He shoudn't be playing 5 minutes is the problem. Not when guys like Hayes and Miller are sucking ass and getting away with it.
Game Thread 4/29/17 Game 2 New York Rangers vs Ottawa Senators
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didnt say it's what I would do, saying it's what I'm expecting.
This team isn't built for Hayes and Miller to be invisible. I dont see the point in scratching them. If they aren't producing we're dead in the water anyway. Pirri and Matt fucking Puempel arent saving this team.
Yep Prod. You can't win in the playoffs without top 9 forwards producing and we haven't gotten nearly enough from guys like Hayes Miller Kreider Nash and Step. Step and Kreider a lot better today but it's fucking game 8
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That place up there is turning into more of a horror than the Bell Ctr is. We'll see what the deal is with them coming home and backs to the wall. My guess is it's 3-1 going back to Ottawa where they win and force Gm 6.
Missed the whole game as I had the grand kids all day at the park on a beautiful day. Just catching up now and checking the boxscore we lost a 2 goal lead with 3 and a half to go which is disgusting. I'm guessing we were playing the famous AV turtle shell again. Looking at ice times in game in double OT which is 80 plus minutes how is it possible Buch played 5:46 and Lindberg even less at 5:07? What the fuck did they do to earn that? And Skjei and smith got 6 and 8 minutes less than staal and fucking holden?? How is that possible. AV needs to go. Plays shorthanded 2 forwards the whole game that could have been a positive factor for us. Whoever watched the whole game could you relay what you saw with these 2 today? Unbelievable, I can't believe we're down 2 games to ottawa and we have to win 2 at home where we usually suck. Still doable but we made this a lot harder now. Crap. We should get to at least the ecf after beating montreal.
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Real truth of today, even though it is difficult to say and certainly cannot kill him, is Hank wasn't good enough.
If you said to me who is the one person I point at today, I say Hank.
Now I don't view it that way, it is a team game and MANY people are accountable for this disaster, but today # 1 was Hank. Should have stopped 2 or 3 of the goals he allowed, including the OT winner.
We didn't finish MANY chances today, but we scored 5 f'ing goals, that is more than enough. We can always nit pick who plays where and when they play, but we had a two goal lead with 3 minutes and change left. Hank has simply got to be better than he was today.
If you see some of the post game interviews I really get the vibe the team is crushed. No way they thought they'd lose today and be down 2-0, I never saw that coming against this team that I think we are simply better than. But here we are. I hope they can rebound, and I won't draw major conclusions from post game locker room interviews after an awful L, but it didn't make me feel like this is a group of players ready to turn the series around.
If you said to me who is the one person I point at today, I say Hank.
Now I don't view it that way, it is a team game and MANY people are accountable for this disaster, but today # 1 was Hank. Should have stopped 2 or 3 of the goals he allowed, including the OT winner.
We didn't finish MANY chances today, but we scored 5 f'ing goals, that is more than enough. We can always nit pick who plays where and when they play, but we had a two goal lead with 3 minutes and change left. Hank has simply got to be better than he was today.
If you see some of the post game interviews I really get the vibe the team is crushed. No way they thought they'd lose today and be down 2-0, I never saw that coming against this team that I think we are simply better than. But here we are. I hope they can rebound, and I won't draw major conclusions from post game locker room interviews after an awful L, but it didn't make me feel like this is a group of players ready to turn the series around.
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It is very easy to blame the coach, as if he's telling them go into a shell, don't try and score, but this is a team game. Every player and the coaches have to take responsibility. When you are up 2 goals with 3 and change left you win that game 98% of the time, so instead of blaming the coach blame everyone (AV included). How about Hank makes a big save today. How about we get another clear. How about Staal doesn't take an awful icing that led to their 3rd goal. On and on really.
Can't give up 2 goals in final 3:30. Can't lose a game when you score 5 goals especially when historically the Rangers struggle to score in playoffs.
This team is cooked I think and it's on a lot of people including Lundqvist today.
This team is cooked I think and it's on a lot of people including Lundqvist today.
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To me it is one thing to lose game 2 at Montreal when you are already up 1-0 in the series, and it was a 1 goal lead late. It is a whole other thing to blow multiple 2 goals leads, including one with 3 and change left, in a series you are trailing 1-0.
Same thing with the egg we laid in game 3 against Montreal. Obviously it was a terrible L, but we were still only down 2-1, that L made game 4 a must win. Now we are down 2 games. 78% of the time when a team goes up 2-0 they win the series. Add in the way we lost, and the talk in the locker room, and it is difficult to see a big turn around. I really don't see the comparison to the Montreal series games 2 and 3.
The one saving grace we have is I still think we are better than Ottawa, but at this point not sure it matters with how we are playing through 2 games.
Same thing with the egg we laid in game 3 against Montreal. Obviously it was a terrible L, but we were still only down 2-1, that L made game 4 a must win. Now we are down 2 games. 78% of the time when a team goes up 2-0 they win the series. Add in the way we lost, and the talk in the locker room, and it is difficult to see a big turn around. I really don't see the comparison to the Montreal series games 2 and 3.
The one saving grace we have is I still think we are better than Ottawa, but at this point not sure it matters with how we are playing through 2 games.
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You know what kind of sucks...I almost feel like the end of an era. We have had a lot of great hockey the past 5 years. Multiple long runs. Hank been our rock for over a decade. We have been very lucky as hockey fans. But we simply couldn't get over that hump. Now we are on the back side of the run.
I don't want to write everything off and say we are done for sure, you always hope, but it kind of feels like today was the ending of a good stretch for NYR fans.
I am sure Hank will still be good for another year or two, so not too worried about him, but he won't be a 60 game top level stud anymore. He will be a good human goalie now.
Gorton has to try and make bigger moves this summer. Time to break up this core more. He really couldn't do it last summer with no 1st rounder, two years left for Nash, too much of a penalty to buyout Girardi. He absolutely has to do it this summer. Everyone outside of McDonagh and Skjei should be available. Girardi has to be bought out. Nash could get moved with only 1 year left (although they may just let his last season play out here). Stepan should get dealt I think. Shatty should be signed to form a very formidable trio with McDonagh and Skjei. You look at Miller and Hayes and think what do you do with them. We will lose a solid player in the expansion draft. Everything has to be on the table I think.
That's what makes today even tougher, kind of feel like it is now truly the end of an era for us, and to a lesser extent Hank. And it is a double kick that our division is so deep, and now we have two young teams getting the 1 and 2 picks in the draft.
Sad day in some ways.
I don't want to write everything off and say we are done for sure, you always hope, but it kind of feels like today was the ending of a good stretch for NYR fans.
I am sure Hank will still be good for another year or two, so not too worried about him, but he won't be a 60 game top level stud anymore. He will be a good human goalie now.
Gorton has to try and make bigger moves this summer. Time to break up this core more. He really couldn't do it last summer with no 1st rounder, two years left for Nash, too much of a penalty to buyout Girardi. He absolutely has to do it this summer. Everyone outside of McDonagh and Skjei should be available. Girardi has to be bought out. Nash could get moved with only 1 year left (although they may just let his last season play out here). Stepan should get dealt I think. Shatty should be signed to form a very formidable trio with McDonagh and Skjei. You look at Miller and Hayes and think what do you do with them. We will lose a solid player in the expansion draft. Everything has to be on the table I think.
That's what makes today even tougher, kind of feel like it is now truly the end of an era for us, and to a lesser extent Hank. And it is a double kick that our division is so deep, and now we have two young teams getting the 1 and 2 picks in the draft.
Sad day in some ways.
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12 - ECF
13 - 2nd round
14 - SCF
15 - ECF
16 - 1st round
17 - 2nd round???
Pretty darn good run over the past 6 post-seasons (9 series wins). We should feel lucky we have had that type of stretch, even though we failed to win the Cup. It is time to break up the core a lot more this summer if we fall to Ottawa, but great run, especially considering what happened before 2012.
We do have youth upfront, and hopefully the 3 on D I mentioned above (hopefully Shatty is here...best bet is if the Caps lose to the Pens), so we may still have some window left if Gorton can make the right changes this summer.
But I kind of feel empty and like today was some sort of sad closure.
13 - 2nd round
14 - SCF
15 - ECF
16 - 1st round
17 - 2nd round???
Pretty darn good run over the past 6 post-seasons (9 series wins). We should feel lucky we have had that type of stretch, even though we failed to win the Cup. It is time to break up the core a lot more this summer if we fall to Ottawa, but great run, especially considering what happened before 2012.
We do have youth upfront, and hopefully the 3 on D I mentioned above (hopefully Shatty is here...best bet is if the Caps lose to the Pens), so we may still have some window left if Gorton can make the right changes this summer.
But I kind of feel empty and like today was some sort of sad closure.
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Jeez Chuck let's save the eulogies for after the death. There's a game Tuesday and there's NO CHANCE the guys in the room see their season as already over. They won two in a row, we can win two in a row.
Not ready to throw in the towel quite yet cause ottawa just not that good. I do think we need to win both at home and then were back in it. Only a split and it probably ends in ottawa in 5. We'll see tuesday and thursday if theres any fight in them left.
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Next 2 games are must win
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Not sure who Chuck is, but as I said you watch and root and hope. You take it one game at a time and win game 3 and then go into game 4 with a chance to tie the series. Both games are must wins I believe. But that doesn't change the fact that we have played like a pile of crap for two games (against a team that I agree with you we are clearly better than). And we have played pretty crappy for a long time outside of the Montreal series.
No doubt we come home and regroup mentally, and hope we raise our game. As we have both mentioned 223, Ottawa is not a team we should be down 2-0 to. We are the better team. But the lazy mistake filled hockey we have seen for two games is simply not close to good enough.
Can we win 4 of the next 5...sure because Ottawa is not a great team at all. And we can all watch and root, but that doesn't stop us from also looking at this run we have had the past 6 postseasons and feeling nostalgic as it might be coming to a close with this main core.
No doubt we come home and regroup mentally, and hope we raise our game. As we have both mentioned 223, Ottawa is not a team we should be down 2-0 to. We are the better team. But the lazy mistake filled hockey we have seen for two games is simply not close to good enough.
Can we win 4 of the next 5...sure because Ottawa is not a great team at all. And we can all watch and root, but that doesn't stop us from also looking at this run we have had the past 6 postseasons and feeling nostalgic as it might be coming to a close with this main core.
Rangers were down 3-1 a couple years ago to teams better than this Ottawa team (Pitt and Wash) so we should see how these games at MSG play out but with the state of defense play of Holden Girardi and Staal combined with morons Miller Hayes Kreider and Stepan it's hard to stay positive. Losing a game scoring 5 goals when you had a 2 goal lead three fucking times is close to putting the nail in the coffin. I agree w RangerFan if that happens you make big changes and I'd consider Sutter too.
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It ain't over until it's over, need to win game 3 and go from there. Plenty of blame to go around but ultimately the coach is in charge of the players so AV is as liable as any player. Calls have gone against the Rangers as long as I've been watching hockey but the lack of discipline today again falls on the coach, players taking stupid penalties need to miss a shift or two. Big game 3 ahead, time for the coach to get to work.
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They absolutely were Disturbed. But you pointed out some big differences that I agree with.
Plus I am not sure Hank has played a game like today in the playoffs before. Sure he had games where he played poorly and was pulled, but a lot of that was terrible D. Today he let in 2 or 3 really bad goals. Goals 1 and 6 were not good. Not writing that to be critical of Hank because he has been our god for 10 + years, but today his play was what it was.
And then you add in Holden, Staal and the forwards who don't finish and play stupid hockey way too often.
That Staal/Holden pair is a mistake waiting to happen. The 3rd goal today was Staal with a ridiculously stupid needless icing that led to the face-off which led to the goal with Holden standing around. Same with the 4th goal.
And I will get on AV here as well. Why did Lindberg and Buch get benched and play 5 minutes each in a double OT game? And someone really needs to explain to me why Skjei and Smith played way less than Staal and Holden. That puzzles me as well.
This is the worst playoff L I could remember in this stretch. Not the worst we have played per se, but the worst way we have lost I think, in a game that was pretty darn huge given the %'s when teams fall down 2-0.
There is no giving up though. They'll play the games. We'll hope and root like heck we wake up. We either will play a strong game and get back into the series Tuesday night, or we'll be totally crushed by this L and get beaten down and then the season would essentially be over. I hope for the former, but at this point it's a coin flip which team we'll get Tuesday night. Because I 100% expected us to play big today. And while we didn't do that and continued to be sloppy and undisciplined, we did what we needed to do to even the series going home, and then we fell apart in the last 4 minutes.
Plus I am not sure Hank has played a game like today in the playoffs before. Sure he had games where he played poorly and was pulled, but a lot of that was terrible D. Today he let in 2 or 3 really bad goals. Goals 1 and 6 were not good. Not writing that to be critical of Hank because he has been our god for 10 + years, but today his play was what it was.
And then you add in Holden, Staal and the forwards who don't finish and play stupid hockey way too often.
That Staal/Holden pair is a mistake waiting to happen. The 3rd goal today was Staal with a ridiculously stupid needless icing that led to the face-off which led to the goal with Holden standing around. Same with the 4th goal.
And I will get on AV here as well. Why did Lindberg and Buch get benched and play 5 minutes each in a double OT game? And someone really needs to explain to me why Skjei and Smith played way less than Staal and Holden. That puzzles me as well.
This is the worst playoff L I could remember in this stretch. Not the worst we have played per se, but the worst way we have lost I think, in a game that was pretty darn huge given the %'s when teams fall down 2-0.
There is no giving up though. They'll play the games. We'll hope and root like heck we wake up. We either will play a strong game and get back into the series Tuesday night, or we'll be totally crushed by this L and get beaten down and then the season would essentially be over. I hope for the former, but at this point it's a coin flip which team we'll get Tuesday night. Because I 100% expected us to play big today. And while we didn't do that and continued to be sloppy and undisciplined, we did what we needed to do to even the series going home, and then we fell apart in the last 4 minutes.
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I think it is all of the above. Coaches and players. I don't put it anymore on the coaches than I do the players. Pass it all around. The coaches weren't on ice when we had a 5-3 lead with 3 and change left in the game. Was it great coaching that got us to that point with a 98% chance to win the game at that point? Give me a 5-3 lead with 3 and change left every game and I'll sign for it right now.
Pass the blame all around I think.
Pass the blame all around I think.
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How about Washington? Heading to Pittsburgh down 0-2 and looking completely overmatched. Another President's Trophy going nowhere.
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You got to be fucking kidding me. You have a two-goal lead multiple times and you blow it to the pussy ass senators. I don't care what anybody says Hank fucking blows big games. The fucking prospect pool suck ass tonight too. Should've traded Fuckin Hayes Zibanejad, not Brassard
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Yeah, well this was an unexpected result. Like I seriously believed in AV coached team and this core. Managing to screw it up somehow when it matters the most. The thing with Hank is he can steal one maybe two series but then implode like the rest of them because he checks out mentally like the rest of the bozos.
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I am not surprised at all. The caps are a regular season team and always have been with Ovie.
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It was a terrible loss no doubt. I don't get what some fans get out of running every aspect of the team into the ground. Everything is so horrible but this team is in the second round of the playoffs for the fifth time in the last six years. Unfortunately, for some but even in the run to the finals there was more constant complaining than enjoyment.
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Holtby hasn't been great even against Toronto. They're talented but can't score with Pittsburgh. The blue print to beat them I think was set a while ago. It's amazing but how Ovi plays hurts them I think. I don't understand why they constantly have him at the point taking 50 foot shots.
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