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Samuel said:
I love cedric coward, the tape looks great.

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he played 6 out of conference games before he got hurt this year.

last year his best game was against Portland Bible. Portland Bible!

no shade to cedric, he looks incredible and his interviews have been awesome. but there's a strength of schedule grain of kosher salt one should digest when considering him in the nba draft lottery.
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He looks fantastic but I've heard his ability to create is on the lower end. I'd be ecstatic to get him with a second pick in the first.
 
Samuel said:
I love cedric coward, the tape looks great.

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he played 6 out of conference games before he got hurt this year.

last year his best game was against Portland Bible. Portland Bible!

no shade to cedric, he looks incredible and his interviews have been awesome. but there's a strength of schedule grain of kosher salt one should digest when considering him in the nba draft lottery.
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Hey, former Trail Blazers great Lamont Strothers played Division III!
 
Sheldon Shape said:
He looks fantastic but I've heard his ability to create is on the lower end. I'd be ecstatic to get him with a second pick in the first.
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Much like Martell Webster.
Has the body. Has the shot. Has a good mentality.
May not have the on-ball skill to become anything other than a 3&D guy
 
JDC said:



Physical Comp: Kawhi Leonard
* Shorter but same demensions (3/4" shorter with a 3/4" shorter wingspan)
*Same standing reach
*Cedric has very big hands for his size but aren't as freakish as Kawhi's

Cedric Coward
Hand Length: 9.25"
Hand Width: 10.00"
Height w/o Shoes: 6' 5.25''
Wingspan: 7' 2.25''
Standing Reach: 8' 10''
Weight: 213lbs

Kawhi Leonard
Hand Length: 9.75"
Hand Width: 11.25"
Height w/o Shoes: 6' 6''
Wingspan: 7' 3"
Standing Reach: 8' 10''
Weight: 227.4lbs

Stylistic Comp: Timid Kawhi Leonard with better range on the jumper
Tends to blend in, but plays with similar footwork and balance. Likes to get to similar spots in similar ways. Like Kawhi, lacks the blow by speed and explosion at rim as a driver, but gets wins with length, strength, footwork and a high release. Not as developed as a ball handler or triple threat player as Kawhi was at same age, but might have had better mid range touch although Kawhi took a lot more tough 2's (Kawhi 156/429: 36.4%) (Cedric 51/87: 58.6%)
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A Timid Kawhi Leonard? Kawhi is so timid to start with. Not vocal, not a team leader, can be aggressive on his own, but a more timid version is a bit of a red flag it would seem.
 
TBpup said:
A Timid Kawhi Leonard? Kawhi is so timid to start with. Not vocal, not a team leader, can be aggressive on his own, but a more timid version is a bit of a red flag it would seem.
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Timid in reference to his play style. Less aggressive as an individual scorer especially.

He's quite the opposite personality wise.
 
Seeing some Maxime Raynaud hype going around after his combine showing.

Not seeing it personally.

I don't think his post-up or face up game is a thing in the NBA despite the touch. No physicality and just doesn't put the defense in compromising positions. When he went up against anybody with any sort of size or strength, he was forced into a lot of 10 plus foot hook shots that looked pretty ugly.

Teams will run at him because of the jumper, but even if he gets a full step by a guy, those face up drive opportunities aren't turning into as high quality shots as you'd want them to...slow and turnover prone with a very high dribble.

When you boil his game down into an NBA role I think he looks more like Quentin Post. But I think Quinton was both a better shooter w/ a quicker more versatile trigger and a better defender. And that's more to say I think Raynaud's defense is that bad and less about Post being any great shakes on that end.

The lack of physicality and explosion shows up on that end as well. Think his pick and roll decisions and overall paint maneuverability is very poor.

He's big, has good touch, fun passer, good rebounder...so if the shooting is real and he can hold up defensively he could carve out a role possibly, but I struggle to see the reasons to spend a first rounder on him.
 
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Didn’t Essengue light Portland up in pre-season last year? Keep an eye on him. I really think they’ll try to add some youngish vet, but if not, he checks a lot of boxes for our front office
 
Mediocre Man said:
Didn’t Essengue light Portland up in pre-season last year? Keep an eye on him. I really think they’ll try to add some youngish vet, but if not, he checks a lot of boxes for our front office
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Sounding like he's rising up the boards and won't be there passed 10.
 
HailBlazers said:
Sounding like he's rising up the boards and won't be there passed 10.
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I wouldn't say that. He's all over the draft board. I think he could legitimately be picked 7/8 or at 19/20.

Given he's still in Europe in the playoffs - he might not get a chance to do workouts with many (or any) teams. He might slip a little because of that
 
Just impressions, but it really feels like someone is going to fall big time, and someone will be chosen much earlier than most anticipate.

For example, Queen seems to be falling and Fears may be taken very early.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Just impressions, but it really feels like someone is going to fall big time, and someone will be chosen much earlier than most anticipate.

For example, Queen seems to be falling and Fears may be taken very early.
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I can't see Queen falling past Chi at 12. I hope Fears gets taken early.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Much like Martell Webster. Has the body. Has the shot. Has a good mentality. May not have the on-ball skill to become anything other than a 3&D guy
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Coward has about the same frame as Webster and like Martell he has a very nice jumper though with a quicker release. However, Cedric is on a whole different level athletically. He posted a 38.5" max vertical compared to Webster's 30.5" & his times in the various running/agility drills were similarly disparate bordering on elite. Heck, Coward's standing reach was measured an inch less then Camara's and he posted better athletic numbers. If his defense is thought to be as good as the numbers suggest his shooting is, he's a legit option

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Coward has about the same frame as Webster and like Martell he has a very nice jumper though with a quicker release. However, Cedric is on a whole different level athletically. He posted a 38.5" max vertical compared to Webster's 30.5" & his times in the various running/agility drills were similarly disparate bordering on elite. Heck, Coward's standing reach was measured an inch less then Camara's and he posted better athletic numbers. If his defense is thought to be as good as the numbers suggest his shooting is, he's a legit option

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That's the issue I see.
Coward's physical traits don't jump off the screen in live games (against reasonable competition). He floats a bunch. He doesn't make as big of an impact as he probably should given his body.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
The Coward hype, including the Kawhi comparisons, is giving me Patrick Williams flashbacks.
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I like Coward and never saw it in Pat Will for FWIW.

I think Coward is a better overall athlete, much more bankable shooter and a far better finisher. I also think positionally Cedric is more a true wing where as Pat had movement issues defensively that I thought would limit who he could guard and that has proven to be true in the NBA.

Like CJ mentioned and I've pointed out as well, they both tend to float in games which is frustrating for guys that are that physically impressive but Pat's prospect status rode on being young, big and looking comfortable getting into pull up jumpers that he wasn't efficient at...you were doing a whole lot of projection with him. On the other hand, Cedric is older but has also put more on tape that you can bank on being valuable at an NBA level imo.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Excluding star players , you know who excels in playoff games, high IQ players with relentless effort. I wouldn’t take a player at 11 that doesn’t meet those two requirements
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I wouldn't call him low IQ or low effort at all

The float comment on him is in regards to his aggressiveness as a scorer. He looks so good when he's in the post or getting to his 1-2 dribble pull-up, you wish he did it more.
 
JDC said:
I wouldn't call him low IQ or low effort at all

The float comment on him is in regards to his aggressiveness as a scorer. He looks so good when he's in the post or getting to his 1-2 dribble pull-up, you wish he did it more.
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The last two years of college ball he shot the 3 at 39% on 4.2 attempts per game. A big wing shooting that well from 3 with a quick high release just floating around on the perimeter spreads the defense out for teammates. Besides promoting efficient team play, it saves his energy for the other end where he also excels. I could see his coach preferring to use him this way vs spending his energy going one on one a bunch. Don't be surprised if he's gone before 11.

btw, love the little trivia that his grandfather was an Olympic gold medalist in the 4x4 400.

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Who knew Washington State had a secret NBA star on its roster. Shades of CJ Elleby!
 
STOMP said:
The last two years of college ball he shot the 3 at 39% on 4.2 attempts per game. A big wing shooting that well from 3 with a quick high release just floating around on the perimeter spreads the defense out for teammates. Besides promoting efficient team play, it saves his energy for the other end where he also excels. I could see his coach preferring to use him this way vs spending his energy going one on one a bunch. Don't be surprised if he's gone before 11.

btw, love the little trivia that his grandfather was an Olympic gold medalist in the 4x4 400.

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Agree with all of this, but unlike most 22 year olds, I watch him and think he can scale up his offensive role in the NBA and be more than largely an off ball player although he can still be a positive NBA player without that development.

I think the biggest thing with him is he needs to strengthen his hips and quads. Would help him play more athletically as a driver. He pops off the floor on assisted finishes around the rim and as a weakside shot blocker, but really struggled to apply that vertical athleticism off the dribble.

He has a lot of valgus knee motion when he loads up in these situations which makes it pretty clear there are some pretty big muscle imbalances going on.
 
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1 Eye Jack said:
Excluding star players , you know who excels in playoff games, high IQ players with relentless effort. I wouldn’t take a player at 11 that doesn’t meet those two requirements
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Agreed. 100%.

In the range of 11, that eliminates Queen, Newell, and CMB.

I think you are left with Kon, KJ, Essengue, Bryant, Clifford
 
JDC said:
He has a lot of valgus knee motion when he loads up in these situations which makes it pretty clear there are some pretty big muscle imbalances going on.
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I value the opinions of experts. If I'm an NBA owner I'm hiring top guys in physiology, orthopedics ect. who can help my staff best project whats what with for every player I'm considering adding. As a fan though and being a few bucks short of hiring such a team of experts, I'm not offering real opinions on how guys are put together and how that will play out as what do I know? Heck, bowlegged LBJ is Ironman.

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