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Would you pull the trigger on this trade?

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calvin natt said:
This is a hugely lopsided trade for PDX
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It's funny: that's a reaction that I expect most CJ-haters to have, and as this board has a lot of those, maybe it'll be a dominant one. But I also think that Harris is widely seen as overpaid and overrated (perhaps even more than CJ) so I also expect people to hate the trade.

Is it at all likely? Not really, although I think Philly is serious about not giving up Simmons for Harden, so that should shut down the Harden talk, and they might think that CJ is a cheap version of Harden who might work better alongside Simmons. And right now he's leading the entire league with 22 made three-pointers, so that should appeal to Morey. Meanwhile, Harris is actually playing well and is a solid rebounder, a weakness for us, and also an above-average defender, also a weakness for us. And while Olshey has proved perpetually reluctant to move CJ, I also think he sees Simons as a genuine star-in-waiting, and might be impatient for him to get minutes before we lose him, and this is the only way to ensure that he does (because CJ, to his credit, never misses games).

The reason I included Milton in the trade is because I WANT A FUCKING BACKUP PG, especially if we're losing CJ. But this trade would leave Philly very thin up front. Maybe we can rope in Detroit, who has a surplus of beef up front to even things out.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
It's funny: that's a reaction that I expect most CJ-haters to have, and as this board has a lot of those, maybe it'll be a dominant one. But I also think that Harris is widely seen as overpaid and overrated (perhaps even more than CJ) so I also expect people to hate the trade.

Is it at all likely? Not really, although I think Philly is serious about not giving up Simmons for Harden, so that should shut down the Harden talk, and they might think that CJ is a cheap version of Harden who might work better alongside Simmons. And right now he's leading the entire league with 22 made three-pointers, so that should appeal to Morey. Meanwhile, Harris is actually playing well and is a solid rebounder, a weakness for us, and also an above-average defender, also a weakness for us. And while Olshey has proved perpetually reluctant to move CJ, I also think he sees Simons as a genuine star-in-waiting, and might be impatient for him to get minutes before we lose him, and this is the only way to ensure that he does (because CJ, to his credit, never misses games).

The reason I included Milton in the trade is because I WANT A FUCKING BACKUP PG, especially if we're losing CJ. But this trade would leave Philly very thin up front. Maybe we can rope in Detroit, who has a surplus of beef up front to even things out.
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Maxey alone is what makes this unrealistic. Dude is a stud. Miltons cheap contract #2. There is just literally no way Philly considers this.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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I was one of the biggest proponents of the CJ/Ariza for Harris/Richardson trade when that was a thing. Now I just want to see how the season plays out. If Gary and DJJ do what I think they will, I'll just want to trade CJ for a backup PG, cap relief and whatever draft considerations we might be able to squeeze out of some team. If Gary and DJJ don't have breakout years and Dame and CJ continue what to do what they have in the past then I would think there will be major shakeups that I can't even project. If Dame and CJ can start to play acceptable defense together and move the ball without stalling it then I'd be ecstatic to have CJ a Blazers lifer.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
It's funny: that's a reaction that I expect most CJ-haters to have, and as this board has a lot of those, maybe it'll be a dominant one. But I also think that Harris is widely seen as overpaid and overrated (perhaps even more than CJ) so I also expect people to hate the trade.

Is it at all likely? Not really, although I think Philly is serious about not giving up Simmons for Harden, so that should shut down the Harden talk, and they might think that CJ is a cheap version of Harden who might work better alongside Simmons. And right now he's leading the entire league with 22 made three-pointers, so that should appeal to Morey. Meanwhile, Harris is actually playing well and is a solid rebounder, a weakness for us, and also an above-average defender, also a weakness for us. And while Olshey has proved perpetually reluctant to move CJ, I also think he sees Simons as a genuine star-in-waiting, and might be impatient for him to get minutes before we lose him, and this is the only way to ensure that he does (because CJ, to his credit, never misses games).

The reason I included Milton in the trade is because I WANT A FUCKING BACKUP PG, especially if we're losing CJ. But this trade would leave Philly very thin up front. Maybe we can rope in Detroit, who has a surplus of beef up front to even things out.
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I thought this was a pretty interesting proposal.
 
blazerkor said:
I was one of the biggest proponents of the CJ/Ariza for Harris/Richardson trade when that was a thing. Now I just want to see how the season plays out. If Gary and DJJ do what I think they will, I'll just want to trade CJ for a backup PG, cap relief and whatever draft considerations we might be able to squeeze out of some team. If Gary and DJJ don't have breakout years and Dame and CJ continue what to do what they have in the past then I would think there will be major shakeups that I can't even project. If Dame and CJ can start to play acceptable defense together and move the ball without stalling it then I'd be ecstatic to have CJ a Blazers lifer.
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Ew
 
Doc has unlocked Harris just like he did in LA again. Not sure Philly would even entertain trading him right now. Think they'd let Simmons go before Harris
 
Rastapopoulos said:
To all those people who didn't vote yes:
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A.) He probably doesn't do that here under Stotts
B.) Since he's playing that good, what makes you think we could've realistically traded CJ for him?
 
If CJ is viewed as an all-star like some claim, Harris and maybe another asset should be obtainable.

If CJ isn't an all-star, then I think this trade would be far more difficult to pull off.
 
Tince said:
If CJ is viewed as an all-star like some claim, Harris and maybe another asset should be obtainable.

If CJ isn't an all-star, then I think this trade would be far more difficult to pull off.
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Cj isn't, but we need to fool them into thinking he is.
 
Strenuus said:
Cj isn't, but we need to fool them into thinking he is.
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Rastapopoulos said:
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the mythology about CJ's playoff prowess is just loopy:

PER: regular season 17.5....playoffs 15.8
FG%: regular season .454....playoffs .439
FT%: regular season .826....playoffs .774
TS%: regular season .552....playoffs .532
eFG%: regular season .524....playoffs .503
Assist%: regular season 17.5%....playoffs 13.2%
off. rating: regular season 111....playoffs 106
def. rating: regular season 112....playoffs 115
winshare/48: regular season .106....playoffs .056
BPM: regular season 1.2....playoffs 0.9

he is worse in the playoffs in every single category. Now, in anticipation a couple of excuses for these numbers:

* "these numbers are lower because of his first 2 seasons when he was inexperienced and not a starter"....He only played 24 of his 1758 playoff minutes as a rookie and that's not enough of a sample to move his overall numbers in any significant fashion. And in his 2nd playoff season, when he played 166 minutes, almost every one of his numbers were better than his career marks. So, if anything, his first 2 playoff seasons moved his numbers up, not down

* "playoff defense is more focused and more intense so naturally his numbers will drop"....that is generally true but somehow, CJ is getting credit for playoff prowess when his impact and efficiency have dropped --> mythology. Not only that, as we all know, in the playoffs opponents have been obsessively focused on stopping Dame which always leaves CJ single-covered by worse defenders; so the 'playoffs-have-tougher-defense' excuse for CJ doesn't ring true. In the playoffs, he has drafted off the attention paid to Dame, and still posted worse numbers. That is not upping his game like the fable says

IMO, CJ is getting way too much credit for the game 7 against Denver. Yes, he was great in that game, but somehow the credit for that game has whitewashed his entire playoff career. If CJ was so good in the playoffs, then he would have been ready and capable of carrying the burden in the series right after that game 7 when the Warriors were doubling and tripling Dame all over the floor. How did he do: His FG% was .393; his 3pt% was .355; his FT% was .647; his TS% was .481. He took 14 more shots than Dame but scored 1 less point.

if CJ was truly some great playoff performer then teams would not be able to focus on Dame, and could not have success when they did
 
wizenheimer said:
the mythology about CJ's playoff prowess is just loopy:

PER: regular season 17.5....playoffs 15.8
FG%: regular season .454....playoffs .439
FT%: regular season .826....playoffs .774
TS%: regular season .552....playoffs .532
eFG%: regular season .524....playoffs .503
Assist%: regular season 17.5%....playoffs 13.2%
off. rating: regular season 111....playoffs 106
def. rating: regular season 112....playoffs 115
winshare/48: regular season .106....playoffs .056
BPM: regular season 1.2....playoffs 0.9

he is worse in the playoffs in every single category. Now, in anticipation a couple of excuses for these numbers:

* "these numbers are lower because of his first 2 seasons when he was inexperienced and not a starter"....He only played 24 of his 1758 playoff minutes as a rookie and that's not enough of a sample to move his overall numbers in any significant fashion. And in his 2nd playoff season, when he played 166 minutes, almost every one of his numbers were better than his career marks. So, if anything, his first 2 playoff seasons moved his numbers up, not down

* "playoff defense is more focused and more intense so naturally his numbers will drop"....that is generally true but somehow, CJ is getting credit for playoff prowess when his impact and efficiency have dropped --> mythology. Not only that, as we all know, in the playoffs opponents have been obsessively focused on stopping Dame which always leaves CJ single-covered by worse defenders; so the 'playoffs-have-tougher-defense' excuse for CJ doesn't ring true. In the playoffs, he has drafted off the attention paid to Dame, and still posted worse numbers. That is not upping his game like the fable says

IMO, CJ is getting way too much credit for the game 7 against Denver. Yes, he was great in that game, but somehow the credit for that game has whitewashed his entire playoff career. If CJ was so good in the playoffs, then he would have been ready and capable of carrying the burden in the series right after that game 7 when the Warriors were doubling and tripling Dame all over the floor. How did he do: His FG% was .393; his 3pt% was .355; his FT% was .647; his TS% was .481. He took 14 more shots than Dame but scored 1 less point.

if CJ was truly some great playoff performer then teams would not be able to focus on Dame, and could not have success when they did
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It's because Dame gets all the focus and doesn't look great, so CJ looks passable because he doesn't have teams doing everything in their power to stop him.
 
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