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Orion Bailey said:
i don't agree with either but one was in response to the other. Antifa showed up first with violent agendas. So the right wingers came out of the woods in. response.
Again i dont agree with wither groups’ tactics
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Source? Please show me the first antifa protest and how it was before the first white supremacist rally?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Whos paying all those fees? Through taxation? So someone who has littlecto no health issues has to pY an inflated tax to offset the regular health needs of some who care not to take care of themselves?

yeah ive said this before, so i have provided reasons. You may not agree but there are plenty of people out there who will push back on universal this and that.


The reLity to me is there will never be a universal anything because not everyone requires the same things and its simply not right to force one person to pay into a system to help another person because they dont want to work or dont want to ear healthy, etc.


this is a fundamental left vs right conflict. But now with the left basically trying to force universal everything, the right will push back. If the left pushes back again… war.

yeah its not simple like that but i don't have the time to address every single detail as again its all complicated aNd takes a series of events.


Look at texas. Look at Eastern oregon.

People are dividing and drawing lines more and more.

The current path will lead to war.
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No, you're already paying it. There is no increase (in this hypothetical scenario in which we duplicate Canada's healthcare system exactly). Our govement already spends more per person on Healthcare than Canada.

No increase needed.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No, you're already paying it. There is no increase. Our govement already spends more per person on Healthcare than Canada.

No increase needed.
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but yet somehow we dont all have universal everything. Might be because the numbers dont add up?

Canada has no military spending they require little defensive spending. Of course they have money to put elsewhere.
 
And before anyone says we dont need military spending either. Canada doesn't have terrorists running planes into their skyscrapers.

Canada is a poor example because thier needs differ Considerably from ours. Which actually backs my stance that not everyone is equal and needs equal things. But yet we want to force this equal rationing out. Sorry. Been tried before. Talk to people in russia who had family stand in lines in snow for bread.
 
Orion Bailey said:
but yet somehow we dont all have universal everything. Might be because the numbers dont add up?

Canada has no military spending they require little defensive spending. Of course they have money to put elsewhere.
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This is not logical. We're not talking about other spending. Each Canadian spends less on government healthcare than each American spends on government healthcare. You spend more on government healthcare than ANY Canadian spends on government healthcare.

They aren't spending more. They are spending less.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/283221/per-capita-health-expenditure-by-country/
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is not logical. We're not talking about other spending. Each Canadian spends less on government healthcare than each American spends on government healthcare. You spend more on government healthcare than ANY Canadian spends on government healthcare.

They aren't spending more. They are spending less.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/283221/per-capita-health-expenditure-by-country/
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each person spends less because the government subsidies the balance correct? So the government is spending more to offset the costs but they can spend more because the don't spend on defense.
How is that illogical?
Sorry cant click on the link right now.
 
Orion Bailey said:
And before anyone says we dont need military spending either. Canada doesn't have terrorists running planes into their skyscrapers.

Canada is a poor example because thier needs differ Considerably from ours. Which actually backs my stance that not everyone is equal and needs equal things. But yet we want to force this equal rationing out. Sorry. Been tried before. Talk to people in russia who had family stand in lines in snow for bread.
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Military is not part of this conversation. Other than our vets would get better, more affordable, healthcare if we adopted Canada's system...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Military is not part of this conversation. Other than our vets would get better, more affordable, healthcare if we adopted Canada's system...
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but spending is and military is a cost so it must be a factor in the equation of what can be afforded. If not we are basing everything off of imagination because it isnt reality.
Not sure how one can exclude the military when discussing costs of things.
 
Orion Bailey said:
each person spends less because the government subsidies the balance correct? So the government is spending more to offset the costs but they can spend more because the don't spend on defense.
How is that illogical?
Sorry cant click on the link right now.
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No. The Canadian government spends less per capita on government healthcare than the US spends per capita on government healthcare. Look at the link. It's broken up by public and private spending. The US government spends more per capita on government healthcare than Canada spends per capita on government healthcare. And in Canada, everybody is covered by that government healthcare.
 
Orion Bailey said:
but spending is and military is a cost so it must be a factor in the equation of what can be afforded. If not we are basing everything off of imagination because it isnt reality.
Not sure how one can exclude the military when discussing costs of things.
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There is no military money involved in this conversation. However, if the US had Canada's system we could theoretically spend even MORE on military without increasing the overall budget.
 
Orion Bailey said:
And before anyone says we dont need military spending either. Canada doesn't have terrorists running planes into their skyscrapers.

Canada is a poor example because thier needs differ Considerably from ours. Which actually backs my stance that not everyone is equal and needs equal things. But yet we want to force this equal rationing out. Sorry. Been tried before. Talk to people in russia who had family stand in lines in snow for bread.
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This is a complete misunderstanding, he’s arguing for universal insurance which works. There’s even an example of it working here in the US, it’s called medicare.
 
Orion Bailey said:
i don't agree with either but one was in response to the other. Antifa showed up first with violent agendas. So the right wingers came out of the woods in. response.
Again i dont agree with wither groups’ tactics
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Did any of your family fight in WWII?

If so, they are literally more ANTIFA than anyone today. They literally went and WARRED with the fascists.

Literally KILLED them. So, you don't even seem to know what ANTIFA is...
 
Phatguysrule said:
No. The Canadian government spends less per capita on government healthcare than the US spends per capita on government healthcare. Look at the link. It's broken up by public and private spending. The US government spends more per capita on government healthcare than Canada spends per capita on government healthcare. And in Canada, everybody is covered by that government healthcare.
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ill check the link out tonight. Is it possible that Canadians live a different lifestyle and take better care of themselves? Whats the obesity rate of Canada vs us?

Voodoo said:
This is a complete misunderstanding, he’s arguing for universal insurance which works. There’s even an example of it working here in the US, it’s called medicare.
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medicare has long been a debate of success vs failure. Remove the words over 65 and some believe it will work.
However many dont. Everyone pays into medicare now but only 65 and over get to use it. I don't see how we can remove those words to have it pay for all without a substantial increase in costs.

point being Russia tried to divide all good ls and services equally and the country went into poverty in less than 50 years.
 
Phatguysrule said:
There is no military money involved in this conversation. However, if the US had Canada's system we could theoretically spend even MORE on military without increasing the overall budget.
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HWHAT??? Bro...

We spend more on the military than the largest 10 countries combined....
 
dviss1 said:
Did any of your family fight in WWII?

If so, they are literally more ANTIFA than anyone today. They literally went and WARRED with the fascists.

Literally KILLED them. So, you don't even seem to know what ANTIFA is...
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come on D. I know exactly what it is.
Doesnt change the fact they started violent protests here over a fascism that doesnt currently exist here . But are fine using violent demonstrations to protest against fascism.
 
dviss1 said:
Did any of your family fight in WWII?

If so, they are literally more ANTIFA than anyone today. They literally went and WARRED with the fascists.

Literally KILLED them. So, you don't even seem to know what ANTIFA is...
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so when antifa violently block intersections all those they are detering are fascists??
The people just trying to get to or home from work are fascists? Cause that's where i see antifa focusing thier protests. Not on the capital lawn but in the streets against innocent people.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well, you actually responded to me. Don't tell me I can't have a grievence against policing in America because of the color of my skin.

That's divisive and it's incredibly counterproductive to getting the change you claim to want.

If you want to try to silence my advocating for improving things you can go fuck yourself.

On the other hand, if you actually want to have a discussion about how to make improvements I'm game.
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Imma really need you to quite blaming my response to AMERICA'S divisiveness on me.
NEVER tell the oppressed how to respond to oppression you'd never feel. Also, you say we're your people...

Out of the 197 straight days of protest I was there for more than 160 of them. Honest truth, were you in these streets with us?

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Orion Bailey said:
come on D. I know exactly what it is.
Doesnt change the fact they started violent protests here over a fascism that doesnt currently exist here . But are fine using violent demonstrations to protest against fascism.
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Yes, fascism does currently exist here, and the police are part of it.
 
Orion Bailey said:
so when antifa violently block intersections all those they are detering are fascists??
The people just trying to get to or home from work are fascists? Cause that's where i see antifa focusing thier protests. Not on the capital lawn but in the streets against innocent people.
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You know what pisses me off the most J... YOU WERE NEVER THERE.

You didn't see shit first hand. You have zero clue of what happened on the ground and it's fucking irritating to hear you speak on this like you have foremost knowledge. But you know what??? I guarantee you know someone who came down and sprayed bear spray at us. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts you know some of these flag waving, jingoist racists... They live in your town... And just so you know...

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

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Black Lives Matter protesters march through Manhattan on August 24 following the shooting of a Black man by a White police officer in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

Spencer Platt—Getty Images
BY SANYA MANSOOR

SEPTEMBER 5, 2020 11:47 AM EDT
The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.

The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22.

Their report states that more than 2,400 locations reported peaceful protests, while fewer than 220 reported “violent demonstrations.” The authors define

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The ACLED report includes protests toppling statues of “colonial figures, slave owners and Confederate leaders” as violent incidents. “Since Floyd’s killing, there have been at least 38 incidents in which demonstrators have significantly damaged or torn down memorials around the country,” the report states.

Still, many people continue to believe that Black Lives Matter protests are largely violent—contrary to the report’s findings. ACLED highlights a recent Morning Consult poll in which 42% of respondents believe “most protesters (associated with the BLM movement) are trying to incite violence or destroy property.” ACLED suggests this “disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing… such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations.”

U.S.-based ACLED is funded by the State Department’s Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations as well as foreign governments and other organizations, including the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the German Federal Foreign Office, the Tableau Foundation, the International Organization for Migration, and The University of Texas at Austin. It relied on data collection from the U.S. Crisis Monitor—a joint project led by ACLED and Princeton University’s Bridging Divides Initiative—that tracks and publishes real-time data on political violence and demonstrations in the U.S in order to “establish an evidence base from which to identify risks, hotspots and available resources to empower local communities in times of crisis.”

ACLED also highlights a “violent government response,” in which authorities “use force more often than not” when they are present at protests and that they “disproportionately used force while intervening in demonstrations associated with the BLM movement, relative to other types of demonstrations.” The report also references “dozens of car-ramming attacks” on protesters by various individuals, some of whom have ties to hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan.

ACLED warns in the report that the U.S. “is at heightened risk of political violence and instability going into the 2020 general election,” citing trends in mass shootings, violent hate crimes and police killings. The authors of the report say the Trump administration has exacerbated tensions caused by racial inequality and police brutality. President Donald Trump and high-ranking members of his administration have frequently generalized protesters as violent anarchists.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes, fascism does currently exist here, and the police are part of it.
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we are nOt a fascist country.
Guess what? Lots of things exist here that many people may disagree with. It doesnt mean the country follows it, is founded by it or is made up of it.

nazis still exist too but were not a nazi country
 
Orion Bailey said:
now you left out the word protest. Lol.

again. Antifa came to portland with VIOLENT PROTESTS which drew the right wingers out of the woods.
The baptist church bombing wasnt a protest. It was an act of terror.
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Respectfully, you don't know WTF you're talking about.
 
Orion Bailey said:
we are nOt a fascist country.
Guess what? Lots of things exist here that many people may disagree with. It doesnt mean the country follows it, is founded by it or is made up of it.

nazis still exist too but were not a nazi country
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You don't seem to know what fascism is. And you got your head in a hole right now.
The term Fascism was coined by Benito Mussolini. He literally wrote the book on it.
MAYBE you should read it... Because you sound foolish fumbling around in the dark on it's definition.

Facism is when the corporations control the state. What's happening in our country RIGHT THE FUCK NOW...

Corporations are running our government.
 
dviss1 said:
You know what pisses me off the most J... YOU WERE NEVER THERE.

You didn't see shit first hand. You have zero clue of what happened on the ground and it's fucking irritating to hear you speak on this like you have foremost knowledge. But you know what??? I guarantee you know someone who came down and sprayed bear spray at us. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts you know some of these flag waving, jingoist racists... They live in your town... And just so you know...

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

black-lives-matter-protests.jpg

Black Lives Matter protesters march through Manhattan on August 24 following the shooting of a Black man by a White police officer in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

Spencer Platt—Getty Images
BY SANYA MANSOOR

SEPTEMBER 5, 2020 11:47 AM EDT
The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.

The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22.

Their report states that more than 2,400 locations reported peaceful protests, while fewer than 220 reported “violent demonstrations.” The authors define

OBA_TRANS.png

The ACLED report includes protests toppling statues of “colonial figures, slave owners and Confederate leaders” as violent incidents. “Since Floyd’s killing, there have been at least 38 incidents in which demonstrators have significantly damaged or torn down memorials around the country,” the report states.

Still, many people continue to believe that Black Lives Matter protests are largely violent—contrary to the report’s findings. ACLED highlights a recent Morning Consult poll in which 42% of respondents believe “most protesters (associated with the BLM movement) are trying to incite violence or destroy property.” ACLED suggests this “disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing… such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations.”

U.S.-based ACLED is funded by the State Department’s Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations as well as foreign governments and other organizations, including the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the German Federal Foreign Office, the Tableau Foundation, the International Organization for Migration, and The University of Texas at Austin. It relied on data collection from the U.S. Crisis Monitor—a joint project led by ACLED and Princeton University’s Bridging Divides Initiative—that tracks and publishes real-time data on political violence and demonstrations in the U.S in order to “establish an evidence base from which to identify risks, hotspots and available resources to empower local communities in times of crisis.”

ACLED also highlights a “violent government response,” in which authorities “use force more often than not” when they are present at protests and that they “disproportionately used force while intervening in demonstrations associated with the BLM movement, relative to other types of demonstrations.” The report also references “dozens of car-ramming attacks” on protesters by various individuals, some of whom have ties to hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan.

ACLED warns in the report that the U.S. “is at heightened risk of political violence and instability going into the 2020 general election,” citing trends in mass shootings, violent hate crimes and police killings. The authors of the report say the Trump administration has exacerbated tensions caused by racial inequality and police brutality. President Donald Trump and high-ranking members of his administration have frequently generalized protesters as violent anarchists.
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so the video footage i saw was fake?
 
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