35pts, 17rbs, 3ast, 2stl, 0to

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Your big move as a GM is to say that ZBO would be a nice expiring contract this year. The guy was and is a loser on a bloated contract. Let's not forget that instead of rejoining his teammates after a death in his family, Zach decided to stay in Portland and get lap dances while he teammates were trying to win a game.

Good riddance. I'm not sure I've ever disliked a Blazer player to the degree I loathe StatBO.

Yet he is an NBA allstar. That right now on this team would help a lot. NOt saying I would have kept him here this long, I wouldn't have jumped the gun and traded him at that time.

 

[RoyToy]

Yet he is an NBA allstar. That right now on this team would help a lot. NOt saying I would have kept him here this long, I wouldn't have jumped the gun and traded him at that time.

It's not like his trade value went up after the Blazers traded him.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It's not like his trade value went up after the Blazers traded him.

We've been without a backup PF since we traded him basically. I still can't fathom how we haven't addressed this.

 

[RoyToy]

We've been without a backup PF since we traded him basically. I still can't fathom how we haven't addressed this.

Frye and Outlaw were fine for 2 years.

Besides, paying Randolph to come off the bench...gross.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Frye and Outlaw were fine for 2 years.

Besides, paying Randolph to come off the bench...gross.

better than Frye and Outlaw. They were really not "fine" at all. They were horrible.

And he would have been PF and LMA center the last season and change anyways. actually most of the last 3 years since Oden had been hurt.

 

[PapaG]

better than Frye and Outlaw. They were really not "fine" at all. They were horrible.

And he would have been PF and LMA center the last season and change anyways. actually most of the last 3 years since Oden had been hurt.

I'm sure StatBO would have been thrilled coming off of the bench for 3 years. He was always a "team first" guy!

 

[RoyToy]

better than Frye and Outlaw. They were really not "fine" at all. They were horrible.

And he would have been PF and LMA center the last season and change anyways. actually most of the last 3 years since Oden had been hurt.

Frye and Outlaw were not terrible, especially Outlaw, and they made close to nothing.

Last season, sure. Once KP made the great trade for Camby...hell no. Besides, the years before that I'd still prefer Aldridge/Przybilla. I mean...they did win together after all. Also, with Outlaw they could play him at the 4 and Aldridge at the 5 late in games and it worked. They won 54 games doing that.

 

[PapaG]

Yet he is an NBA allstar. That right now on this team would help a lot. NOt saying I would have kept him here this long, I wouldn't have jumped the gun and traded him at that time.

I've already explained this to you, but Zach's best season by far statistically was 2005-06. Better than last year as an "All-Star", better than this year.

That team won 21 games with Zach putting up a career season. Good riddance.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yes. But he started passing more.

 

[Ed O]

I'm sure StatBO would have been thrilled coming off of the bench for 3 years. He was always a "team first" guy!

It would have been great to have him starting and Aldridge coming off the bench, playing both the 4 and 5 spots.

The Blazers probably would not have ended up paying Aldridge nearly as much as they did, also.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

FYI, that's around 2:30 to go in the 4th where he has that flurry (the link doesn't take you straight there).

Correct.

Also, I did the figuring wrong. The first of those three offensive boards were off of a Mayo miss, so that means 3 of his offensive boards overall were off his own misses, not four.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

ZBO workin' hard!

 

[RoyToy]

It would have been great to have him starting and Aldridge coming off the bench, playing both the 4 and 5 spots.

The Blazers probably would not have ended up paying Aldridge nearly as much as they did, also.

Ed O.

I'd rather pay Aldridge $4-5M to put up 18/8 over that time period than paying Randolph's huge salary to put up about 20/10 and not letting Roy control the offense.

Also, it's not like Aldridge is grossly overpaid. He's making $10M this season.

 

[Ed O]

I'd rather pay Aldridge $4-5M to put up 18/8 over that time period than paying Randolph's huge salary to put up about 20/10 and not letting Roy control the offense.

You're actually paying Francis, too, for much of that time. While settling for crap at the backup power forward spot. I'd definitely rather have taken my chances with talent rather than "chemistry".

Also, it's not like Aldridge is grossly overpaid. He's making $10M this season.

I'd rather him be making $8m, which would be easier to have done if he'd been a quality backup than a promising starter.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

You're actually paying Francis, too, for much of that time. While settling for crap at the backup power forward spot. I'd definitely rather have taken my chances with talent rather than "chemistry".

Ed O.

That would be a great plan if Randolph had shown any leadership skills and an ability to make teammates better. Instead, he was a mess off of the court, and the team was a mess on the court. The fact that both New York and the Clippers got rid of him quickly validates KP's trade, IMO. Now, Zach is on a team of lottery picks, puts up All-Star numbers, and still can't make the playoffs. This tells me he still isn't making his teammates better players.

 

[RoyToy]

You're actually paying Francis, too, for much of that time. While settling for crap at the backup power forward spot. I'd definitely rather have taken my chances with talent rather than "chemistry".

Frye/Outlaw the year after Randolph were traded were not "crap". They were actually very serviceable while making basically nothing.

Next year Frye was crap, but Outlaw once again had a nice season and the Blazers won 54 games with him playing the 4 late in games. Besides, with Aldridge averaging 35min a game there wouldn't have been much left for Randolph. The team had Oden and Przybilla and Aldridge/Outlaw and the 4/5 worked great. They didn't need a grossly overpaid backup PF.

I'd rather him be making $8m, which would be easier to have done if he'd been a quality backup than a promising starter.

That sounds like more of a wish than a realistic idea. I'm sure over that time Aldridge shows he's worth at least $10M a year as there was plenty of opportunities for him to play big minutes with Oden out and no Frye. In a very realistic scenario the Blazers would end up trading Randolph anyways because LaMarcus would have proven he's good enough to start while making like a 1/3 of what Randolph is. It'd be foolish to keep Randolph at that point.

ZBO had no long-term future with the Blazers. It's really that simple.

 

[KingSpeed]

You all have obviously forgot why we got rid of him. I do not miss watching him not run back on defense. I do not miss him jawing with the ref instead of covering his guy while he is down at the other end dunking. In fact if you go back and look at it, the only year Zbo made it to the playoffs is when Rasheed Wallace and Scottie Pippen were still on the team. He never took a team to the playoffs himself. .

Why do people like you say stuff like that? No one takes a team to the playoffs by himself. No one. Kobe couldn't do it in 2005. Wade couldn't do it in 2008. Can't be done. But get this- the last time the Blazers won 3 games in a playoff series, Zach Randolph was the leading scorer and rebounder in those three games. That's more than Roy or Aldridge can say.

 

[KingSpeed]

Typical ZBO/Love game. Monster individual stats, gives up as many as he scores, makes a critical defensive error, and his team loses the game to the worst team in the league.

Last night is Zach's career in a nutshell. Love is on the same career path so long as Minnesota thinks he is a franchise player.

Love would be great as a #3 option offensively on a title-contending team. He'd need to play with a great defensive center, though.

Dude. They lost because Evans hit a 60 footer at the buzzer. What about the game in which the Grizzles beat us this season? That doesn't exactly support your argument.

 

[KingSpeed]

There would be zero ball movement with Roy and Zbo on the same team. Both dont pass once they have the rock.

Are you fucking serious???? With the ball in Roy's hands in his second year, he averaged almost 6 assists per game. When you let Roy have the ball, he is terrific at creating for his teammates. What the fuck?

 

[KingSpeed]

Randolph has bounced around the league, from bad teams to a mediocre team, while being paid as a franchise player.

I'd have given him away for free if I was the GM. You can bitch about the past, but the actual facts show that the Blazers improved immediately without ZBO, while Zach has still yet to even sniff the playoffs as a starter.

I do agree about Miller being a third option, though. Had Hedo signed with Portland, I'd have been fine with KP being fired. What a disastrous move that was; thank goodness Hedo's wife didn't like Portland.

Zach Randolph is 3-1 in the playoffs as a starter and he was the leading scorer and rebounder. If Cheeks started him earlier, we would've won that series. And the Blazers improved (but failed to make the playoffs) in our first year without him because we had an improved experiences second year Roy. We probably would've made the playoffs that year if we had kept Zach. Especially since Oden was out for the year.

 

[KingSpeed]

I've already explained this to you, but Zach's best season by far statistically was 2005-06. Better than last year as an "All-Star", better than this year.

That team won 21 games with Zach putting up a career season. Good riddance.

That team only won 21 games because he had ZERO help. ZERO help. No player can do it by himself.

Zach Randolph= 3-1 in playoffs as starter (leading scorer and rebounder)

Good riddance??

 

[Natebishop3]

Eric,

There's this function that allows you to multi-quote in ONE post (rather than make five posts). You might want to check it out

 

[KingSpeed]

Eric,

There's this function that allows you to multi-quote in ONE post (rather than make five posts). You might want to check it out

I've seen it done but I don't know how to do it.

 

[PapaG]

That team only won 21 games because he had ZERO help. ZERO help. No player can do it by himself.

Zach Randolph= 3-1 in playoffs as starter (leading scorer and rebounder)

Good riddance??

Zach has a lot of help in Memphis, and the team has regressed since last season. He simply is a Stat Beast who would be a fantastic bench player, IMO.

 

[KingSpeed]

Zach has a lot of help in Memphis, and the team has regressed since last season. He simply is a Stat Beast who would be a fantastic bench player, IMO.

None of Zach's teammates are proven talents in this league. Not a single one. Give him Matthews, Miller, and Camby and the Grizz would make the playoffs.

 

[MickZagger]

Zach has a lot of help in Memphis, and the team has regressed since last season. He simply is a Stat Beast who would be a fantastic bench player, IMO.

You've fallen in love with using this whole "stat beast" label that you attach to players. Its quite amusing.

If you're playing in the NBA and you put up monster stats, it means you are a good player.

The bball IQ on that Memphis team in general is really low. I don't think Z-Bo is the problem. He might be part of the problem, but he's definitely their best player.

 

[MickZagger]

None of Zach's teammates are proven talents in this league. Not a single one. Give him Matthews, Miller, and Camby and the Grizz would make the playoffs.

Pretty much. Rudy Gay is a glorified Travis Outlaw.

 

[RoyToy]

None of Zach's teammates are proven talents in this league. Not a single one. Give him Matthews, Miller, and Camby and the Grizz would make the playoffs.

Gay and Mayo are more proven than Matthews at this point. Gasol has also proven he's a quality starting center as well. Also, if you think Matthews is a proven player in this league then you must think Conley is as well since both are having outbreak seasons.

Randolph has quality players around him. He's still losing, though.

 

[KingSpeed]

Gay and Mayo are more proven than Matthews at this point. Gasol has also proven he's a quality starting center as well. Also, if you think Matthews is a proven player in this league then you must think Conley is as well since both are having outbreak seasons.

Randolph has quality players around him. He's still losing, though.

Wrong. Wesley Matthews has reached the second round of the playoffs as a starting shooting guard. He is more proven than any of Randolph's current teammates.

 

[RoyToy]

Wrong. Wesley Matthews has reached the second round of the playoffs as a starting shooting guard. He is more proven than any of Randolph's current teammates.

So Matthews is more proven than Randolph?

Lol, I see what you're doing here. I won't fall for it.