Game Thread 4/16/17 Game 3 Montreal Canadiens vs New York Rangers

[theProdigy223]

That's ok, everyone is free to jump ship. More room for me

 

[Ranger71]

Pretty much do or die Tuesday. We'll see.

 

[Rangers94]

Well there's two guys named Crosby and Malkin who are pretty good to have.

And they both played like crap when Bylsma was there with his system. Sullivan changed up the system and gameplan, balanced offense with defense and BAM. Winning. Think back to AV's first season here. He BALANCED offensive zone play with defensive zone play. Since then it's been all offensive zone play focus and the defensive zone play has suffered TREMENDOUSLY for that.

 

[Messiah717]

It does not matter who they are going to bring in. It starts with that idiot behind the bench. How many times can this be said. This system sucks ass. It has run its course.

Just like Tort's system and so on. How many times do you change coaches before you question something else?

 

[RangersFan]

I hate to disagree with you guys Disturbed and 717, but this is no carryover from game 2 I don't believe, this is what we do at home. Saying carryover from game 2 dismisses the fact that this is the identical game to the TB and Pens games.

When the game was still a game we had 14 or 15 shots. Now we get a few cheap shots and a goal late that distracts from the overall BS effort. We all saw how this game went for 56 minutes when it mattered.

The ONLY positive is maybe a good finish in garbage doesn't matter time will wake this team up for game 4.

And now they play with desperation.

 

[Messiah717]

And they both played like crap when Bylsma was there with his system. Sullivan changed up the system and gameplan, balanced offense with defense and BAM. Winning. Think back to AV's first season here. He BALANCED offensive zone play with defensive zone play. Since then it's been all offensive zone play focus and the defensive zone play has suffered TREMENDOUSLY for that.

They also retooled the roster and added guys like Kessel and now a kid like Guentzel who had the hat trick tonight. This team handed out huge contracts to everybody which was silly.

 

[Ranger71]

Maybe they should try the white jerseys so they can fool themselves that they're on the road.

 

[RangersFan]

There is a game 4 to play. If the Rangers win it obviously the series is anyone's to win. Hard to believe the Rangers can win that game given the passionless shit we saw tonight, but a win in game 4 and it is a wide open series.

Only positive I can draw is maybe they get some life for game 4 from the meaningless little push that we had at the end.

0-6 outscored 21-4 last 6 home playoff games...awesome stuff.

 

[Disturbed]

I hate to disagree with you guys Disturbed and 717, but this is no carryover from game 2 I don't believe, this is what we do at home. Saying carryover from game 2 dismisses the fact that this is the identical game to the TB and Pens games.

When the game was still a game we had 14 or 15 shots. Now we get a few cheap shots and a goal late that distracts from the overall BS effort. We all saw how this game went for 56 minutes when it mattered.

The ONLY positive is maybe a good finish in garbage doesn't matter time will wake this team up for game 4.

And now they play with desperation.

I don't think this has anything to do with G2. Team plays with no urgency at home in the playoffs and its a joke. Same would be true if they were up 2-0 in the series.

Great hit by Klein, where was that in the 1st period to set the tone.

 

[RangersFan]

Who cares about the Pens. They have Crosby, Malkin and Kessel. We don't have players like that. But Sullivan deserves credit also. Team went a long time between cups until Sullivan came on board, so he deserves credit as well. Doesn't mean he would fit here...who knows.

 

[Rangers94]

They also retooled the roster and added guys like Kessel and now a kid like Guentzel who had the hat trick tonight. This team handed out huge contracts to everybody which was silly.

You don't think the coach has something to do with personnel signed? Sullivan wanted certain guys and got them as did AV. Difference is Sullivan has made those guys work in his system and they've bought in (which is easier when you have star players like Crosby buying in too) whereas AV seems to have guys who are able to coast and not need worry about losing play time and don't all buy into the whole team first idea.

 

[Disturbed]

Love Roenick ripping this team. Absolutely right. Gutless effort

 

[Ranger71]

Montreal is playing a shell game now which the Rangers will have to navigate around.

 

[Rangers94]

Who cares about the Pens. They have Crosby, Malkin and Kessel. We don't have players like that. But Sullivan deserves credit also. Team went a long time between cups until Sullivan came on board, so he deserves credit as well. Doesn't mean he would fit here...who knows.

I bring him up because so often people say "well who do you want to be the next coach" when it's not our job to figure that out. It's the lackluster front office's job to do so. AV balanced this team his first year here and that was why we were so successful and good. Since then we have been a single minded team and we have gotten worse playoff performances since. Sullivan has done a WONDERFUL job with a talented team that was floundering.

 

[Disturbed]

I bring him up because so often people say "well who do you want to be the next coach" when it's not our job to figure that out. It's the lackluster front office's job to do so. AV balanced this team his first year here and that was why we were so successful and good. Since then we have been a single minded team and we have gotten worse playoff performances since. Sullivan has done a WONDERFUL job with a talented team that was floundering.

How's Torts doing this year in the playoffs?

 

[Messiah717]

You don't think the coach has something to do with personnel signed? Sullivan wanted certain guys and got them as did AV. Difference is Sullivan has made those guys work in his system and they've bought in (which is easier when you have star players like Crosby buying in too) whereas AV seems to have guys who are able to coast and not need worry about losing play time and don't all buy into the whole team first idea.

What I'm saying is when you can start with the two best players in the sport you're in a pretty good spot. Sure Sullivan deserves credit but I mentioned last year what a huge move Kessel was for that team. That said when you can have Crosby and Malkin centering your first two lines and making everyone around them better it's a heck of a team to try and beat at this point.

 

[RangersFan]

Couldn't agree more Disturbed. You used the exact word...urgency. When you watch playoff games the home team comes out crazy, especially in their first home game, and we never do anymore...never. Even CBJ came out flying tonight. We were flat and lifeless from the drop of the puck. I knew it would be trouble when they had nothing early. It was an awful sign.

As for AV, I have been on his side, but truth be told if we don't show again in game 4 and get whipped in 5 for the 2nd straight season, hard not to think we need to make a change this summer...coach and some players.

Lose a hard fought game, okay. But to no show at home over and over again and have essentially 15 shots all game when it was still a game and 0 goals again cannot be tolerated anymore.

 

[theProdigy223]

Tuesday night is going to tell us a lot about this team. Not just for this playoff season but for the team and coaching staff in general. This is three years in a row going back to the Tampa series in 15 where they are getting embarrassed at home. Where is the pride? The effort? If we see this same story again Tuesday, not only is the season over but Gorton is going to have some real work to do.

Win Tuesday, erase these MSG demons and we're still fine.

 

[RangersFan]

I don't know, I watch a lot of playoff hockey. Hard for me to point out more pathetic efforts than our last 6 home playoff games. At the very least those are 6 of the top 10 worst efforts over the past 3 playoff seasons I think.

 

[Ranger71]

They came out well but when you miss a few chances early and then nothing on the 1st few pp's let MTL get their feet. Not to mention the dumb penalties.

 

[Disturbed]

Couldn't agree more Disturbed. You used the exact word...urgency. When you watch playoff games the home team comes out crazy, especially in their first home game, and we never do anymore...never. Even CBJ came out flying tonight. We were flat and lifeless from the drop of the puck. I knew it would be trouble when they had nothing early. It was an awful sign.

As for AV, I have been on his side, but truth be told if we don't show again in game 4 and get whipped in 5 for the 2nd straight season, hard not to think we need to make a change this summer...coach and some players.

Lose a hard fought game, okay. But to no show at home over and over again and have essentially 15 shots all game when it was still a game and 0 goals again cannot be tolerated anymore.

Yep. And I like AV overall but losses like this I also think is on the coach and his staff.

Zuc and Hank were the only ones that played with any effort tonight in a game where the winner goes up 2-1. That is mind boggling.

 

[Messiah717]

Yup, game four is a home game they have to win. If they don't come out on fire and you see a similar effort I'll board with the fact that a lot needs to change.

 

[Ranger71]

I'm predicting we'll see a game 6 down 3-2 needing to win at MSG.

 

[RangersFan]

I agree with everything you wrote 223. That's the bottom line. If we no show again in game 4 I think Gorton has to do everything in his power to make big changes here. He couldn't do it last summer, but he can now with Nash down to 1 year left, a Girardi buyout making sense now, and Shatty hopefully wanting to be a Ranger. Maybe somehow they can move Stepan also.

With all that being said, a W in game 4 and this is a coin flip series. Hard to see us winning that game right now though...but we'll see.

 

[RangersFan]

I guess we watched a different start 71. To me they came out flat as a pancake.

 

[Disturbed]

I guess big picture only down 2-1 but after efforts like that its really hard envisioning this team winning a playoff series even against a team that isn't great in Montreal.

When a dog like Radulov is outworking every Ranger on the ice you have no shot of winning a game let alone a series

 

[Ranger71]

I don't know, i mean CK almost had a tip in and Lindberg hits a post. Who knows where it goes if they go up 1-0. After that i agree it was downhill. PP PP PP.

 

[RangersFan]

I think it is destined to be back here for game 6 also, but knowing us we'll no show game 4 and win game 5 to get there. I really want no part of a game 7 in Montreal, but of course would sign for that right now given the crap we just watched.

BTW...you have to think Price is thinking really...it was that easy...wow.

 

[Rangers94]

I guess we watched a different start 71. To me they came out flat as a pancake.

They looked good for the first few minutes with Kreiders chance and Lindbergs. After that, it was all one sided

 

[Messiah717]

I think it is destined to be back here for game 6 also, but knowing us we'll no show game 4 and win game 5 to get there. I really want no part of a game 7 in Montreal, but of course would sign for that right now given the crap we just watched.

BTW...you have to think Price is thinking really...it was that easy...wow.

That's the worst part. They are afraid to breath on him meanwhile the Habs are all over Hank in the crease.