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andalusian said:
I do not know.
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I feel like we're taught from a very young age that we can solve our problems with violence. That Americans kick ass. I have never lived outside the US so I have no idea how our culture compares to other cultures in that way.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I feel like we're taught from a very young age that we can solve our problems with violence. That Americans kick ass. I have never lived outside the US so I have no idea how our culture compares to other cultures in that way.
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Education is always a worthy goal imho.
 
HCP said:
I'm not questioning whether or not people are bad and will hurt other people....... but lets negate the tools they have to carry out the task is all I'm saying. There is nails and glass and and shit in the street thats going to pop your tire, lets just sweep up the road a bit and get rid of as much of the threat of that happening as possible.
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It's just not going to happen. For a lot of Americans, the 2nd amendment is the line in the sand. If the government tried to outlaw guns / confiscate guns, you're looking at potentially a second civil war. Do you think it's worth the death of millions of people to confiscate guns?

It's even worse now, with people full on believing that there's a massive conspiracy against the President. When you have people who think the government is out to get them, and then you try to take away their guns, that's going to lead to a lot of death.
 
The numbers black vs. white are horrific. Something like 100 in 1,000,000 white people killed by gun shot in a year, something like 1,000 in 1,000,000 black people killed.

I'm pretty sure the 100 number is in line with homicide around the world.
 
HCP said:
I'll gladly take my chances with all those if it means there are no guns on the same streets as my family.
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It's not YOUR choice. Your rights are no more important than NateBishop's. He wants to own guns and he's no threat to anyone.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's not YOUR choice. Your rights are no more important than NateBishop's. He wants to own guns and he's no threat to anyone.
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Is it your choice Denny?
 
jonnyboy said:
When all the bad people in the world are without guns, I will gladly get rid of mine. Let me know when that happens.
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Would you be opposed to having tougher rules to owning a gun - passing written and practical exam for proper handling of one for example? Having to register your guns periodically and being held accountable to their where-about?
 
HCP said:
And like I said, I am cool with that. I will take my chances with bombs than guns.
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Another thing you need to keep in mind is that people can make guns. People can make auto weapons out of non auto weapons
 
andalusian said:
Would you be opposed to having tougher rules to owning a gun - passing written and practical exam for proper handling of one for example? Having to register your guns periodically and being held accountable to their where-about?
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Again, it's not the legal gun owners that are the majority of the problem.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Another thing you need to keep in mind is that people can make guns. People can make auto weapons out of non auto weapons
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When you want to make things easier - remove obstacles. When you want to make them harder - added layers.

The issue is not eliminating gun-ownership, but increasing accountability by proper registration and education.

Too many people buy into the NRA's it's all or nothing mindset. That's a real shame.
 
HCP said:
I'll gladly take my chances with all those if it means there are no guns on the same streets as my family.
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Well, as much as I like the idea of no guns except for people hunting food with them you have to realize that some changes have unforseen penalties.

If criminals thought nobody had a gun in this country how many more home invasions would there be? I'm sure plenty of people have thought of it and didn't wanna risk getting shot.

There's probably tons of things that just the threat of a gun does passively.

Imagine the road rage you'd see on YouTube. It's still all over the website and people don't wanna get shot so they let stuff go.

We're pretty damn violent in general.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Again, it's not the legal gun owners that are the majority of the problem.
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Correct. But the ease of access to fire-arms (it is laughably easy to get access to fire-arms in this country) is.

It is a question of where you put the line. There is nothing that makes it unconstitutional to have a proper background check period before being able to get a firearm from a gun-show, or requiring people to be held accountable to the gun's whereabouts.
 
andalusian said:
Correct. But the ease of access to fire-arms (it is laughably easy to get access to fire-arms in this country) is.

It is a question of where you put the line. There is nothing that makes it unconstitutional to have a proper background check period before being able to get a firearm from a gun-show, or requiring people to be held accountable to the gun's whereabouts.
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How does being held accountable for the gun's whereabouts do anything?

I delivered bedroom furniture when I was 20. People are fucking disgusting. I'd bet half of the people I delivered to couldn't find half their shit if you put a gun to their head.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
How does being held accountable for the gun's whereabouts do anything?
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If guns are registered and need to be reported for sale/disappearance - it will be harder to get guns illegally. Going to eliminate it? Not even close. Move it a bit higher than laughably easy? Sure.

I delivered bedroom furniture when I was 20. People are fucking disgusting. I'd bet half of the people I delivered to couldn't find half their shit if you put a gun to their head.
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Maybe these people should not be gun owners?

We require cars and drivers to be registered. Why not guns and owners?

Small hurdle for the responsible for gun owners, a bigger hurdle for the irresponsible ones and hopefully making it harder for some of the nutso out there.
 
andalusian said:
When you want to make things easier - remove obstacles. When you want to make them harder - added layers.

The issue is not eliminating gun-ownership, but increasing accountability by proper registration and education.

Too many people buy into the NRA's it's all or nothing mindset. That's a real shame.
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I agree. I do think it's more mental health issues than anything
 
andalusian said:
If guns are registered and need to be reported for sale/disappearance - it will be harder to get guns illegally. Going to eliminate it? Not even close. Move it a bit higher than laughably easy? Sure.



Maybe these people should not be gun owners?

We require cars and drivers to be registered. Why not guns and owners?

Small hurdle for the responsible for gun owners, a bigger hurdle for the irresponsible ones and hopefully making it harder for some of the nutso out there.
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Constitutional rights aren't limited to clean people.

Hey, I'd melt all the guns down and build something useful with them but other people want them.
 
I bought a house that had an NRA sticker in the window.

I debated scraping it off, since I am not a member.

The reason to scrape it off is that it advertises that I may have a gun, so a burglar might break in to steal the gun. The reason to keep it is that a burglar might be scared I'll shot him if he breaks in.

I am all for holding gun owners strictly responsible for what their guns are used for, even if their gun is stolen.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/21/gun-theft-us-firearm-survey

Up to 600,000 guns are stolen every year in the US – that's one every minute
 
Denny Crane said:
It's not YOUR choice. Your rights are no more important than NateBishop's. He wants to own guns and he's no threat to anyone.
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We have no reason to believe that.

barfo
 
barfo said:
We have no reason to believe that.

barfo
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Yes we do. Very few guns or gun owners abuse the things. Very few. Not anywhere near enough to be a compelling argument to take away a hundred million peoples' rights.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Constitutional rights aren't limited to clean people.
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You do not have to be clean. Just show you understand basic concepts of gun ownership. The 2nd amendment starts with a "A well regulated Militia,..." - regulations are literally a part of the amendment.

Hey, I'd melt all the guns down and build something useful with them but other people want them.
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I would not, guns have practical purposes and many people enjoy them - I have nothing against fun. It just needs to be responsible fun.
 
andalusian said:
You do not have to be clean. Just show you understand basic concepts of gun ownership. The 2nd amendment starts with a "A well regulated Militia,..." - regulations are literally a part of the amendment.



I would not, guns have practical purposes and many people enjoy them - I have nothing against fun. It just needs to be responsible fun.
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People could pass this test all day every day.....

You should leave your infant child in the car with the windows up and no AC on a 115 degree day.

A. True
B. False

Every year multiple morons do just this in my part of the world. Most of us shouldn't be allowed steak knives.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You don't have much to worry about barfo..... you're really far down my list.
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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
People could pass this test all day every day.....

You should leave your infant child in the car with the windows up and no AC on a 115 degree day.

A. True
B. False

Every year multiple morons do just this in my part of the world. Most of us shouldn't be allowed steak knives.
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I am still not sure why a measure that will reduce some of the problems is a bad thing. Are there stupid people out there? Sure. Will simple regulation eliminate all bad things? Of course not. Will some lives be saved because of some simple regulations. Very likely.
 
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