OT ACAB All Cops Are Bastards (yes EVERY one)

[riverman]

My cousin and several other irish americans in my family are cops and firemen...sort of a tradition but you have to expect that a job that gives you power over people , handcuffs, tasers, clubs and guns with bulletproof vests and cages in the back of their cars will attract some sadistic fuckers to the profession....all cops are not bad but way too many are. My cousin is the nicest cop you'd ever meet...gentle giant. Played basketball with me on the high school team..he means no harm to anybody.That does not water down the right of black americans to mistrust or dislike the cops and what they've represented to them in a racially profiled, unfair country that has never stopped the "guilty if you're black until proven innocent" culture in many police districts.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I never said all cops should have the benefit of the doubt, but they shouldn't all be prejudged guilty when many have never before been in a controversial incident.

Like I said, giving even ONE the benefit of the doubt is counterproductive to what needs to happen.

Hence, ACAB.

 

[Natebishop3]

Part of the problem. Ex military should not be able to be police. They are trained to kill, they are violent, and mentally unstable.

Pay them retirement. They are back from duty. Their career is done.

While I agree with you, I'm just stating that it will be a major pushback and problem.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Seriously though, why would anyone want to be a cop? Everyone hates you. Even if you're actually a good person, people call you a bastard and shit on you. I wouldn't want that job.

you just described Sly and his moderator duties….

 

[Natebishop3]

you just described Sly and his moderator duties….

Sly only comes here to re-post memes and farm likes...... oh.... and get free seats at Blazer games lol

 

[jonnyboy]

There should be mandatory degree requirements, just like any other fucking job that means anything.

Yes, incentivizing universities to hand out more worthless degrees is the answer.

I don’t know what’s funnier, the idea that a profession as mindless as law enforcement would require a degree, or the idea that having a degree is the benchmark for a meaningful career in the year 2021.

You may want to ask a few bartenders and waitstaff how their liberal arts, psychology or business management degrees are paying off.

 

[theprunetang]

Yes, incentivizing universities to hand out more worthless degrees is the answer.

I don’t know what’s funnier, the idea that a profession as mindless as law enforcement would require a degree, or the idea that having a degree is the benchmark for a meaningful career in the year 2021.

You may want to ask a few bartenders and waitstaff how their liberal arts, psychology or business management degrees are paying off.

First of all, I hate the American education system we have in place, with a passion. It elevates those with an inherent financial advantage and forces everyone else into severe crippling debt. But, if every other job requires this, why shouldn't policing? Consider it a litmus test of whether or not someone is intelligent enough to wield THAT amount of power fairly and with empathy. It could be a separate program, like that of nursing. 2 to 3 years of training in aid, psychology, first aid, mental health, racial studies etc. What we don't need is meat heads and toxic chuds being fast tracked into positions of complete power.

Now, if you want to change how the education system works, for all of us, I am 100% down to have that conversation. But, under the current paradigm, there should absolutely be schooling/ degree requirements for policing. If it takes a 4 year degree to be a fucking office worker, we should not be giving out free passes for these very delicate professions. And others have mentioned, ex military should be provided schooling for free to make sure they are ready for a civil job.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Yes, incentivizing universities to hand out more worthless degrees is the answer.

I don’t know what’s funnier, the idea that a profession as mindless as law enforcement would require a degree, or the idea that having a degree is the benchmark for a meaningful career in the year 2021.

You may want to ask a few bartenders and waitstaff how their liberal arts, psychology or business management degrees are paying off.

My two business degrees are paying off very well.

 

[jonnyboy]

you'd be amazed at how much a psychology or business degree pay off in both of those professions....I've been a licensed bartender in the state of Oregon.I got a mixology degree..you deal with some whack jobs tending bar...I worked the micro brew festivals and wine festivals summers around here for years but those aren't mindless professions....work a busy restaurant on a shift and tell me how good your short term memory and math skills come into play...college doesn't magically make you good at a job...it helps you learn how to obtain those skills needed in life and work...it's not about the degree...it's about the knowledge and how to apply it...served most people I know very, very well in life. Not everyone uses education for actual education...choices Some people buy an expensive guitar and never play it...but they have an expensive guitar.

I know there are plenty of legitimate degrees and varying levels of how they are implemented. There are professions where you simply couldn’t perform the needed tasks without the necessary education, absolutely. But I disagree with the notion that every person who ran out and got a degree is performing some essential job that is a tier above everyone else. It’s just not the case. It’s really just a short sighted and elitist notion. I’ve worked with people in my field who were at the same level as me, but they had an air about them that suggested their degree ( that was irrelevant to our line of work) was enough to set them apart. It’s a rude awakening for many of these people when they get circles run around them by people who have out in the hours and built up a work ethic that they simply can’t contend with.

 

[jonnyboy]

First of all, I hate the American education system we have in place, with a passion. It elevates those with an inherent financial advantage and forces everyone else into severe crippling debt. But, if every other job requires this, why shouldn't policing? Consider it a litmus test of whether or not someone is intelligent enough to wield THAT amount of power fairly and with empathy. It could be a separate program, like that of nursing. 2 to 3 years of training in aid, psychology, first aid, mental health, racial studies etc. What we don't need is meat heads and toxic chuds being fast tracked into positions of complete power.

Now, if you want to change how the education system works, for all of us, I am 100% down to have that conversation. But, under the current paradigm, there should absolutely be schooling/ degree requirements for policing. If it takes a 4 year degree to be a fucking office worker, we should not be giving out free passes for these very delicate professions. And others have mentioned, ex military should be provided schooling for free to make sure they are ready for a civil job.

I definitely agree there needs to be much more extensive training for police. I don’t know if simply having a degree is the answer. But maybe if there was a degree designed specifically around policing, with those areas you mentioned being covered, I could definitely get on board with that. Maybe I misinterpreted your original post, it seemed like it was placing more emphasis on simply just having a degree of any kind. I personally think that mentality is damaging, and putting alot of young people in unnecessary debt.

 

[theprunetang]

I definitely agree there needs to be much more extensive training for police. I don’t know if simply having a degree is the answer. But maybe if there was a degree designed specifically around policing, with those areas you mentioned being covered, I could definitely get on board with that. Maybe I misinterpreted your original post, it seemed like it was placing more emphasis on simply just having a degree of any kind. I personally think that mentality is damaging, and putting alot of young people in unnecessary debt.

Understandable. I am for a specific law enforcement degree with very specific classes. Of course there would be some basic core classes as well, like rudimentary math, language, etc. But, like a nursing degree, would cater to the specific trade of law enforcement.

 

[ABM]

I definitely agree there needs to be much more extensive training for police. I don’t know if simply having a degree is the answer....

This whole debacle started here.....

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yes, incentivizing universities to hand out more worthless degrees is the answer.

I don’t know what’s funnier, the idea that a profession as mindless as law enforcement would require a degree, or the idea that having a degree is the benchmark for a meaningful career in the year 2021.

You may want to ask a few bartenders and waitstaff how their liberal arts, psychology or business management degrees are paying off.

"Mindlessly" enforcing the law is also huge part of the problem. Most situations do not require the use of force. Currently we mindlessly apply force and punishment to every law enforcement situation.

That's not effective, hence it's not acceptable.

 

[jonnyboy]

Understandable. I am for a specific law enforcement degree with very specific classes. Of course there would be some basic core classes as well, like rudimentary math, language, etc. But, like a nursing degree, would cater to the specific trade of law enforcement.

My good friend’s dad used to own the ambulance service in one of the larger (lol) towns here in Wyoming. He fought for YEARS to make it mandatory for the local police to be CPR/First Aid certified. Apparently there aren’t many departments around the country that require this. The police fought against it hard and my buddy’s dad was more or less ostracized by the the time it was all said and done (he didn’t succeed).
What a bunch of fucking babies. Police are literally first responders, they may be on the scene before EMTs in many cases, and they fought tooth and nail to avoid a one day training session. I’ve had to take CPR/first aid MULTIPLE times just to be able to step onto oilfield or mining projects and these babies can’t make the time to learn a couple skills that DIRECTLY apply to their job. It’s crazy something like that wouldn’t be required universally across the country.

 

[ABM]

My good friend’s dad used to own the ambulance service in one of the larger (lol) towns here in Wyoming. He fought for YEARS to make it mandatory for the local police to be CPR/First Aid certified. Apparently there aren’t many departments around the country that require this. The police fought against it hard and my buddy’s dad was more or less ostracized by the the time it was all said and done (he didn’t succeed).
What a bunch of fucking babies. Police are literally first responders, they may be on the scene before EMTs in many cases, and they fought tooth and nail to avoid a one day training session. I’ve had to take CPR/first aid MULTIPLE times just to be able to step onto oilfield or mining projects and these babies can’t make the time to learn a couple skills that DIRECTLY apply to their job. It’s crazy something like that wouldn’t be required universally across the country.

Sounds like a union issue(?)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

you just described Sly and his moderator duties….

The mods here are more like firefighters than cops. We try to stop problems, not police for them.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Police Say Demoralized Officers Are Quitting In Droves. Labor Data Says No.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The mods here are more like firefighters than cops. We try to stop problems, not police for them.

wait, what?

 

[Chris Craig]

wait, what?

Sly is just admiting he pees on fire hydrants

 

[HailBlazers]

Police Say Demoralized Officers Are Quitting In Droves. Labor Data Says No.

Oh their still "working," they've just quit actual policing.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Oh their still "working," they've just quit actual policing.

Which gives even more weight to the protesters complaints...

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

My cousin’s son is a member of the Tigard Police Department. Supposedly they have been told they no longer have to do traffic stops……..or respond to calls for assistance (from minorities in particular) because of the potential for escalation (for lack of a better term). Supposedly, regardless of how valid a reason there might be for pulling someone over, in today’s climate people are too quick to play either the police misconduct card or the race card. And current times require they be investigated, regardless of validity. The time and effort required to deal with that kind of bullshit doesn’t recoup the cost of the citation. So they keep the cops free and available for the “serious” stuff. I have no real clue how accurate this info might be, but my cousin swears it is so……

 

[Orion Bailey]

My cousin’s son is a member of the Tigard Police Department. Supposedly they have been told they no longer have to do traffic stops……..or respond to calls for assistance (from minorities in particular) because of the potential for escalation (for lack of a better term). Supposedly, regardless of how valid a reason there might be for pulling someone over, in today’s climate people are too quick to play either the police misconduct card or the race card. And current times require they be investigated, regardless of validity. The time and effort required to deal with that kind of bullshit doesn’t recoup the cost of the citation. So they keep the cops free and available for the “serious” stuff. I have no real clue how accurate this info might be, but my cousin swears it is so……

roads verify it. People driving worse than ever with no regard to potentially getting pulled over.

 

[THE HCP]

Growing up in NE Portland, I saw how police treated my friends when we were young....... in spite of this, I joined the Army and became a Military Policeman. Didn't become a civilian cop after I got out, wanted to go in a different direction. Shit needs to get fixed, but I have to disagree with my man D. I have about 6 friends who are Portland police officers who grew up in my neighborhood, quality individuals who have worked too hard to get bunched up with the shitheads out there who DO deserve the hate! I'm a big on "Not all people are this or that" My son is considering becoming an officer to try and change shit....and he marched last summer with Dame on the bridge.....I can tell you my son is NO bastard.

 

[THE HCP]

Now can we get back to talking about how the Lakers will finish above our Blazers in the standings this season.

 

[Hoopguru]

Growing up in NE Portland, I saw how police treated my friends when we were young....... in spite of this, I joined the Army and became a Military Policeman. Didn't become a civilian cop after I got out, wanted to go in a different direction. Shit needs to get fixed, but I have to disagree with my man D. I have about 6 friends who are Portland police officers who grew up in my neighborhood, quality individuals who have worked too hard to get bunched up with the shitheads out there who DO deserve the hate! I'm a big on "Not all people are this or that" My son is considering becoming an officer to try and change shit....and he marched last summer with Dame on the bridge.....I can tell you my son is NO bastard.

I have a brother in law that’s a retired Portland Homicide defective and he’s one of the good guys and he been there for many families of victims and attended the funerals. He really one of the nicest guys Ive known and like to help anyone in need.

 

[riverman]

Now can we get back to talking about how the Lakers will finish above our Blazers in the standings this season.

Simple...they buy and develop more refs than we do..duh

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Harrowing bodycam footage shows NYPD cops diving underwater to try and rescue two-year-old boy and his parents who drowned in their basement apartment when Ida hit New York City

• NYPD bodycam footage recorded the failed attempts of officers efforts to rescue a family of three who were trapped in their flooding basement apartment
• Footage shows the officers standing in murky water up to their chest with plush toys floating around as they try to break into the flooded apartment in Queens
• Due to 'locked doors, rising water level and live electricity' the officers were forced to wait and call FDNY for back up
• The family of three: Ang Lama, 50, Mingma Sherpa, 48, and their two-year-old son, Lobsang 'Ang,' where found drowned in the apartment Thursday
• Their neighbors recounted hearing them call for help and note how quickly they stopped responding
• Ten of the 11 New York City victims who drowned in their apartments were living in illegal basement residences

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ue-drowned-family-three-Queens-apartment.html

 

[Phatguysrule]

My cousin’s son is a member of the Tigard Police Department. Supposedly they have been told they no longer have to do traffic stops……..or respond to calls for assistance (from minorities in particular) because of the potential for escalation (for lack of a better term). Supposedly, regardless of how valid a reason there might be for pulling someone over, in today’s climate people are too quick to play either the police misconduct card or the race card. And current times require they be investigated, regardless of validity. The time and effort required to deal with that kind of bullshit doesn’t recoup the cost of the citation. So they keep the cops free and available for the “serious” stuff. I have no real clue how accurate this info might be, but my cousin swears it is so……

Body cams. Easily review any interaction with the public, all data backed up and stored with a 3rd party and available at the request of any prosecutor, public defendant, court, arbitration or any other legitimate request, or law enforcement's case is thrown out.

Problem solved. I'll take payment in cash or get out of jail free cards.

 

[Hoopguru]

Body cams. Easily review any interaction with the public, all data backed up and stored with a 3rd party and available at the request of any prosecutor, public defendant, court, arbitration or any other legitimate request, or law enforcement's case is thrown out.

Problem solved. I'll take payment in cash or get out of jail free cards.

They should use them in the class room too. Lol