Abdur-Rahim Trade to New York Imminent?

[Martin]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Portland Trail Blazers resigning of Darius Miles created a significant problem at the two forward positions. Zach Randolph is their power forward and will be so for a very long time, leaving Shareef Abdur-Rahim, who feels most comfortable at power forward, in tweener limbo.The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that the New York Knicks would be more than willing to take Abdur-Rahim. Abdur-Rahim has only one year left on his contract, though it is a significant $14.6 million.

Isiah Thomas would likely trade Kurt Thomas or Allan Houston in return. </div>

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This trade would be great for both teams as New York could get rid of Allan Houston's big fat contract and get a great PF in return.Portland could get more than a decent SG in Houston.I really hope NY will trade Houston not Thomas.

 

[hagrid]

While I'm not going to register to the Orlando Sentinel to read thier story, I'm quite annoyed at thier lack of journalistic integrity.

There's nothing I've seen that's been confirmed on this matter. Only that NY would love to have Reef.

There are at least a dozen teams that would love to also, so why is the fact that NY is interested mean that a deal is Immenent?

The supposition is ludircous and detracts from the papers integrity.

 

[SunshineRain]

I've been critical of Zeke, but if he can get Rahim for Houston and his
huge bag, it would be great! Kurt Thomas wouldn't work unless more
parts were thrown in, and I can't imagine why Portland would want him
there. Tim Thomas is more equivalent salary wise.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

This trade would be nothing short of miraculous. I never checked the Orlando-Sentinel for Knicks articles or write-ups.


I will analyze this trade in GREAT detail if it happens.

Let's just say I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[Henacy]

Well, I really think this would be a very nice move for the Knicks if they dont give up Kurt Thomas. I think Kurt Thomas along with Shareef would be very effective along the frontline for the Knicks. Kurt Thomas would be the guy to guard the better 4's & 5's because he is a better on ball defender in the post then Reef. But like Hagrid said I think we need more comfrimation to this article. But if the Knicks can send Allan Houston to Portland without giving up much more, then I like the deal for the Knicks.


Maybe something like Shareef & Derek Anderson for Allan Houston, Nazr Mohammad & a future 2nd round pick. The Knicks lose Mohammad(who's size could help them in the starting lineup) but its worth it to get rid of some of that large salary they have invested in their backcourt.

The Knicks would get Reef a 18ppg scorer on their frontline and Derek Anderson, who has been receptive to a 6th man role in the past, which opens up the door for Crawford to move into the starting lineup, when Lenny Wilkens wants to put him there. And also Anderson gives them a good perimeter defensive player who offense is good enuff to warrant him being apart of the everyday lineup. Shandon Anderson is good defensive but the offense is a liablity when he is on the court. So D. Anderson can take over the role as the Knicks primary perimeter defender without hampering them offensively.

That would leave the Knicks with a rotation of..

PG- Steph
SG-Crawford
SF- Tim Thomas
PF-Shareef
C- Kurt Thomas

Bench

PG/SF- Penny Hardaway
SG- Derek Anderson
PF- Mike Sweetny
F- Jerome Williams
PF/C- Vin Baker

Rounding out the bench..

Shandon Anderson
Moochie Norris
Jamison Brewer

I really like this Knicks rotation much better with D.Anderson and Reef apart of it. Kurt Thomas going back to playing a undersized Center does concern me, especially if the Knicks were to run into a team like the Heat, down the line in the playoffs. But against the other top teams in the east(excluding the heat of course) including the pistons, I think with the addition of Reef, this frontline can contend against those teams frontlines. The Knicks would have solid depth on their frontline, guys who are aggressive on the boards, but can also put the ball in the basket.

As for the Blazers, they get the shooter needed to stretch the defense for Zach Randolph down low, having a inside-out combination capable of combing for 40pts a game, would help to put them a step closer to getting back to the playoffs. And Nazr adds defense when Raliff isnt in the game to control the paint. Zach Randolph isnt the best defender in the world yet, so with Ratliff & Nazr in the paint, Randolph will never hardly have to guard the to bigmen in the west those two would take that pressure off of him. Both additions of Nazr and Allan Houston really benefit the growth of Randolph.

 

[Mr. J]

I think that if the Knicks can pull off a trade like this it means that we have a <u>long shot</u> at making it to the conference finals. Shareef Abdur-Rahim will provide us with the post presence we need and we have Crawford and Marbury on the perimeter. That is if Houston is in the deal. If he's not we will have an even better perimeter presense with Houston. Either way by getting Abdur-Rahim it will be a plus for us

 

[onetwo88]

I'd love to add abdur-rahim. I think he's overrated, though. He doesn't seem to help any team win. But he's still a step up for the NYK frontcourt since he can score and no one else can. But Kurt is tougher than him and does the dirty work that he doesn't, so it's not a clear victory...

 

[6thman]

Are you crazy?
we don't have to trade Houston for Shareef!
If we give H2O, there will be a lack of shooters( only stephon, crawford who are very unconsistent and Penny!!!!) but we'd get one more PF!!!
OK if we trade for Thomas but not for Houston!!!

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 6thman:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you crazy?
we don't have to trade Houston for Shareef!
If we give H2O, there will be a lack of shooters( only stephon, crawford who are very unconsistent and Penny!!!!) but we'd get one more PF!!!
OK if we trade for Thomas but not for Houston!!!</div>

I understand what you are saying the Knicks would definately be in the hole with their perimeter shooting. Thats why I like a deal of extending a trade to add Derek Anderson as well. He isnt close to the shooter H20 is but, he has a good mid-range shot and can do some other things to make up for the loss of Houston.

Anyway the main reason the Knicks have to let H20 go in this deal is to releive some of that extreme payroll in the backcourt.

Allan Houston- 17.5 million
Penny - 14.6 million
Steph-14.6 million
S. Anderson- 7.3 million
Jamal Crawford-5.8 million
Moochie Norris-3.8 million

Thats over 60 million ivested in the Knicks backcourt for this year alone.And its only going to get much worst in years to come because Crawford, Steph, and Houston hasnt even got into the fat part of their contacts yet. And Anderson contact gets bigger as well if Iam correct. I know seeing the Knicks under cap is years off, but if you have a chance to cut a guy who will be making over 20 million in a couple of years for a guy who contract is over at the end of the season, you have to jump all over it imo. Even if the Knicks dont re-sign Shareef next year just the fact of getting rid of H20's contract, makes the deal a plus for them.

The Knicks wont be a great jump shooting team but they will have plenty of people who can score, Marbury, Crawford, Reef, and Tim Thomas, Derek Anderson(if he is included). So Lenny Wilkens would have to get the rotation together where it would benefit all their games.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 6thman:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you crazy?
we don't have to trade Houston for Shareef!
If we give H2O, there will be a lack of shooters( only stephon, crawford who are very unconsistent and Penny!!!!) but we'd get one more PF!!!
OK if we trade for Thomas but not for Houston!!!</div>
Ask yourself the same question.

(Or were you kidding?)

Good job at nailing him for me, Henacy. I wasn't around.

 

[Jurassic]

You guys would really be willing to give up Allan Houston for SAR?

 

[SunshineRain]

Since Houston is probably the most overpaid player in the NBA, and the Knicks
could actually get something back for him, it's an easy call. Trading Houston would
be like trading Grant Hill, normally you'd have to take a bunch of crap back just
to get someone to take his contract.

 

[6thman]

Hummmmmm? not i'm not crazy

knick analyst

No it's just the fact that we'd lose a very good shooter and that we don't have much of them!! Like Henacy said, if derek anderson was involved then it would be great!!!

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys would really be willing to give up Allan Houston for SAR?</div>In a HEARTBEAT. Getting rid of his contract is every Knicks fans DREAM!

 

[sneballa7]

Yea this would be a good Pickup plus Houstan is getting old and more injury prone

 

[KBC]

Speaking from the Blazers point of view, I hope this doesn't happen, because then we would have the gargantuon contract, lol.

 

[Ma3oxuct]

Indeed, the Blazers are the third most slarary-giving team. They have trimmed the 'rool with the Wallace trade, but are still trying to trim, trim, trim. Looking at the Knicks' contracts, there is no one that could provide salary relief to the blazers...I have to say: All of the Knicks' pawns are dead.

 

[Mr. J]

Penny Hardaway, Nazr Mohammed and Tim Thomas' contracts all expire next season so the Blazers might be willing to exchange some of those expiring contracts for Abdur-Rahim.

 

[GjonC]

The knicks blazers trade seems to look like a correct trade to me, both teams would get what they want!
oh yeah, just adding, this sundov guy? we need someone alil more better at c!

 

[Ma3oxuct]

Actually, TT's contract is not up until 2006/7 season, next season he is going to be earning 13.9 Million, whereas SAR is going to be getting $0 if Port does not resign him. Same story with Hardaway except he will earn 15.75 Million. Nazr is not enought to trade to Port, he earns about 5 Million, you need to add another 6 million atleast, inorder to have a matching value for SAR. Shandon Anderson could be that one, but the Blazers are not that ignorant, they rather have an unhappy big man off the bench who can start incase somone gets injured.

 

[Mr. J]

Actually, TT's contract is not up until 2006/7 season, next season he is going to be earning 13.9 Million, whereas SAR is going to be getting $0 if Port does not resign him. Same story with Hardaway except he will earn 15.75 Million. Nazr is not enought to trade to Port, he earns about 5 Million, you need to add another 6 million atleast, inorder to have a matching value for SAR. Shandon Anderson could be that one, but the Blazers are not that ignorant, they rather have an unhappy big man off the bench who can start incase somone gets injured.

Sorry I got that info from realgm.com

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, TT's contract is not up until 2006/7 season, next season he is going to be earning 13.9 Million, whereas SAR is going to be getting $0 if Port does not resign him. Same story with Hardaway except he will earn 15.75 Million. Nazr is not enought to trade to Port, he earns about 5 Million, you need to add another 6 million atleast, inorder to have a matching value for SAR. Shandon Anderson could be that one, but the Blazers are not that ignorant, they rather have an unhappy big man off the bench who can start incase somone gets injured.
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Sorry I miscaculated their contracts my bad

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, TT's contract is not up until 2006/7 season, next season he is going to be earning 13.9 Million, whereas SAR is going to be getting $0 if Port does not resign him. Same story with Hardaway except he will earn 15.75 Million. Nazr is not enought to trade to Port, he earns about 5 Million, you need to add another 6 million atleast, inorder to have a matching value for SAR. Shandon Anderson could be that one, but the Blazers are not that ignorant, they rather have an unhappy big man off the bench who can start incase somone gets injured.</div>

I miscaculated their contracts my fault

 

[grinder333]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 6thman:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you crazy?
we don't have to trade Houston for Shareef!
If we give H2O, there will be a lack of shooters( only stephon, crawford who are very unconsistent and Penny!!!!) but we'd get one more PF!!!
OK if we trade for Thomas but not for Houston!!!</div>


Yeah if Houston only had 1 leg left I still don't trade him. I know he's making WAY too much money, but remember that the Knicks practically print the stuff anyway. This particular trade especially doesn't make sense to me. You get rid of Houston to bring in another small forward when the Knicks already have Hardaway, Anderson and Williams playing that position. Houston can come off the bench with bad knees and play behind Crawford at the 2. New York by the way is the only place a bench player is allowed to make between 17 and 20 million dollars a year.

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting grinder333:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah if Houston only had 1 leg left I still don't trade him. I know he's making WAY too much money, but remember that the Knicks practically print the stuff anyway. This particular trade especially doesn't make sense to me. You get rid of Houston to bring in another small forward when the Knicks already have Hardaway, Anderson and Williams playing that position. Houston can come off the bench with bad knees and play behind Crawford at the 2. New York by the way is the only place a bench player is allowed to make between 17 and 20 million dollars a year.

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1) Reef has made it pretty clear he is a 4 and is only willing to play the 4 spot. That is the main reason why Portland is looking to move him, because he isnt willing to switch positions. So if he came to the Knicks he would be a 4.

2) If Allan Houston does stay with the Knicks, I doubt he would be the one coming off the bench, more likely Crawford for at least this season.

3) Your last statement (which you even found funny) is exactly the reason Allan Houston needs to be on the 1st plane out of here as fast as possible, while like I said Houston will likely start, their is no need for the Knicks to keep a one- demisional guard, with shakey knees at 20 mill a year if they have a chance to get rid of him.

How often do you think a team will come along that may actually be willing to take Allan Houston's expensive services off the Knicks hands? Well I can answer that for you, not very often. In fact this might be the best offer the Knicks may ever get for Houston, they have to jump on it, no if's, and's, or but's.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">How often do you think a team will come along that may actually be willing to take Allan Houston's expensive services off the Knicks hands? Well I can answer that for you, not very often. In fact this might be the best offer the Knicks may ever get for Houston, they have to jump on it, no if's, and's, or but's.</div>
Exactly. Getting rid of his horrible contract is the dream of Knicks fans everywhere. To get Abdur-Rahim in return makes it even more pleasing. I just hope it happens, because no matter how much speculation there is, we still have no idea what can happen, which builds tension for the media to feed off of. That's why we get these rumors, it's impossible for us to seperate the truth from the false, but you can determine HIGHLY unlikely to likely, this trade is more likely than not.

 

[grinder333]

Yeah ok I just mentioned Houston coming off the bench because I somehow see him as a cripple nowadays with those bad knees. So Houston starts at the 2 and Crawford comes in and releaves him and plays a little bit of 1 as well. Thats a pretty good guard rotation when you throw Hardaway and Moochie in there.

I will break down and suppose that yes Abdur-Rahim could start at the 4 and K. Thomas could come off the bench. My whole reason for not liking this trade is I like watching K. Thomas start because he's a tough player and he's improved so much over the last few years to the point I felt he should be starting. Oh and I LOVE watching Alan Houston shoot. I could never trade a player that can hit the J like he can. He could be in a wheel-chair and I'd have him out there.

 

[BigfnJoe96]

I pull the trigger on this deal if Derek Anderson is part of the trade. He can add help @ 2 positions. (PG & SG) He's young & he's explosive. Exactly what Isiah wants. Man the knicks would be a real threat if this deal includes Derek Anderson.