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Ed O said:
Do you think he would have helped if the Blazers had only offered Hedo four years? Of course not.

Stop hiding behind nonsensical arguments.

Roy didn't help out because he is trying to play hardball (and only has one more year guaranteed) and/or he was not asked to do so. It wasn't because Hedo was offered more years than Roy is being offered in his extension.

Ed O.
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These are his arguements
 
superdeluxe said:
These are his arguements
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His argument is that he's only got one more year... not that Hedo was offered five while he was only offered four.

At least I didn't hear him say that.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
1. The max salary, as I understand it, of the year that the extension is signed rules the day. I base that on Chris Paul and Deron Williams having first year salaries of 13,758,000, which was the max salary when they signed their extension, while the max salary for 2009-10 is 13,520,500. If I am correct with this (and I'm not 100% sure I am), then the Blazers could extend Roy right now/this year with a first year contract value of that 13.52m, but a team next summer could only offer NEXT year's max, which will be lower than 13m and might be merely 12.5m.
Ed O.
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I'll have to confirm, but I don't think this is right.

Right now Roy and LMA can agree to a "max" deal, which means that Roy will get paid whatever the max is on July 8 next year. It doesn't matter if he signs now or then, he's signing a "max" deal.

The bigger question for me is about extending LMA. I don't think they could say "we'll offer you 12.7 starting salary, which is less than the max this year but more than the projected max next year". I imagine it would get dialed back to the "max" number, which would effectively make he and Roy max players even though that may not have been the idea.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'll have to confirm, but I don't think this is right.

Right now Roy and LMA can agree to a "max" deal, which means that Roy will get paid whatever the max is on July 8 next year. It doesn't matter if he signs now or then, he's signing a "max" deal.

The bigger question for me is about extending LMA. I don't think they could say "we'll offer you 12.7 starting salary, which is less than the max this year but more than the projected max next year". I imagine it would get dialed back to the "max" number, which would effectively make he and Roy max players even though that may not have been the idea.
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I would like to have this confirmed on way or the other. Maybe Storyteller hasn't updated his salaries for Paul and Williams yet. I've poked around at Larry Coon's FAQ and haven't seen an answer one way or the other.

Ed O.
 
I pulled this from question #51
An example is in order. Shaquille O'Neal's contract was extended prior to the 2000-01 season. His original contract ran through the 2002-03 season, in which he made $23,571,429.20. The first year of his extension, 2003-04, was originally written for (the then-maximum) 112.5% of this amount, or $26,517,857.85. As a 10+ year veteran, O'Neal's salary couldn't exceed 105% of $23,571,429.20, or the 2003-04 maximum salary for a 10+ year veteran (which turned out to be $15,344,000), whichever is greater. That means O'Neal's 2003-04 salary could not exceed $24,750,000.66 (using 105% of his previous salary, since that was the greater of the two). O'Neal's extension was therefore amended downward to the maximum ($24,750,000.66) once the 2003-04 maximum salary was determined.

Raises in each year of an extension to a rookie scale contract are limited to 10.5% of the salary in the first year of the extension. For all other extensions, raises are limited to 10.5% of the salary in the last year of the existing contract. If the salary in the first year of an extension is amended as described above, then all subsequent years of the extension are also amended to accommodate the maximum raise, if necessary.
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And, Story's site has updated Paul's contract to the 13,520,000 figure (commensurate w/this year's lower cap)
 
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BrianFromWA said:
I pulled this from question #51


And, Story's site has updated Paul's contract to the 13,520,000 figure (commensurate w/this year's lower cap)
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I made this argument in the first Roy thread. It fell on deaf ears so I got tired of correcting it.
 
Thanks, Brian. With an initial max salary of $12.5m, then, Portland would say about $3m by matching another team's offer over five years... not the $10m I had stated. Raises would be like $1.31m a year rather than $1m (which other teams would be capped at due to the 8% maximum raise).

Ed O.
 
PapaG said:
I made this argument in the first Roy thread. It fell on deaf ears so I got tired of correcting it.
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You never gave any evidence. Brian did. That's the difference.

Ed O.
 
Wheels is saying Canzano has an update on the situation...
 
B-Roy said:
Wheels is saying Canzano has an update on the situation...
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Damn. Guess I'll have to listen to his show for a bit, but if he teases it and stretches it out, I'll click it off and catch up here later.
 
Doesn't seem like anything too big if he can wait and use it as a teaser into his show.
 
Why the hell should Roy help someone else get 5 years, when the FO is dicking him around for his 5th year? Thats idiotic.
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Yeah, why should Chris Bosh call to recruit Hedo, when his contract status is up in the air...oh wait....he did....


Roy's comments fall on deaf ears on that one, way to show you are all about the team...

"Are you going to pay me?"..."If you do, I'll give him a call, if not...well...good luck"
 
Blaze01 said:
Yeah, why should Chris Bosh call to recruit Hedo, when his contract status is up in the air...oh wait....he did....


Roy's comments fall on deaf ears on that one, way to show you are all about the team...

"Are you going to pay me?"..."If you do, I'll give him a call, if not...well...good luck"
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Bosh was asked by Toronto to call Hedo. Roy and LMA say they weren't asked by the team to call Hedo.
 
Not only that, but again, Bosh doesn't want to extend. There is a big difference. Why do people keep on referencing Bosh and Wade and Lebron as if the situations are at all similar.
 
RR7 said:
Not only that, but again, Bosh doesn't want to extend. There is a big difference. Why do people keep on referencing Bosh and Wade and Lebron as if the situations are at all similar.
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Because one poster is adamant that the situations are similar, which they are not.
 
Hope Canzano gives us something good.. or else, I'm going to feel like bitching again.
 
Canzano says Roy asked for a PO for year 5.
 
Multiple sources told me on Monday that the negotiations between the Trail Blazers and Brandon Roy remained locked up, in part, because Roy initially asked for a player option for year No. 5 of the contract.

The Blazers still have reportedly only offered four years vs. the five that Camp Roy wants. I'm on record for giving Roy whatever he wants, because he's worth it. None of this explains why the Blazers aren't willing to offer a five-year deal... because the sense here is that Roy would take the max deal and skip off into the rest of his career... also, this is a no-brainer.

Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard offered me a, "no comment," on Monday afternoon. I got confirmation from two sources, including one at the Vulcan mothership. Pritchard doesn't want to say much. And in the wake of Roy's comments last week, and his popularity with fans, I'm certain that Pritchard doesn't want to negotiation this publicly.

I expect these two sides can find common ground. If you back waaaaaaaaay up you can see why the Vulcans might want to limit their obligation to Roy, but if you get anywhere near this franchise you understand why it needs to get done.

Now, I'm not against a player option for Roy in the final year of the deal. Like Hedo, and Nate McMillan, if Roy doesn't want to be around for year No. 5, do you really want him around? Still, it's good for fans to have as much sunshine cast on the negotiation as possible.

The organization is still trying to operate at break-even.

Isn't Roy the biggest piece of that?
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http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/07/canzano_roy_asked_for_optout_i.html

So what's the defense now against it, or does this change things at all?
 
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B-Roy said:
Canzano says Roy asked for a PO for year 5.
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That's what I would want too. That way you got flexibility if your value is still at max status and the cap goes up you can re-up sooner for more money. If your value/durability goes down you can play year 5 out.
 
Zybot said:
That's what I would want too. That way you got flexibility if your value is still at max status and the cap goes up you can re-up sooner for more money. If your value/durability goes down you can play year 5 out.
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It does make Roy's public messages a bit more difficult to understand, though.
 
ehizzy3 said:
let him have the player option
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Or, leak a 5 year offer with no player option. That puts Roy on the spot in terms of not wanting the longest possible commitment to Portland.
 
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