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I just saw on my elevator that 400 thousand illegal immigrants were deported last year and 55% of them were convicted criminals. Discuss.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I just saw on my elevator that 400 thousand illegal immigrants were deported last year and 55% of them were convicted criminals. Discuss.
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They were just commiting the crimes that Americans won't commit.
 
This dvd just came out today. Was considering renting it:

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ABM said:
This dvd just came out today. Was considering renting it:

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This is a perfect example of the propaganda being stuffed down your collective gullett. Every time they point to the top half of one percent..the UCLA qualified geniuos...the tear jerking story of a loving father. What a bunch of Bull, report on the rest of them. Lets hear about the guys that establish gangs in every city they can. commit a large percentage of the crimes in an area, siphon of our monitary resorces and scoff at our laws.

Grrr, Just a part of what is wrong in this country right now. Its no wonder we have dummies occuping towns ranting about big business, that do not realize that business has zero power without the political maching being greased. Fuck it hang the lobbiests, scare congress and the house, they are the crooks. But no...they want a bank to forgive their loans..

And we sit back and watch the president campain for his next term while he should be focused on his job..
 
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its like that movie "A day without a mexican", where they all disappeared and the society collapsed. Well there was a day a few years ago here in LA where they all went on "strike" for a day for immigrants rights. The end result: a lot less traffic on the freeway.

:ghoti:
 
DaLincolnJones said:
This is a perfect example of the propaganda being stuffed down your collective gullett. Every time they point to the top half of one percent..the UCLA qualified geniuos...the tear jerking story of a loving father. What a bunch of Bull, report on the rest of them. Lets hear about the guys that establish gangs in every city they can. commit a large percentage of the crimes in an area, siphon of our monitary resorces and scoff at our laws.

Grrr, Just a part of what is wrong in this country right now. Its no wonder we have dummies occuping towns ranting about big business, that do not realize that business has zero power without the political maching being greased. Fuck it hang the lobbiests, scare congress and the house, they are the crooks. But no...they want a bank to forgive their loans..

And we sit back and watch the president campain for his next term while he should be focused on his job..
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Repped just for saying "Grrr"
 
About 1/2 of those 400K were convicted of some crime. About half of those convicted, the crimes were drug possession or DUI.

~6,000 were rape or murder (serious crimes).

It's not at all clear those crimes were committed in one year.
 
Good point. Since being here illegally doesn't seem to be illegal anymore, evidence might have to be fabricated to send the criminals back across the border.
 
So 45% did not commit a crime.

I wonder how much it cost the American system to deport that 45% and how many of them are back in the country as we type?
 
$150 a day comes out to ~$15-20 per hour (depending on the

What is the difficulty in setting up an Ellis Island for the 21st century?
Agent: "Identification, please"
Migrant Worker X: "I'd like to register for your migrant worker card"
Agent: "What is your name, where are you from, give me some ID and fingerprints."
Migrant worker X: "My name is X, I am from Cityville, I don't have documents, here are my fingers."
Agent: "What is your business in America?"
Worker: "There are apple picking jobs in Wenatchee. I'm going there for the season."
(Info run through database to see if worker is a convicted felon, drug runner, etc.)
Agent: "Step over here and we'll take your picture."
(Picture taken)
Agent: "Here's your migrant worker card printed in both English and the language of your choice. Don't lose this. If you get stopped, give this to the officer/agent/etc. so he can see that you're legit. If you don't have it on you, you could potentially be deported immediately. We don't want that to happen. When you start work, register with your employer/shop boss and make sure that they have your information, so that if you need a replacement card or something we can help you out. This is good for 3 years...after that you have to come back here for an update."
Worker: "Thank you, sir/ma'am."
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
So 45% did not commit a crime.

I wonder how much it cost the American system to deport that 45% and how many of them are back in the country as we type?
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Wrong. Every single one of them committed the crime of being in the United States illegally (without proper documentation or permission). 45% of them did not commit a further crime that warranted being convicted by the local/state/federal government.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
So 45% did not commit a crime.

I wonder how much it cost the American system to deport that 45% and how many of them are back in the country as we type?
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100% committed a crime by being here in the first place.

55% of them were convicted of a more serious crime
 
Mediocre Man said:
100% committed a crime by being here in the first place.

55% of them were convicted of a more serious crime
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If "being here in the first place" is a crime, then you're guilty.

;)
 
BrianFromWA said:
Wrong. Every single one of them committed the crime of being in the United States illegally (without proper documentation or permission). 45% of them did not commit a further crime that warranted being convicted by the local/state/federal government.
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Wondering what you think of a family who brings thier infant and toddler children with them. Children have now been raised in the US for the last 10-15 years.

Are the children who are now 13-17 years old commiting a crime by being here?

Are the children who are 18-21 years old committing a crime by being here?

Is the answer to send these kids and young adults back to their "homeland?"
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Wondering what you think of a family who brings thier infant and toddler children with them. Children have now been raised in the US for the last 10-15 years.

Are the children who are now 13-17 years old commiting a crime by being here?

Are the children who are 18-21 years old committing a crime by being here?

Is the answer to send these kids and young adults back to their "homeland?"
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Yes. Yes. Yes.
 
By definition though, wouldn't most any crime be more serious? 400,000 of them were here illegally. 55% of those were convicted criminals. That means 45% of them were just here illegally, which is also a crime. According to Homeland Security, 22% we officially convicted of more serious crimes. Crimes I would almost guarantee being on that list also are Domestic violence, armed robbery, grand theft, breaking and entering

Of the convicted criminals deported last year, 1,119 were convicted of homicide, 5,848 of sexual offenses, 44,653 of drug-related offenses and 35,927 of driving under the influence, according to the Homeland Security figures.
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
Wondering what you think of a family who brings thier infant and toddler children with them. Children have now been raised in the US for the last 10-15 years.

Are the children who are now 13-17 years old commiting a crime by being here?

Are the children who are 18-21 years old committing a crime by being here?

Is the answer to send these kids and young adults back to their "homeland?"
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Yes, Yes, Yes
 
Mediocre Man said:
By definition though, wouldn't most any crime be more serious? 400,000 of them were here illegally. 55% of those were convicted criminals. That means 45% of them were just here illegally, which is also a crime. According to Homeland Security, 22% we officially convicted of more serious crimes. Crimes I would almost guarantee being on that list also are Domestic violence, armed robbery, grand theft, breaking and entering
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Sounds like you looked up the answer and less than the half that committed crimes, committed more serious crimes.

If any crime is more serious, than there are a lot of people in our community committing more serious crimes than being undocumented in the US . . . including past presidents, CEO of corprotations, police officers and the like. So if being here undocumented is such a terrible crime that results in deportation no matter what the circumstances, why are we letting people who do more serious crimes like DUII not have to do a day of jail?
 
because the illegals are filling up the jails with their more serious crimes! :MARIS61:
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Sounds like you looked up the answer and less than the half that committed crimes, committed more serious crimes.

If any crime is more serious, than there are a lot of people in our community committing more serious crimes than being undocumented in the US . . . including past presidents, CEO of corprotations, police officers and the like. So if being here undocumented is such a terrible crime that results in deportation no matter what the circumstances, why are we letting people who do more serious crimes like DUII not have to do a day of jail?
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Budget shortages?

The BIG difference of people here in our own community and illegals is we, as American citizens, have certain rights. People who aren't citizens of the US don't share those same rights
 
Mediocre Man said:
Budget shortages?

The BIG difference of people here in our own community and illegals is we, as American citizens, have certain rights. People who aren't citizens of the US don't share those same rights
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Exactly, budget shortage.

Yet here we are spending money we don't have fighting a battle we are losing to fight what you say is not even that big of a crime in your mind (any other crime is more serious according to you).

We spend this money because it is a poltical hot topic and people who are out of a job or in a lower paying job quickly place blame on illegal immigration (see El Presidente :D ). So the US gov't spends money having hearing and shipping these people (some who have been here almost their entire lives) back and forth across the boarder when really we should be spending that money locking up people who are a real threat to the community.
 
I know I will donate my own money to build a wall so fucking tall along the boarder that no one could get over it. Still, things have to be done to correct the problem that already exists. Spending money on a problem is what has to be done sometimes
 
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