Abbott says no trades

[WWBRoyD]

How can you say that when you don't have a comprehensive view of the franchise and the league?

For instance, KP has been on the phone with every-damn-body about RLEC. If he is going to wait till summer to deal it is because he thinks there is a better chance of improving the franchise in the summer. I'll be disappointed because I wanna see the fireworks, but I do not pretend to know the character of the conversations that KP has had with other GM's and what options are actually open/what ways waiting till summer rather than taking on a big contract might help us long term. Yes, getting a good SF will solidify our playoff hopes and help us win a few more games, but does it get us over the top? Do we win a championship with that guy or are we better off waiting, not losing a couple of our players, and doing business in the summer?

I think I'll trust the guy who has talked to every GM in the league and has an advanced basketball statistician on call.

We're heading to the playoffs 1 1/2 SFs deep. At the very least, we have to pick up a rental with an expiring contract for depth at SF

 

[PapaG]

Not taking advantage of the current econmic situation, which we can't do after the season, would be a failure IMO.

In no other type of market can you get players like Wallace, VC, Jefferson or others for a package that centers around Raef Lafrentz.

Really? You actually expect the economy to improve prior to this summer? The DJIA is yet again tanking today, unemployment will soon be over 8% nationally, and taxpayers are being gouged to buy up the assets of failed homeowners and businesses.

This summer will make today look like an economic boom by comparison. I won't be surprised to see a few teams go belly-up as credit resources continue to dry up.

 

[sabas4mvp]

Maybe we are going after josh childress in the summer

 

[free_lafrentz]

Maybe we are going after josh childress in the summer

Sessions!

 

[hasoos]

Incase you haven't noticed, every team we are dealing with is standing up to KP more than anyone has before and are driving just as hard of a bargain as we are. I doubt KP blinks at all, but if for some reason he does it will be at 11:59 pst.

I think that part of that comes from some owners starting to learn from their mistakes, and getting better advise. Jordan has been trying to rectify his mistakes over the last few years of drafting and free agent acquisition. He is starting to to show some signs of actually becoming a competent GM.

But now that being said, when you have a chance to grab Gerald Wallace, who has plenty of years left in him, and the fact that Batum was the holding point, and if you are extremely lucky, he turns out as good as Wallace, that is completely fucking stupid. Scrubs+1 possibly good player several years from now for a tier 2 star? No brainer, pull the trigger.

 

[TripTango]

Not taking advantage of the current econmic situation, which we can't do after the season, would be a failure IMO.

In no other type of market can you get players like Wallace, VC, Jefferson or others for a package that centers around Raef Lafrentz.

A) KP and the front office have way more info than you.
B) They've also been doing their jobs infinitely longer than you have been doing their jobs, making them a bit more qualified to judge trades and financial decisions.

Therefore,
C) You calling their decision today (whatever it may be) a "failure" just because you don't see/understand the reasons for it is ridiculous.

I know that you want to see a good trade. We'd ALL like to see a good trade. (emphasis on "good") But we have NO IDEA what these other teams are asking, and what the various ramifications might be. We also have no idea what the FO might be planning for the summer, regardless of what happens today. This is why I called your knee-jerk, unequivocal, and ignorant response an exaggeration.

 

[free_lafrentz]

I think that part of that comes from some owners starting to learn from their mistakes, and getting better advise. Jordan has been trying to rectify his mistakes over the last few years of drafting and free agent acquisition. He is starting to to show some signs of actually becoming a competent GM.

But now that being said, when you have a chance to grab Gerald Wallace, who has plenty of years left in him, and the fact that Batum was the holding point, and if you are extremely lucky, he turns out as good as Wallace, that is completely fucking stupid. Scrubs+1 possibly good player several years from now for a tier 2 star? No brainer, pull the trigger.

Agreed. I'd even throw in a pick or 2.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Really? You actually expect the economy to improve prior to this summer? The DJIA is yet again tanking today, unemployment will soon be over 8% nationally, and taxpayers are being gouged to buy up the assets of failed homeowners and businesses.

This summer will make today look like an economic boom by comparison. I won't be surprised to see a few teams go belly-up as credit resources continue to dry up.

No not at all. We have RLEC, and we won't this summer. That is the reason we can't take advantage of it then.

 

[hasoos]

A) KP and the front office have way more info than you.
B) They've also been doing their jobs infinitely longer than you have been doing their jobs, making them a bit more qualified to judge trades and financial decisions.

Therefore,
C) You calling their decision today (whatever it may be) a "failure" just because you don't see/understand the reasons for it is ridiculous.

I know that you want to see a good trade. We'd ALL like to see a good trade. (emphasis on "good") But we have NO IDEA what these other teams are asking, and what the various ramifications might be. We also have no idea what the FO might be planning for the summer, regardless of what happens today. This is why I called your knee-jerk, unequivocal, and ignorant response an exaggeration.

Everything you said above, does not mean they are making a mistake. All it says is their credentials. I have seen plenty of GM's with credentials, many of them with more credentials than KP in terms of experience, make mistakes. Your reasoning is flawed.

 

[Mediocre Man]

A) KP and the front office have way more info than you.
B) They've also been doing their jobs infinitely longer than you have been doing their jobs, making them a bit more qualified to judge trades and financial decisions.

Therefore,
C) You calling their decision today (whatever it may be) a "failure" just because you don't see/understand the reasons for it is ridiculous.

I know that you want to see a good trade. We'd ALL like to see a good trade. (emphasis on "good") But we have NO IDEA what these other teams are asking, and what the various ramifications might be. We also have no idea what the FO might be planning for the summer, regardless of what happens today. This is why I called your knee-jerk, unequivocal, and ignorant response an exaggeration.

Rationalization aside......failure if nothing happens

 

[TripTango]

But now that being said, when you have a chance to grab Gerald Wallace, who has plenty of years left in him, and the fact that Batum was the holding point, and if you are extremely lucky, he turns out as good as Wallace, that is completely fucking stupid. Scrubs+1 possibly good player several years from now for a tier 2 star? No brainer, pull the trigger.

Careful -- you're taking these rumors as gospel. Did you overhear the phone call where this offer was made by the Bobcats?

 

[Natebishop3]

Sorry guys, but if we seriously had the Bobcats offer us Wallace and Nazr for Batum and LaFrentz... I really can't see any conceivable reason why we turned it down. There's no way we could do better than that this summer.

We've all heard it around the league, and now I'm worried that KP is overvaluing our players. It almost seems like Pritchard won't do a deal unless he Pritchslaps, and that can't always be the case. Sometimes you have to give to get.

 

[TripTango]

Rationalization aside......failure if nothing happens

Ignorant and inaccurate, whatever happens.

 

[Natebishop3]

A) KP and the front office have way more info than you.
B) They've also been doing their jobs infinitely longer than you have been doing their jobs, making them a bit more qualified to judge trades and financial decisions.

Therefore,
C) You calling their decision today (whatever it may be) a "failure" just because you don't see/understand the reasons for it is ridiculous.

I know that you want to see a good trade. We'd ALL like to see a good trade. (emphasis on "good") But we have NO IDEA what these other teams are asking, and what the various ramifications might be. We also have no idea what the FO might be planning for the summer, regardless of what happens today. This is why I called your knee-jerk, unequivocal, and ignorant response an exaggeration.

So has Chris Wallace, but you wouldn't see me trading Pau Gasol for nothing.

 

[TripTango]

Everything you said above, does not mean they are making a mistake. All it says is their credentials. I have seen plenty of GM's with credentials, many of them with more credentials than KP in terms of experience, make mistakes. Your reasoning is flawed.

No, it's not. You are basing your judgments on FLAWED INFORMATION. Unless you have some kind of inside line (in which case, I have some advice for you!), you have NO IDEA what offers are on the table. Calling "failure" without knowing what's going on behind those closed doors is asinine.

End of story.

 

[PapaG]

No not at all. We have RLEC, and we won't this summer. That is the reason we can't take advantage of it then.

There will still be cap space, however. Just trading away RLEC for the hell of it makes no sense to me unless the team received a lopsided offer in exchange.

 

[Reep]

No not at all. We have RLEC, and we won't this summer. That is the reason we can't take advantage of it then.

Right now we have RLEC ($12M). This Summer we should have $7M cap + $3M TE + very tradeable contracts with good youg players.

Now Wallace costs you RLEC + Batum + taking a bad contract. This Summer, you can get Wallace without adding Batum and without taking on Nazr. If you can be patient, the Summer deal is much better in the long run.

 

[Natebishop3]

No, it's not. You are basing your judgments on FLAWED INFORMATION. Unless you have some kind of inside line (in which case, I have some advice for you!), you have NO IDEA what offers are on the table. Calling "failure" without knowing what's going on behind those closed doors is asinine.

End of story.

You are being just as asinine with your extreme left point of view, as opposed to their extreme right point of view.

 

[TripTango]

So has Chris Wallace, but you wouldn't see me trading Pau Gasol for nothing.

You're totally missing the point. I'm not arguing that the FO is magical and perfect. I'm saying that it's impossible to judge them on INACTION without knowing what the stakes were! We can judge Chris Wallace on his ACTIONS because they became public, but we just don't know what deals are actually on the table until one gets finalized. All these rumors and whispers are just that.

 

[TripTango]

You are being just as asinine with your extreme left point of view, as opposed to their extreme right point of view.

Oh? And what point of view is that?

 

[e_blazer]

No, it's not. You are basing your judgments on FLAWED INFORMATION. Unless you have some kind of inside line (in which case, I have some advice for you!), you have NO IDEA what offers are on the table. Calling "failure" without knowing what's going on behind those closed doors is asinine.

End of story.

KP, aren't you supposed to be working the phones until noon?

 

[PapaG]

You are being just as asinine with your extreme left point of view, as opposed to their extreme right point of view.

Him saying that none of us know what KP is being offered is "asinine"? Seems more "factual" to me.

 

[Natebishop3]

Right now we have RLEC ($12M). This Summer we should have $7M cap + $3M TE + very tradeable contracts with good youg players.

Now Wallace costs you RLEC + Batum + taking a bad contract. This Summer, you can get Wallace without adding Batum and without taking on Nazr. If you can be patient, the Summer deal is much better in the long run.

But one of the appealing aspects of RLEC is the insurance covering his contract, which you lose this summer. The Blazers aren't the only team with an expiring contract, but they are one of the only teams with an expiring contract that is covered by insurance.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Right now we have RLEC ($12M). This Summer we should have $7M cap + $3M TE + very tradeable contracts with good youg players.

Now Wallace costs you RLEC + Batum + taking a bad contract. This Summer, you can get Wallace without adding Batum and without taking on Nazr. If you can be patient, the Summer deal is much better in the long run.

You can't use a TE with a player in a trade. So in reality we have more now with RLEC and Outlaw than we would if we let him expire.

And who's to say what you can get Wallace for this summer. I would assume the Bob's would be more motivated to deal for RLEC because it saves them money now.......And this summer

 

[TripTango]

KP, aren't you supposed to be working the phones until noon?

Nah -- I'm letting Charlotte and New Jersey stew for awhile. (Or is that "bake"?)

 

[Natebishop3]

Oh? And what point of view is that?

That our point of view can't possibly be the correct one, simply because we are not in the same position of KP, we are not professionals, and we don't have "all the information."

 

[Ed O]

Right now we have RLEC ($12M). This Summer we should have $7M cap + $3M TE + very tradeable contracts with good youg players.

Now Wallace costs you RLEC + Batum + taking a bad contract. This Summer, you can get Wallace without adding Batum and without taking on Nazr. If you can be patient, the Summer deal is much better in the long run.

Frye is going to be useless as a trade piece this summer... right now he's an expiring deal of a decent size. This summer we'd have to deal with cap holds and/or re-signing him at a higher price.

Further, the salary cap is probably going to go down. In order to get cap space of any significant amount above the MLE, we'll probably have to waive Outlaw and/or Blake...

Our hands will not be tied this summer, but this is almost certainly a high water mark in terms of assets we have.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

But one of the appealing aspects of RLEC is the insurance covering his contract, which you lose this summer. The Blazers aren't the only team with an expiring contract, but they are one of the only teams with an expiring contract that is covered by insurance.

Great. Then it's the Blazers who are saving money on that contract right now, and they will have even more cashflow after keeping RLEC until it expires. Plus insurance is paying Ruffin's puny contract. Seems fiscally sound to me.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nah -- I'm letting Charlotte and New Jersey stew for awhile. (Or is that "bake"?)

Haha, funny

I think the word you are looking for char.

 

[PapaG]

Frye is going to be useless as a trade piece this summer... right now he's an expiring deal of a decent size. This summer we'd have to deal with cap holds and/or re-signing him at a higher price.

Further, the salary cap is probably going to go down. In order to get cap space of any significant amount above the MLE, we'll probably have to waive Outlaw and/or Blake...

Our hands will not be tied this summer, but this is almost certainly a high water mark in terms of assets we have.

Ed O.

Could be in normal economic times, but these aren't normal times, and the biggest asset the Blazers have has an apartment at the top of the Rose Garden.