from this time last year till now. I've seen both Grant and Holiday make asinine back court turnovers in the clutch this season. And Kris certainly isn't the only one bricking 3s.
 
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I've been cheering for Kris all season...tonight he just blew it at a crucial point in the end game. It's the first time I've complained about his play but he seriously sucked the momentum out of the endgame and passed up some wide open 10 ft jumpers ...he'll bounce back
 
What’s sad is he does so many things really well but damn that shot is ugly, shoots with zero confidence
 
A good team does not rely on Kris Murray to score points. Saying we need to replace him with a better player is like... yeah, it's true, but useful in the same way saying "We should try being a good team instead!" is useful.
 
Watching the game now since I missed it live. A couple of things:

@THE HCP I really liked when all the Heads Up Display bullshit was not on screen at the beginning. It felt like being at the game, and you should do that more often, maybe for a stretch in the second quarter of something (I know you can't do it the whole game). It was immersive and really caught my attention.

Deni is a fucking dirty player and I love that. I saw him collide with a guy, shove him, then roll the other direction toward the ref, clutching his eye like he'd been blinded permanently. What an asshole. He needs to become one of the most hated players in the NBA. I want that for us. He's great. I love him.
 
I predicted 32 wins. How are we on our pace? Does that look reachable?
 
Missed the game tonight. But I've noticed an improvement in Murray from this time last year till now. I've seen both Grant and Holiday make asinine back court turnovers in the clutch this season. And Kris certainly isn't the only one bricking 3s.
Your argument that Murray is on a plane with Grant and Holiday is pretty interesting. I wonder if anyone else thinks that.

And what improvement do you think has Murray made from this time last year? Statistically, there's little if anything to support that, and that's even considering his numbers are so bad that it's almost impossible not to improve.
 
A good team does not rely on Kris Murray to score points. Saying we need to replace him with a better player is like... yeah, it's true, but useful in the same way saying "We should try being a good team instead!" is useful.
The problem with this is no one said anything about him scoring. It's that you need someone who doesn't act like someone set their hair on fire whenever they get the basketball. Literally, three of the five big mistakes he made right before fouling out, it was pointed out, had nothing to do with scoring.

IIRC, didn't we also get a shot clock violation in the last 5-6 minutes because Murray got caught dribbling about in and out of the paint on the camera-sidie of the floor without even looking to shoot or go at the basket? I don't think anyone mentioned that one yet.
 
I think it might just be me and you aboard the Murray train. Wanna drive or ride shotgun? Also we probably don't need a train, maybe just a covered wagon.
I'm not sure of my motivations at this point. It might be feeling sorry for him. It's like he's the shy, nervous kid that everyone wants to bully because of some pack-animal instinct, instead of the mouthy blowhard who really deserves it (hello Caleb). His +/- over this season is one of our worst, but he tries so hard. I'm always drawn to players who are unselfish and not out for scoring glory (hello again, Caleb), but even I have to admit that Kris is currently trending towards CJ Elleby territory. Just hit a few shots, Kris!

But there's a reason he keeps getting minutes (all right, besides the fact that there's almost nobody else - but at least he's ahead of Rupert) and that's because he's the kind of player that coaches love. You can bet he memorizes the plays.
 
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I predicted 32 wins. How are we on our pace? Does that look reachable?
"The team will probably play better this year and be competitive in more games but the record might be worse". 30 wins might be a stretch.

I think that was what a dude on here who says he has some knowledge said.
 
The problem with this is no one said anything about him scoring. It's that you need someone who doesn't act like someone set their hair on fire whenever they get the basketball. Literally, three of the five big mistakes he made right before fouling out, it was pointed out, had nothing to do with scoring.

IIRC, didn't we also get a shot clock violation in the last 5-6 minutes because Murray got caught dribbling about in and out of the paint on the camera-sidie of the floor without even looking to shoot or go at the basket? I don't think anyone mentioned that one yet.
Yes, he fucked up in the clutch. But he did more good things than bad over the course of the game.
 
I predicted 32 wins. How are we on our pace? Does that look reachable?

Easily. They've played either one of, or THE hardest schedule so far in the association, and they've missed a lot of the roster due to injuries. Going forward, they have among the, if not THE, easiest schedule going forward.
 
Yes, he fucked up in the clutch. But he did more good things than bad over the course of the game.
Really? What? Give some examples, please.

And you keep presenting this like my comment was about last night's game. Last night's game only served as an example of the kind of play Murray generally turns out. Last night's 4Q might have been one of the worst, but it wasn't that much of an outlier. The point I made was that this team needs to have a better forward in its rotation to progress, and that finding a forward who can be an upgrade on Murray shouldn't be that difficult.

You take any criticism of Murray far too personally for just a fan. One would get the impression you know him or his family somehow.
 
I know it seems like I'm crushing Murray, but a lot of that is people getting their panties in a wad and trying to take issue with my post and/or defend him and then me having to answer that.

If you think I'm an irrational Murray hater, go back to his draft night and the days immediately after. I thought he was great value where we got him. I saw him as a fundamentally-sound if athletically-limited player who would be pretty much plug and play because of his background and college experience.

During summer league, I posted something that this team would take a big step forward if Murray came back and was able to shoot maybe 33% from 3 and make a few more layups this year. I actually got heat for posting that I thought he was an overlooked player that could have a big impact on the team.

When Murray played well early in the season, I posted that I was thrilled about the development.

However, he's reverted to his norm since then. His numbers are amazingly consistent over all three of his years. I mean, it's uncanny. His stats are so similar in all three of his seasons. Even his minutes aren't that different.

But he still rushes his shot whether he has a defender in the vicinity or not. His shooting form is very unorthodox and the ball doesn't come close to going in so it's not a thing that he does because he's comfortable with it and good at it. He still dribbles around without purpose and doesn't even look at the basket, which is bad because the one area where he's clearly gotten better is going to the basket with authority on occasion and dunking quickly with two hands. If he doesn't dunk, though, he too often just throws something soft up.

He's not a shut-down defender. He can dribble the ball into the front court but he can't initiate the offense or act as a facilitator. He's not a guy who has great instincts moving without the ball and cuts for easy flushes. He's not a shooter. He's not a guy that draws fouls, gets to the line and gets a few points there. He's not a garbage scorer. He's not a pick-and-roll player in either role. He's not an energy guy. He's very low key. He looks very uncomfortable with the basketball. He gives you versatility in that he does a little bit of a lot of things, but it's hard to say he's average at any of them.

Can anyone say that's an unfair evaluation of his game?

I don't want to keep evaluating him because it comes off as bashing, more so because one poster in particular and a couple of others occasionally feel the need to stick up for him. I want Murray to succeed, because the fewer pieces we need to complete this puzzle, the better, but, being objective, I have to look at the facts that he's a 25-year-old who came from a basketball family and played several years at a top college program, his progress is stagnant, he doesn't appear to have fun out there and he still doesn't have an identity as a player. There aren't many examples of players with his numbers and that kind of background that have turned into solid rotation players for good teams. I'm just calling it as it is.
 
Easily. They've played either one of, or THE hardest schedule so far in the association, and they've missed a lot of the roster due to injuries. Going forward, they have among the, if not THE, easiest schedule going forward.
I’m starting to hope not.
Every week that passes shows they need a better draft pick. Sharpe is not going to be what many of us hoped. Scoot to this point is not what many were hoping for. Obviously Yang is years away from doing much. Clingan is slow and plodding.
They need to find a star.
Holiday and Lillard are obviously done being the go to players they used to be.
 
"The team will probably play better this year and be competitive in more games but the record might be worse". 30 wins might be a stretch.

I think that was what a dude on here who says he has some knowledge said.
Is that a quote from me? Seems about spot on huh?
 
Is that a quote from me? Seems about spot on huh?
It’s not an actual quote.
I was too lazy to go look up what you said so I could quote it.
I just re phrased it as I recall it was said.

But yes. I believe it was you… Or your wife?
 
I’m starting to hope not.
Every week that passes shows they need a better draft pick. Sharpe is not going to be what many of us hoped. Scoot to this point is not what many were hoping for. Obviously Yang is years away from doing much. Clingan is slow and plodding.
They need to find a star.
Holiday and Lillard are obviously done being the go to players they used to be.

Ill take overreacting for 1000 Ken.
Look at the stats for Jerami Grant when he was 22.

shaedon is 24 games into this season. Ffs.
Maybe, juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust maybe exhibit some patience?
 

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