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SharpesTriumph said:
Really if Joe is so eager to blow the cap like this it probably doesn't matter what this franchise does as well just be in a cycle of repeating 2016 free agency with Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe type deals perpetually clogging our cap.

Who was the Blazers main salary cap expert back in 2016?
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He already has! After drafting with their lottery picks, the Blazers are projected to be $9M+ into the luxury tax (give or take a couple million depending on where their pick ends up).
 
riverman said:
Ant is the guy who needs to move on...he's had 6 years here and during his tenure we've spiraled downward. Disappears in the first half of games and goes full tilt ISO in the 4th qtr. He's making a chunk of the salary cap and Banton to me not only replaces him on the cheap but plays defense and rebounds. Sounded to me like Ant doesn't like the weather in Portland. Read that he blames injuries on lack of sunshine in Portland....Florida guy. Nas and Dame were his best friends on the team...he's the last of thee Olshey era....trade him now and get a 3 and D tall young player and draft capital for him. Trading Grant means you want to be worse and let Murray and Walker play his minutes. Also frees a bunch of cap space. Thybulle and Grant could be traded together as they are supposed to be best friends on the team...let them move on together. Should get you a core starter in return. Brogdan sounded like he's gone and he could play for a contender next season. Of all the vets to keep, Brogdan is probably the best mentor for the young guys. ..Williams I have no clue about but you'd be selling low on him. If he can play a season he's a great backup 5 behind Ayton. Ayton I want to be our center for a decade. Moses Brown and Badji will probably be Remix players next season
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Banton plays defense? The guy who went 0 for 15 from 3 in a single game and is a career 29% 3pt shooter replaces Ant?

This team can't shoot as it is...
 
BonesJones said:
Banton plays defense? The guy who went 0 for 15 from 3 in a single game and is a career 29% 3pt shooter replaces Ant?

This team can't shoot as it is...
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He's way more consistent on both sides of the ball than Ant and rebounds. The guy had one bad shooting game for us...Ant had a few...Banton also plays all 4 qtrs on the court and Ant goes ISO in the 4th....I'll take Banton next to Scoot over Ant and next to Sharpe as well....purge the Olshey era once and for all. Ant doesn't want to be here from what I see in his body language. You want cap space...you can shed a lot of it with an Ant trade
 
BonesJones said:
Banton plays defense? The guy who went 0 for 15 from 3 in a single game and is a career 29% 3pt shooter replaces Ant?

This team can't shoot as it is...
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Bari, Murray, Camara and Rupert all know that 3pt shooting is the priority over the off season. Hopefully we replace Ant with a scorer....only a bigger one. Ayton can score, Reath and Grant can scor...Sharpe can score and it looks like Scoot will be able to improve his shot if he keeps it up.
 
The 4 vets mentioned absolutely do not "have to go", but should be shopped.... but not aggressively.

The one's in the "have to go" category are more like.... Moses, Jody, Billups.

Note: we have FOUR draft picks this year. Who's actually gonna go is a more interesting question. Again, obviously Moses can't be saved (see what I did there :) ).
 
Wizard Mentor said:
The 4 vets mentioned absolutely do not "have to go", but should be shopped.... but not aggressively.

The one's in the "have to go" category are more like.... Moses, Jody, Billups.

Note: we have FOUR draft picks this year. Who's actually gonna go is a more interesting question. Again, obviously Moses can't be saved (see what I did there :) ).
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Even if the Blazers lose SOME value on these players, they could recoup it by getting so far under the cap that they can take players with bloated contracts attached to draft picks for their troubles. They shouldn't be so short sighted.
 
riverman said:
The thing about being this bad is you have a lot to look forward to
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Being a bottom 3 team in the 2025 draft is more important than getting an additional pick for a guy like Grant, Ant or Brogdon.

Check Dejounte Murray being traded by the Spurs and turning his loss into three 1st round picks and the opportunity to pick Wemby.
 
BonesJones said:
He already has! After drafting with their lottery picks, the Blazers are projected to be $9M+ into the luxury tax (give or take a couple million depending on where their pick ends up).
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the Blazers "rebuild" looks more like the Hawks on paper, then it does the Spurs, Wizards, etc etc

Atlanta, a former playoff contender and ECF team, tweaked roster, a couple new starters. New coaching staff. Max salary contracts. --- ATL beat a bunch more teams then Portland. Folks in Atlanta got to watch somewhat decent basketball, and Hawks fans have an exciting play-in game this afternoon.

Portland, a former playoff contender and WCF team, tweaked roster, a couple new starters. Same/New coaching staff. Max salary players. --- POR had a difficult time beating anyone. Folks in Portland got blasted with embarrasing losses. Blazers fell off the cliff, and landed in the draft pick safety net.

The only saving grace is the Wizards might be worse then Portland, which will be used at nauseum until the Blazers can improve in the standings.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
The 4 vets mentioned absolutely do not "have to go", but should be shopped.... but not aggressively.

The one's in the "have to go" category are more like.... Moses, Jody, Billups.

Note: we have FOUR draft picks this year. Who's actually gonna go is a more interesting question. Again, obviously Moses can't be saved (see what I did there :) ).
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If I see Moses on any NBA roster next year I will be shocked!
 
Wizard Mentor said:
The 4 vets mentioned absolutely do not "have to go", but should be shopped.... but not aggressively.

The one's in the "have to go" category are more like.... Moses, Jody, Billups.

Note: we have FOUR draft picks this year. Who's actually gonna go is a more interesting question. Again, obviously Moses can't be saved (see what I did there :) ).
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Brogdon has to go. He's in the last year of his contract. His value isn't going to go up.

Timelord should also go. If he's healthy and someone will take him, dump him. It's much too risky to roll the dice again that he'll stay healthy.
 
riverman said:
He's way more consistent on both sides of the ball than Ant and rebounds. The guy had one bad shooting game for us...Ant had a few...Banton also plays all 4 qtrs on the court and Ant goes ISO in the 4th....I'll take Banton next to Scoot over Ant and next to Sharpe as well....purge the Olshey era once and for all. Ant doesn't want to be here from what I see in his body language. You want cap space...you can shed a lot of it with an Ant trade
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Banton had more than one bad shooting night.
5-13 at Charlotte for 12 points, 5-19 for 12 points in Miami, 5-19 for 14 points against Denver, 6-20 for 16 points against NY, 7-20 for 18 points at Minnesota, 5-14 for 12 points against New Orleans.
 
riverman said:
I've been saying that about Ant for 3 seasons now....I'll take Banton's future all day over Ant returning and being mr 4th qtr ISO guy
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It seems like anyone who can create their own shot for the Blazers....is Mr. ISO in the eyes of Blazer fans.
BRoy, Dame, CJ....this year it has been Grant, Brogdon, and Ant. The 76-77 Blazers are not walking through any door. You don't want a steady dose of it, but you still need players who can create their own shot.

His rebounds, assists, and points all increased this year. Unfortunately so did his TOs which is why I prefer him at SG.
But I certainly don't mind having a guy who shoots 92% from the line on the floor at the end of games.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I agree that Simons and Thybulle need to go. Grant may need to go depending on the draft and/or the return for Simons, but at present, I don't think his presence is necessarily hindering the rebuild. Brogdon has value to this team, and I'd be down with him sticking around as a backup and mentor to Scoot/Sharpe.
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my exact sentiments.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Trade Shaedon, keep Simons.

Sharpe will be in a contract year, the Blazers will pay him based on potential vs on what he's actually done. That can severely limit us in our rebuilding

Simons, while not perfect, puts up solid stats. His 3pt shooting will help take pressure off of Scoot.

Having 2 players that can run the pick and roll will help Ayton and space the floor better.
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Bad bad bad baaaad dog!!! I have three Sharpe jerseys!!!
 
blazerfan11 said:
Banton had more than one bad shooting night.
5-13 at Charlotte for 12 points, 5-19 for 12 points in Miami, 5-19 for 14 points against Denver, 6-20 for 16 points against NY, 7-20 for 18 points at Minnesota, 5-14 for 12 points against New Orleans.
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those weren't efficient shooting nights for him but I consider bad nights shooting 0-10 like Klay did his last game or the last game against the Kings not so much inefficient double digit scoring. All in all he's stepped up and gotten 20+ and 30 one game and this is a guy just getting his feet wet as a Blazer...Ant's been here for going on 7 years. Single digit scoring is a bad shooting night to me....I think Ant scored 6 pts in one game. At any rate...bang for the buck, I take Banton moving ahead over Ant all day long...and not just for shooting or creating his shot. His all around game to me is more valuable than another CJ McCollum undersized shooter. Joe said they want to find scoring so Ant can be replaced hopefully with a taller two way 3 and D guy.
 
Banton is a great guy to run a 2nd unit in this league. He's not starter material until he drastically improves his shooting...
 
Agree with all but Simons. He's not hurting a rebuild, his contract is reasonable, if Scoot takes off we can trade Simons next year. RW3 is also dead weight, I've seen enough of Kris Murray as well.
 
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