A boring but very plausible trade

[42N8Bounce]

Just for shits and giggles, name a player you would place on the same level as CJ.

CJ is the Blazers 2nd leading scorer, and 2nd Usg%. (sg) 29 yo

Here are some "2nd best" players on other teams:
MIL: Khris Middleton (sf) 29 yo
TOR: Serge Ibaka (pf) 31 yo
BOS: Kemba Walker (pg) 30 yo
PHI: Tobias Harris (pf) 28 yo
BRK: Caris LeVert (sf) 26 yo
ORL: Evan Fournier (sf) 27 yo
CHA: Terry Rozier (pg) 26 yo
WAS: Davis Bertans (pf) 27 yo
NYK: Marcus Morris (pf) 31 yo
DET: Blake Griffin (pf) 31 yo
ATL: Jabari Parker (pf) 24 yo
CLE: Kevin Love (pf) 32 yo
LAL : Kyle Kuzma (pf) 25 yo
LAC: Montrezl Harrell (pf) 26 yo
HOU: Russell Westbrook (pg) 31 yo
OKC: Danilo Gallinari (sf) 32 yo
UTA: Bojan Bogdanovic (sf) 31 yo
DAL: Kristaps Porzingis (pf) 25 yo
PHX: Kelly Oubre (sf) 24 yo
SAS: LaMarcus Aldridge (pf) 34 yo
SAC: Buddy Hield (sg) 27 yo
NOP: Jrue Holiday (pg) 30 yo
GSW: Andrew Wiggins (sf) 25 yo

Anyone want LaMarcus back in exchange for CJ?

 

[Hoopguru]

CJ is the Blazers 2nd leading scorer, and 2nd Usg%. (sg) 29 yo

Here are some "2nd best" players on other teams:
MIL: Khris Middleton (sf) 29 yo
TOR: Serge Ibaka (pf) 31 yo
BOS: Kemba Walker (pg) 30 yo
PHI: Tobias Harris (pf) 28 yo
BRK: Caris LeVert (sf) 26 yo
ORL: Evan Fournier (sf) 27 yo
CHA: Terry Rozier (pg) 26 yo
WAS: Davis Bertans (pf) 27 yo
NYK: Marcus Morris (pf) 31 yo
DET: Blake Griffin (pf) 31 yo
ATL: Jabari Parker (pf) 24 yo
CLE: Kevin Love (pf) 32 yo
LAL : Kyle Kuzma (pf) 25 yo
LAC: Montrezl Harrell (pf) 26 yo
HOU: Russell Westbrook (pg) 31 yo
OKC: Danilo Gallinari (sf) 32 yo
UTA: Bojan Bogdanovic (sf) 31 yo
DAL: Kristaps Porzingis (pf) 25 yo
PHX: Kelly Oubre (sf) 24 yo
SAS: LaMarcus Aldridge (pf) 34 yo
SAC: Buddy Hield (sg) 27 yo
NOP: Jrue Holiday (pg) 30 yo
GSW: Andrew Wiggins (sf) 25 yo

Anyone want LaMarcus back in exchange for CJ?

Pass on Aldridge.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Good question. I will do some research when I get back from my daughters soccer practice.

It's good of you to be the goal for them.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

CJ is the Blazers 2nd leading scorer, and 2nd Usg%. (sg) 29 yo

Here are some "2nd best" players on other teams:
MIL: Khris Middleton (sf) 29 yo
TOR: Serge Ibaka (pf) 31 yo
BOS: Kemba Walker (pg) 30 yo
PHI: Tobias Harris (pf) 28 yo
BRK: Caris LeVert (sf) 26 yo
ORL: Evan Fournier (sf) 27 yo
CHA: Terry Rozier (pg) 26 yo
WAS: Davis Bertans (pf) 27 yo
NYK: Marcus Morris (pf) 31 yo
DET: Blake Griffin (pf) 31 yo
ATL: Jabari Parker (pf) 24 yo
CLE: Kevin Love (pf) 32 yo
LAL : Kyle Kuzma (pf) 25 yo
LAC: Montrezl Harrell (pf) 26 yo
HOU: Russell Westbrook (pg) 31 yo
OKC: Danilo Gallinari (sf) 32 yo
UTA: Bojan Bogdanovic (sf) 31 yo
DAL: Kristaps Porzingis (pf) 25 yo
PHX: Kelly Oubre (sf) 24 yo
SAS: LaMarcus Aldridge (pf) 34 yo
SAC: Buddy Hield (sg) 27 yo
NOP: Jrue Holiday (pg) 30 yo
GSW: Andrew Wiggins (sf) 25 yo

Anyone want LaMarcus back in exchange for CJ?

There are a lot of third-or-fourth best players there! Kuzma? Hield? Harrell?

 

[BonesJones]

It's a lateral move that doesmt make us better on either side of the court. We lose a big defensive wing who shot 40% from 3pt for us for a smaller defensive wing with a more questionable shot. We end up left with only 1 player that can consistently create their own shot off the dribble. I'd rather have a poor defensive SG than a poor defensive PF.

Theres not point to shuffle the deck, downgrading chemistry and familiarity, just for a lateral move. In this trade we give up the best player in this trade and downgrade our overall talent level. No thanks.

 

[BonesJones]

Because of Ariza's larger salary for potential matching deals, I'd look to do Hood instead of him. Then turn around and move Ariza, maybe with 16 and 21? Or one. Ariza and 21 for Taurean Prince and 19?

Why would we want Prince? He was awful last year.

 

[BonesJones]

CJ for KLove and #5 sounds better than that trade.

Why in the world would Cleveland do thatd?

 

[BonesJones]

Counterpoint: Richardson's contract is excellent!

It's really not. What do you think he's worth? He's a good defender and mediocre offensively.

 

[damianlillard]

It's really not. What do you think he's worth? He's a good defender and mediocre offensively.

Compare to all of the contracts of 2016 that’s a great contract. He get paid roughly 11 mil to be a 3D role player essentially. And he does his job for the most part. To me that’s great. But I rather have Ariza simply because he’s more of a natural SF than Richardson is

 

[damianlillard]

Why would we want Prince? He was awful last year.

I personally like prince. You seem to forget that Ariza played awful for the last few years until he arrived in Portland. And he’s only getting older, gonna be 36 next year whereas Prince will turn 27 next year. Prince had some good seasons before this last one. I would take a chance on Prince bouncing back on a team that has one of the best backcourt in the league while he’s himself is entering his prime.

 

[42N8Bounce]

There are a lot of third-or-fourth best players there! Kuzma? Hield? Harrell?

Yeah, in the case of the Lakers, it's hard to call Davis the second best player. Let's just call him 1b. He's certainly not in the 'trade for CJ' discussion.

 

[BonesJones]

Compare to all of the contracts of 2016 that’s a great contract. He get paid roughly 11 mil to be a 3D role player essentially. And he does his job for the most part. To me that’s great. But I rather have Ariza simply because he’s more of a natural SF than Richardson is

He didnt sign this contract in 2016, almost every contract signed in 2016 is over, and it's no longer 2016.

Richardson isnt even a good 3pt shooter so 3&D is a stretch.

 

[GDiama]

It's a lateral move that doesmt make us better on either side of the court. We lose a big defensive wing who shot 40% from 3pt for us for a smaller defensive wing with a more questionable shot. We end up left with only 1 player that can consistently create their own shot off the dribble. I'd rather have a poor defensive SG than a poor defensive PF.

Theres not point to shuffle the deck, downgrading chemistry and familiarity, just for a lateral move. In this trade we give up the best player in this trade and downgrade our overall talent level. No thanks.

I disagree with the part of prefering a poor defensive SG compared to a poor defensive PF. Simply because we have Lillard at PG so both our guards are poor defenders. There is not many PFs that can do much damage out there, but guards? Our good defensive SF can only guard one spot and we cannot waste him on guards.

Ideally a good defensive guard would take the best opponent's guard and leave Dame the lesser threat.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

CJ is the Blazers 2nd leading scorer, and 2nd Usg%. (sg) 29 yo

Here are some "2nd best" players on other teams:
MIL: Khris Middleton (sf) 29 yo
TOR: Serge Ibaka (pf) 31 yo
BOS: Kemba Walker (pg) 30 yo
PHI: Tobias Harris (pf) 28 yo
BRK: Caris LeVert (sf) 26 yo
ORL: Evan Fournier (sf) 27 yo
CHA: Terry Rozier (pg) 26 yo
WAS: Davis Bertans (pf) 27 yo
NYK: Marcus Morris (pf) 31 yo
DET: Blake Griffin (pf) 31 yo
ATL: Jabari Parker (pf) 24 yo
CLE: Kevin Love (pf) 32 yo
LAL : Kyle Kuzma (pf) 25 yo
LAC: Montrezl Harrell (pf) 26 yo
HOU: Russell Westbrook (pg) 31 yo
OKC: Danilo Gallinari (sf) 32 yo
UTA: Bojan Bogdanovic (sf) 31 yo
DAL: Kristaps Porzingis (pf) 25 yo
PHX: Kelly Oubre (sf) 24 yo
SAS: LaMarcus Aldridge (pf) 34 yo
SAC: Buddy Hield (sg) 27 yo
NOP: Jrue Holiday (pg) 30 yo
GSW: Andrew Wiggins (sf) 25 yo

Anyone want LaMarcus back in exchange for CJ?

The 2nd best Laker is Kuzma? The 2nd best 6er is Harris? Wiggins? Jabari Parker?

No offense, but are you mental?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Good question. I will do some research when I get back from my daughters soccer practice.

How's the research going, professor?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yeah, in the case of the Lakers, it's hard to call Davis the second best player. Let's just call him 1b. He's certainly not in the 'trade for CJ' discussion.

Maybe David is the best Laker. In no way would that ever elevate Kuzma to the 2nd best Laker.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

CJ is the Blazers 2nd leading scorer, and 2nd Usg%. (sg) 29 yo

Here are some "2nd best" players on other teams:
MIL: Khris Middleton (sf) 29 yo
TOR: Serge Ibaka (pf) 31 yo
BOS: Kemba Walker (pg) 30 yo
PHI: Tobias Harris (pf) 28 yo
BRK: Caris LeVert (sf) 26 yo
ORL: Evan Fournier (sf) 27 yo
CHA: Terry Rozier (pg) 26 yo
WAS: Davis Bertans (pf) 27 yo
NYK: Marcus Morris (pf) 31 yo
DET: Blake Griffin (pf) 31 yo
ATL: Jabari Parker (pf) 24 yo
CLE: Kevin Love (pf) 32 yo
LAL : Kyle Kuzma (pf) 25 yo
LAC: Montrezl Harrell (pf) 26 yo
HOU: Russell Westbrook (pg) 31 yo
OKC: Danilo Gallinari (sf) 32 yo
UTA: Bojan Bogdanovic (sf) 31 yo
DAL: Kristaps Porzingis (pf) 25 yo
PHX: Kelly Oubre (sf) 24 yo
SAS: LaMarcus Aldridge (pf) 34 yo
SAC: Buddy Hield (sg) 27 yo
NOP: Jrue Holiday (pg) 30 yo
GSW: Andrew Wiggins (sf) 25 yo

Anyone want LaMarcus back in exchange for CJ?

Wiggins is better than Klay Thompson? LmAO this list is a joke.

 

[damianlillard]

He didnt sign this contract in 2016, almost every contract signed in 2016 is over, and it's no longer 2016.

Richardson isnt even a good 3pt shooter so 3&D is a stretch.

I know that but it’s still a good contract regardless. Richardson is a career 36% 3 point shooter. That’s about average especially for a guard.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Re: Josh Richardson

I think this year was a down year for him as well. Nobody was particularly happy in Philly this year, as far as I could tell (part of why they canned the coach). So here are his stats from the previous season, when he was effectively Miami's best player:

Also from that season, ranking shooting guards by WINS:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Birthdates of all parties involved in trade:
30 June, 1985 - Ariza
19 Sept., 1991 - CJ
15 July, 1992 - Harris
15 Sept., 1993 - Richardson

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If people don't like this trade; can they think of another one where CJ still goes to Philly but a third team sends assets to us. I think Philly will pay the most for CJ so it is advantageous for us to trade with them.

 

[RR7]

I personally like prince. You seem to forget that Ariza played awful for the last few years until he arrived in Portland. And he’s only getting older, gonna be 36 next year whereas Prince will turn 27 next year. Prince had some good seasons before this last one. I would take a chance on Prince bouncing back on a team that has one of the best backcourt in the league while he’s himself is entering his prime.

Yeah, that was kinda my thinking as well, trying to buy low on someone who could have a bounce back season for us. I don't think Prince all of a sudden makes us title contenders or anything, but I think he is an improvement over Ariza short/long term, and I threw in a pick swap of us moving up ever so slightly as well.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

just get Danilo to come on the mle

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think this makes it very likely that some big Sixers trades happen...

 

[e_blazer]

I think this makes it very likely that some big Sixers trades happen...

Yeah. Look for CP3 to be Sixer before the start of the season. Total Morey move.

 

[JohanXV]

I think that CJ for KLove and #5 sounds better than that trade.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think that CJ for KLove and #5 sounds better than that trade.

Not to CJ I bet.

 

[GDiama]

I think that CJ for KLove and #5 sounds better than that trade.

But why? It's not that you get a 100% good player with the pick and Love is not that great anymore. At least Josh and Tobias are solid and don't come with injury concerns

 

[Rastapopoulos]

A new version:

 

[Hoopguru]

Why would Philly essentially trade Shake, Matisse & Tyrese for Hood coming off a serious injury? Only to make salaries match?