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wizenheimer said:
but that is once again Portland getting even smaller while the rest of the league gets longer. Like I said, it's just not smart; worse is that the Blazers have had plenty of experience over the last 5 season of seeing the drawbacks to lacking length and size.

Hart means a lot more to Portland then just 'defensive role player'.
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I answered your assertion that "matched any intelligent course they plotted". My answer shows why that it is potentially an intelligent plot.

I assume that if the trade for Hart brings a longer player that plays defense and rebound, that's size issue is somewhat answered. Basically, Portland has 2 starting guards, a backup guard that plays defense (GP2) and a defensive guard that plays undersized starting SF by necessity (Hart). So, if they could not get a bigger body for playing SF that they were interested in last summer, but had an opportunity to get GP2 as a backup defensive guard with the hope that they will be able to flip Hart for a bigger SF - that's certainly a reasonable plan.

Sometimes, if something you want is not available, but you can get something else that allows you later to achieve your goal by making one of GP2 / Hart tradeable - it's a reasonable thing to do.
 
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I said trade veterans for picks and youth. I don't think blowing the team up makes sense because I don't think our best players are worth very much at the moment (Dame's extension is crushing his trade value at the moment, IMO, and Nurk and Ant just signed bigger deals than other teams would have paid), and I think trading guys like Hart and Grant will get us some future assets without really hurting us in the standings one way or the other.

Will this happen? Almost certainly not. But it's my preference now.

I really fear the team will be a "buyer" at the trade deadline and just dig us into a deeper hole of mediocrity over the next three or four years.
 
the trade deadline is now being heavily advertised as: move Josh Hart while he still has trade value

What will the Blazers get in return? Maybe a buyout? Maybe a pick? Future stuff, the important thing is to start shredding cap space for Jerami Grant's upcoming contract. Nurkic is on deck afterwards. Maybe during the trade deadline too?

Nurk can remain on the team until necessary adjustments can be made to keep this franchise from spilling over into the forbidden luxury tax zone.
 
Ed O said:
I said trade veterans for picks and youth. I don't think blowing the team up makes sense because I don't think our best players are worth very much at the moment (Dame's extension is crushing his trade value at the moment, IMO, and Nurk and Ant just signed bigger deals than other teams would have paid), and I think trading guys like Hart and Grant will get us some future assets without really hurting us in the standings one way or the other.

Will this happen? Almost certainly not. But it's my preference now.

I really fear the team will be a "buyer" at the trade deadline and just dig us into a deeper hole of mediocrity over the next three or four years.
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26 of the 30 teams every year are mediocre or worse. And usually the 4 condensers are there for a few years. Its all about making the playoffs/tourney fora chance to shock the world.
 
How is option 4 to be achieved if not via option 3? Bogus injuries to key players?
 
Hoopguru said:
26 of the 30 teams every year are mediocre or worse. And usually the 4 condensers are there for a few years. Its all about making the playoffs/tourney fora chance to shock the world.
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Strongly disagree. No play-in team has, nor probably will, "shock the world". Spending a bunch of money for veterans who are at a play-in level is not the way most teams are built... because it's not a smart way to win.
 
Hoopguru said:
hear ya...Never
The NBA is a marketing machine.
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Pretty much, with only a few exceptions, you have to have a super duper pooper star to win a championship and a legit second star to pair with them.

LeBron
Shaq
Kobe
Jordan
Bird
Magic
Curry
Durant

Dame is arguably that good, but he has never had a decent roster around him. It has always been super flawed.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Pretty much, with only a few exceptions, you have to have a super duper pooper star to win a championship and a legit second star to pair with them.

LeBron
Shaq
Kobe
Jordan
Bird
Magic
Curry
Durant

Dame is arguably that good, but he has never had a decent roster around him. It has always been super flawed.
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Not even sure what to do with that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Pretty much, with only a few exceptions, you have to have a super duper pooper star to win a championship and a legit second star to pair with them.

Dame is arguably that good, but he has never had a decent roster around him. It has always been super flawed.
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Maybe it's arguable... but it's not a good argument.
Dame is clearly a tier below these 'greatest of all time' type players.
 
We blow a 25 point lead to the lakers then win a shootout with the lowly Spurs(giving up 127), and now we play the .500 Jazz. If we look like shit tonight I think it’s pretty telling of how guys are responding to Dame/Billups this year.
 
LayneStaley said:
We blow a 25 point lead to the lakers then win a shootout with the lowly Spurs(giving up 127), and now we play the .500 Jazz. If we look like shit tonight I think it’s pretty telling of how guys are responding to Dame/Billups this year.
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Let me guess....and if we win against the Jazz....it doesn't mean shit?
 
Ed O said:
Strongly disagree. No play-in team has, nor probably will, "shock the world". Spending a bunch of money for veterans who are at a play-in level is not the way most teams are built... because it's not a smart way to win.
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Never said a play in team has won a ship or ever would. My point was that most teams are average or worse. And that the league survives on tv rev generated by tremendous fan interest and the chase for play offs. Hell, the league now has a play in to generate more buzz and are considering a mid season tourney. Only a few teams every year are Legit contenders.
 
Hoopguru said:
Never said a play in team has won a ship or ever would. My point was that most teams are average or worse. And that the league survives on tv rev generated by tremendous fan interest and the chase for play offs. Hell, the league now has a play in to generate more buzz and are considering a mid season tourney. Only a few teams every year are Legit contenders.
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What does "shock the world" mean, then? Making it to the second round?

Even if we concede that most teams are average or worse (which doesn't really matter, since we shouldn't be happy just because we're just as bad as other teams), most teams are not mediocre while lacking draft picks, having mainly veterans in its rotation, and no cap space for the foreseeable future.
 
Ed O said:
What does "shock the world" mean, then? Making it to the second round?

Even if we concede that most teams are average or worse (which doesn't really matter, since we shouldn't be happy just because we're just as bad as other teams), most teams are not mediocre while lacking draft picks, having mainly veterans in its rotation, and no cap space for the foreseeable future.
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Hoping to shock the world..
 
It's been 14 years, and I don't know if I've ever seen Ed say a positive thing on this site. At some point, if a form of entertainment makes you so miserable, you think you'd just move on.
 
TBpup said:
Not even sure what to do with that.
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I wonder if Dame wasn't 6'3 and was actually 6'8 if the conversation wouldn't be different, based on his accomplishments alone.

I'm not saying he's as good as those other guys, but the argument is whether he's truly a superstar. A top tier talent. The kind that you build around.
 
Like.... I know we haven't ever won anything, but is that really Dame's fault? If he had been put on a championship caliber team like the Lakers/Bulls/etc etc etc

 
I think it's clear: Trading Dame will be a step in the right direction; he's really holding the franchise back.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Given that Chauncey has stated (and I agree) that Josh Hart is the heart and soul of the team, I shall lose 90% of interest in the team if that happens.
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Sounds like…

You fell in love with him…Gladly
Because he played D tight
And stole the ball last night
 
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