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DaLincolnJones said:
Sounds like we both have had first hand experience with someone having a psychotic break. I am of the opinion that no amount of education is going to change the outcome.

With the situation at hand, what we do know is that this was not a break. This guy had been a resident of the casino from Sept 28th. He planned before hand to get a room that had a tactical advantage. He Planned to be able to maximize the carnage he could create.

In May this year, ISIS sent out a call to its believers to do an attack of this kind in Los Vegas. The instructions and recommendations mirror what was done last night.

It has been reported that this guy recently converted to Islam a few months ago.

So, in short, was this guy crazy? In my opinion , yeah. What amount of education would have made any difference?
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True it wasn't just a snap. It was planned, premeditated. Listening to this interview with his brother, he sounds like he really doesn't understand where this came from. I mean, there is either some motive we don't know about yet or he just had something wrong with him, I'm not sure. It's weird. He even had cameras set up for when the police came to know when to kill himself.
 
HCP said:
You can shoot THREE rounds for every trigger pull on an m-16......automatic....semiautomatic.......call it whatever you want. That's fucking dangerous and you can go thru a full clip in 3-4 seconds. Very unnecessary if you ask me.

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And you can't go out and buy that. The original M16 back in Vietnam was released with full auto, but they eventually took that away because the grunts would blow through their mags. They put in the 3 round burst and I believe the modern version of the m16 is 3 round burst or single shot only.
 
Cippy91 said:
This isn't some competition. I never questioned you on that. However you come in talking about trump, immediately bringing politics into it. What does his dumbass have to do with the shooting? Nothing. Let me guess though, on the personal insults you are obviously joking right since that's just what you're known for and they let you get away with "joking" around here. Looks like you got mad, not me. I just think it's stupid your first post on the subject you immediately bring politics into it.
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If I'm not mistaken most people who voted for Trump also support the NRA? I'm not much into politics, so If I am wrong, let me know. And I actually did get mad..... you said "PEOPLE LIKE YOU". People like me have actually lived thru shit like this. Been a part of it in a weird round about way. And what exactly does me joking when we are talking about out team have to do with this?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It was @honkicracker that first brought politics into the discussion.
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Yeah and no politics should be brought into this. You wonder why I have distanced myself from these stupid ass posts about trump or any politics? It's annoying hearing this shit every single day. I'm done with the political shit on here. Can't have a real discussion with certain individuals on it without being labeled a white supremacist or some shit. So yeah with that being said, I'm completely done with the politics side of this forum. It's gotten out of hand
 
Natebishop3 said:
They don't need to be big magazines. Also, the guy supposedly had 10 guns with him.

But if the guy practiced enough, he could have been able to do this.



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It doesn't sound like any 2 second pauses in the videos they're showing on TV.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I didn't say you did anything bad, lol.
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Well when I see trump or Hillary I'm out. Or left or right wing, I'm just out. What he said wasn't bad but when people wanna make it their point, it gets stupid.
 
Denny Crane said:
It doesn't sound like any 2 second pauses in the videos they're showing on TV.
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He definitely could have had a drum mag. Not outside the realm of possibility. But my point is merely that you don't need a big magazine.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And you can't go out and buy that. The original M16 back in Vietnam was released with full auto, but they eventually took that away because the grunts would blow through their mags. They put in the 3 round burst and I believe the modern version of the m16 is 3 round burst or single shot only.
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You can still find some of the M16A1's (original full auto) and some Special folks used the A3 (full auto) for a while. In the 90's, regular old Marines like me were issued the A2 (with 3-rd burst). Both times I deployed to AFG, the Marines had M16A4's while I was issued the M4 carbine (3rd burst)
 
HCP said:
If I'm not mistaken most people who voted for Trump also support the NRA? I'm not much into politics, so If I am wrong, let me know. And I actually did get mad..... you said "PEOPLE LIKE YOU". People like me have actually lived thru shit like this. Been a part of it in a weird round about way. And what exactly does me joking when we are talking about out team have to do with this?
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You got bent out of shape because I said people like you? Lol. I have seen your posts before, it's the typical left wing ideology. I think the same of the super right wing posters. Shits dumb. You didn't say it like that but yeah I assume most support NRA but you would be surprised how many people on the left also have guns. I think it's just divisive the way you put it, that's all. Not once did I question anything regarding you serving. So I don't know, that's your issue I guess
 
Natebishop3 said:
You can't go into a store and buy that gun. It's probably an original M16 from Vietnam. The amount of paperwork and money to be able to have that gun makes it extremely rare.
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I've already posted what exactly you'd need to do to get this sort of gun in the US. page 2.
I've also said any FAW weapon is going to be at least 31 years old if you get it legally.
I don't know why you & denny are coming at me when I've posted links. & in denny's case posted a quote directly from his own link that prove they're not all banned.
I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from s2 lately though.
I'm sorry if you think they're legally unattainable, not much I can do other than laugh.
 
honkicracker said:
I've already posted what exactly you'd need to do to get this sort of gun in the US. page 2.
I've also said any FAW weapon is going to be at least 31 years old if you get it legally.
I don't know why you & denny are coming at me when I've posted links. & in denny's case posted a quote directly from his own link that prove they're not all banned.
I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from s2 lately though.
I'm sorry if you think they're legally unattainable, not much I can do other than laugh.
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Nobody's coming "at you" for any reason whatsoever.

The guy got a weapon that is REALLY expensive, rigidly controlled, and near impossible to get legally. That's all. Has nothing to do with you or your posts.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yup. You have to use a special website to find them. Still can't just walk in and buy it though. The waiting period takes months. Have to apply with the ATF. It's not a fast process.
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Yeah, its the same as being able to build a bomb. Not that tough to do, but get caught with one? Oh my. Federal time.
 
Denny Crane said:
Nobody's coming "at you" for any reason whatsoever.

The guy got a weapon that is REALLY expensive, rigidly controlled, and near impossible to get legally. That's all. Has nothing to do with you or your posts.
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So you were wrong. Thanks for admitting it.
 
honkicracker said:
I've already posted what exactly you'd need to do to get this sort of gun in the US. page 2.
I've also said any FAW weapon is going to be at least 31 years old if you get it legally.
I don't know why you & denny are coming at me when I've posted links. & in denny's case posted a quote directly from his own link that prove they're not all banned.
I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from s2 lately though.
I'm sorry if you think they're legally unattainable, not much I can do other than laugh.
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I didn't say that they're legally unobtainable. I said they're extremely hard to obtain.... and they ARE banned. The fact that some are grandfathered in does not change the fact that machine guns are banned and you need an exception to own one.

Please, show me the last time an actual machine gun was used in a mass shooting. There is no evidence that the shooting last night was carried out with a machine gun. It's more likely he was using a modified AR-15, which is not a machine gun, nor has it ever been a machine gun.
 
Friend at work just got here. Thousand plus people waiting to give blood and they can't even come close to handling all those waiting. He waited from 7 to 11 and they were still on page 2 of their list and my friend was on page 9
 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...hooter-may-have-used-trigger-crank/723236001/

Expert: Las Vegas shooter may have used trigger crank

The speed, pattern and inconsistent rate of gunfire heard in videos of the Las Vegas shooting indicate the suspect could have used cheap and legal modification devices to accelerate the firing of a semi-automatic weapon to almost 700 rounds a minute.

And the kinds of devices that would make that possible are readily available — relatively cheaply on the internet — even to people who can't qualify to buy an automatic weapon.

Video taken near the Mandalay Bay Casino by a bystander provides audio of the continuous fire. While fast, the audio doesn’t mimic a consistent, fully automatic rate, said Mel Bernstein, owner of Dragonman’s shooting range in Colorado Springs, Colo., who analyzed the sounds from the video for USA TODAY.

USA TODAY reviewed the video and counted more than 10 shots fired per second.

Semi-automatic weapons fire one round per trigger pull, while fully-automatic rifles fire continuously when the trigger is depressed. Two legal, off-the-shelf devices could have been used to recreate a fully-automatic rate of fire, increasing the speed by hundreds of rounds per minute.
 
-- Paddock bought multiple firearms in the past, but investigators believe the firearms were purchased legally, a law enforcement official said. The official said initial reports suggest at least one rifle was altered to function as an automatic weapon.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html

People who listened to the videos believe he was either using a crank to fire rapidly, or bump firing.
 
NYTimes. Just GTFO.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-mass-shooting-weapons.html

Las Vegas Gunman May Have Used at Least One Automatic Weapon, Audio Suggests

Weapons capable of burst fire have long been federally regulated in the United States, and are much more difficult to obtain than weapons that fire semiautomatically, for which regulations vary by state.

In some videos of the shooting, the rate of fire sounds inconsistent, at times sputtering. This suggests another possibility: that a weapon could have been modified to fire faster, a change to a semiautomatic firearms known as bump or slide fire. Such modifications harness the recoil to allow for rapid fire.

The duration of the bursts in Las Vegas, as recorded, also suggest that if the shooter had military or other formal weapons training, he did not follow it. Conventional military training emphasizes brief, controlled bursts of fire, not the extended bursts heard in Las Vegas.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I didn't say that they're legally unobtainable. I said they're extremely hard to obtain.... and they ARE banned. The fact that some are grandfathered in does not change the fact that machine guns are banned and you need an exception to own one.
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Natebishop3 said:
You're confusing semi-automatic rifles with fully-automatic rifles (AKA machine guns).
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You told me I was confused, I'm not confused.
You then went onto repeat things I said on page 2 in a fucking quote to me because you thought I was confused.

Frankly if you really want to get technical about guns, military grade imports pre 86 are easier to get than non imports.
But hey I'm confused right? It's not Denny at all...

I'm not going to keep repeating myself. Either accept the info I put on page 2 or kick rocks.
 
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