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inconceivable said:
4 pm pacific? is it live live? or it's orerecorded behind closed doors and aired

I had a dream there was a mixed up, they read the cards wrong for the winner like steve harvey 2015 miss universe, they had ro remove the crown from the winner live on air
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not live-live. Results ahead of the show.
 
blazerkor said:
For those saying their money is on us ending up at 11, why the fuck is that? We have a whopping 63% chance of staying at 10, we have another 16.9% chance at moving up and for a total of 79.9% chance that we don't move back but you guys want to put money on us getting fucked over by moving back to 11 at 18.5%.

II'm keeping my fingers crossed that we get lucky and hit on that 16.9% that we move up but I'm expecting the most probable outdome of us staying at 10.
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Are you sure on your numbers?
 
lawai'a said:
i am here for all the trades baby
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I like him more than I liked Chandler Hutchison, but I have some of the same worries with Clifford. Has developed a lot and looks best when he's creating out of pick and roll and getting to his pull-up or post fade from mid range but I'm not sure he's talented enough to be used that way in the NBA. So just not sure how good he looks in a scaled down role.

Slow process as a shooter off to the catch. Fun passer but fairly turnover prone. Doesn't drive to get to rim mostly unless it's a big closing to him. Ball kinda slows him down and he'd rather pull up or turn his back to the defense.

Also don't like the he wasnt any good until he was almost 22 years old, much like Hutch.

Nique's more skilled with the ball in the half court though, better shooter and wasn't reliant on transition or driving to rim and getting fouled.
 
JDC said:
I like him more than I liked Chandler Hutchison, but I have some of the same worries with Clifford. Has developed a lot and looks best when he's creating out of pick and roll and getting to his pull-up or post fade from mid range but I'm not sure he's talented enough to be used that way in the NBA. So just not sure how good he looks in a scaled down role.

Slow process as a shooter off to the catch. Fun passer but fairly turnover prone. Doesn't drive to get to rim mostly unless it's a big closing to him. Ball kinda slows him down and he'd rather pull up or turn his back to the defense.

Also don't like the he wasnt any good until he was almost 22 years old, much like Hutch.

Nique's more skilled with the ball in the half court though, better shooter and wasn't reliant on transition or driving to rim and getting fouled.
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Great insights. Thanks for sharing. I think I like the 'idea' of Clifford better than him as a prospect. I think a Josh Hart type player is attainable for him.

Do you have thoughts on:
* Essengue
* Thiero
* Will Riley
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Great insights. Thanks for sharing. I think I like the 'idea' of Clifford better than him as a prospect. I think a Josh Hart type player is attainable for him.

Do you have thoughts on:
* Essengue
* Thiero
* Will Riley
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I've posted about Noa so just search those but definitely a fan. He's got some issues defensively with his positioning and he's a bit of a gambler but intrigued but the size, fluidity, age and production. Shot has really come on too. Totally cool with him if we don't move up.

I've liked Theiro since he was freshman and he's one of the best drivers and overall athletes in the class but his decision making, fouling on D and shooting keeps him as a late first guy for me. He's ahead of Fleming for me fwiw.

Riley is rhe guy of the three I've keyed in on the least, mainly because I thought he may return but if he keeps his name in I'll take a deeper look. He's got some interesting scoring and passing instincts at his size but the defense and frame at his age (old freshman) worry me.
 
JDC said:
Also don't like the he wasnt any good until he was almost 22 years old, much like Hutch.
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I tend to agree, younger prospects with the same skill set as an older prospect are much more desirable. But then every once in a while a Camara comes along.........
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
I tend to agree, younger prospects with the same skill set as an older prospect are much more desirable. But then every once in a while a Camara comes along.........
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Definitely some exceptions. Glad we got one of them.

Clifford posted a -2.7 OBPM as a 21 year old. He's gotten way better but every data point matters and that's historically bad for a draft prospect at that age.

By comparison, Toumani had a 1.2 OBPM and a higher usage rate.
 
Flagg will be living in Texas or NY. POR gets the shaft. Those are my predictions.
 
Cugel said:
Flagg will be living in Texas or NY. POR gets the shaft. Those are my predictions.
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If I had to make a prediction on Flagg... I wouldn't. Three teams have the exact same highest odds to land the first pick at 14%, one right after them at 13%. Those are extremely level odds so to predict one of those teams over another is hard but this still only represents 53% of the possibilities for the first pick. So, while if forced I would pick one of the top four teams over the field, it's still only slightly better than a coinflip, that it's not one specific team that gets the first pick and Flagg but one of four and then the other side of the coin which has only a little less weight is all 10 other teams.

Here's a prediction, I don't think with less than one percent a piece that Atlanta or Sacramento will end up with the first pick. Now watch me be wrong about that because that is the nature of variable-ratio reinforcement.

It's all about...
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No surprise measurements so far. Biggest one for me is probably VJ measuring out a little bigger than I thought he looked on tape.

Maybe McNeeley being taller than I thought too, but knew his frame/ long neck was going to hurt his standing reach measurement. Shorter reach by an inch compared to Kon despite being nearly 2 inches taller in shoes with a 2 inch longer wingspan.

Pretty much nailed Queen and Kon off eye test.
Thought Knueppel would measure very similarly to Dillon Brooks (thought slightly bigger) and that was nearly exactly the case.

Fleming is huge like I thought. Earl Clark would be my closest physical comp. Earl wasn't as long but had a similar standing reach and height without shoes.

Earl is a pretty good skill comp for Fleming as well to be honest. More like a modern version with more shooting but less talent with the ball as both a dribbler and passer.
 
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JDC said:
No surprise measurements so far. Biggest one for me is probably VJ measuring out a little bigger than I thought he looked on tape.

Maybe McNeeley being taller than I thought too, but knew his frame/ long neck was going to hurt his standing reach measurement. Shorter reach by an inch compared to Kon despite being nearly 2 inches taller in shoes with a 2 inch longer wingspan.

Pretty much nailed Queen and Kon off eye test.
Thought Knueppel would measure very similarly to Dillon Brooks (thought slightly bigger) and that was nearly exactly the case.

Fleming is huge like I thought. Earl Clark would be my closest physical comp. Earl wasn't as long but had a nearly standing reach and height without shoes.

Pretty good skill comp for Fleming as well to be honest. More like a modern version with more shooting but less talent with the ball as both a dribbler and passer.
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So Kon was only 6'5 barefoot with a 6'6 wing span? (That is what Dillon measured at)
What did VJ come in at?
Has Ace been measured?
 
I see Rutgers was being generous listing Ace at 6'10, (6'7 3/4) ) But he does have a 7' wing span (same wing span as Flagg)

Queen with pretty good standing reach.
a 6’9 ¼ barefoot, 247.8 lbs with a 7’0 ½" wingspan and 9’1 ½" standing reach
 
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