OT Adam Silver Warns Teams About Tanking, Says NBA Will Closely Monitor Their Play (2 Viewers)

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KingSpeed said:
I have the solution. It is better than any other solution I’ve heard.

1) There is an end of season bonus for every coach and every player in the league except for those in the bottom three teams. This will give incentive for players and coaches to win every game. A 27th best team vs the 28th best team is a big game in April that both teams want to win.

2) The three worst teams in the league are not in the lottery and they receive the 28th, 29th, and 30th pick in the draft. This encourages the front office to put together a team good enough to escape that fate.

This is the ONLY solution that works.

You’re welcome.
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Owner to the coach ... "here's your small bonus for all those meaningless wins and YOU'RE FIRED!" ... plus it's really sad that these guys making millions need a little more $ as an incentive to actually do their jobs. As for #2 ... that's a stupid idea, the whole point is to make the worst teams better and you're actively making it horrible on them. If you want to put a provision that teams that finish in the bottom 3 for multiple seasons go to the back of the lottery, that I could get behind but putting them at the end of the first round is way to punitive.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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I like the "no top 4 picks in consecutive drafts" idea the best out of all of them and/or basing lottery results on the past two years and not just the current one. A lot of ok but not great ideas to fix a system that is broken and taken advantage of.
 
"Lock lottery positions after March 1st."

This one is interesting, but I think they should limit that to the worst 10 teams. Teams sitting around 13 or 14 who get hot in March and make the playoffs should not get a lottery pick when teams who fought hard to get to 16th in February fall back a spot or two.
 
If Jaren Jackson is actually hurt and requires surgery, the Player's union should file a grievance because the league is basically saying here that JJJ should be playing.

This is a dangerous slope to go down where teams may second guess shutting players down that actually need surgeries.

Tanking talk is so stupid. Teams can tank and still end up with like the 5th pick. Thats the whole point of the lottery. Football doesnt even have the lottery and I don't hear half the outrage over tanking as I do with basketball.
 
JfizzleBlazer said:
If Jaren Jackson is actually hurt and requires surgery, the Player's union should file a grievance because the league is basically saying here that JJJ should be playing.

This is a dangerous slope to go down where teams may second guess shutting players down that actually need surgeries.

Tanking talk is so stupid. Teams can tank and still end up with like the 5th pick. Thats the whole point of the lottery. Football doesnt even have the lottery and I don't hear half the outrage over tanking as I do with basketball.
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Did they say specifically it's for shutting JJJ down for the season? I imagine they're being fined for benching guys in a few recent 4th quarters of close games. Winnable games where you then bench Lauri and JJJ for the 4th quarter is pretty egregious tanking
 
RR7 said:
Did they say specifically it's for shutting JJJ down for the season? I imagine they're being fined for benching guys in a few recent 4th quarters of close games. Winnable games where you then bench Lauri and JJJ for the 4th quarter is pretty egregious tanking
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You mean the game they sat them in the 4th and still won by 28 against the Kings?

They also referenced two games, the Magic and Miami, one in which they still won. But yeah, they lost a 7 point lead against the Magic and ended up losing that game I guess.

Just doesnt seem like that much evidence to me.
 


Mind you the Pacers got fined as well and their pick could be going to the big market Clippers while OKC gets the Jazz pick if it's outside the top 8. The absolute and utter hypocrisy of Sam Presti going to the league to cry about Utah tanking to keep their pick is just too much. I never liked that douche in OKC and think he's even more hateable now.
 
bigbailes said:


Mind you the Pacers got fined as well and their pick could be going to the big market Clippers while OKC gets the Jazz pick if it's outside the top 8. The absolute and utter hypocrisy of Sam Presti going to the league to cry about Utah tanking to keep their pick is just too much. I never liked that douche in OKC and think he's even more hateable now.
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If thats true, and it got the NBA to move, what absolute bullshit.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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the only ideas that make any logical sense are the first 2.

* no top-4 picks in consecutive years. I've even suggested if a team is top-4 one year, they have to be 11-14 the following year

* and sure, get rid of top-8 or top-10 protections. Top-4 or lottery protections, nothing else

but I still say tanking is not the problem so many people think it is
 
wizenheimer said:
but I still say tanking is not the problem so many people think it is
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I'm with you on this. I just don't care. I mean, it sucks when you're competing, and scoreboard watching, and you see a team you need to lose to move ahead of has a game against a team likely to sit all of their halfway decent players, but it probably evens out slightly when you get those games as well. It's absurd to me how much time is spent on solutions to tanking, by fans on boards like this and realgm, reddit. And by other journalists on espn and the like.
And while all of the complaints of tanking are going on, the other side of the mouth is talking about how someone hasn't won anything in their career, how a team is stuck in purgatory, how it's dumb to make a big push for 1 win when you can try to have a sustained dynasty.
Ring culture has pushed us to tanking culture. If fans would be ok with something like what we had 4-5 years ago, a competitive team built around Dame that likely never wins a title, but is a fun watch and at least a playoff team, then more teams might be inclined to run with that. But look at how many words were spilled here on the "right time" to get rid of Dame to push us to a title. And we get it with Giannis now, how they need to move him and suck to go back to being good. But when they inevitably do that, we'll be complaining about them tanking.
 
wizenheimer said:
the only ideas that make any logical sense are the first 2.

* no top-4 picks in consecutive years. I've even suggested if a team is top-4 one year, they have to be 11-14 the following year

* and sure, get rid of top-8 or top-10 protections. Top-4 or lottery protections, nothing else

but I still say tanking is not the problem so many people think it is
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I think its a problem when an arena has 20000 people and a team is (literally) not trying. This is sports. The entire point is to compete and entertain. If you are running a league and it is even perceived a team isnt competing and/or trying....it has zero credibility. They should refund money. Maybe that stops tanking lol. Team thats blatantly tanking has to pay the fans back. And thats not even TV expense.
 
Tanking sucks because it means a team is not engaging with the sport’s implied intent: trying to win every game. If the league didn’t care about tanking, you could just forfeit a game and not expose anyone on your team to injury or wear and tear. Hell, give them all the year off, renovate your arena and go 0-82 on forfeits to make sure you have that juicy draft pick when the arena is ready. Ad absurdum sure but tanking in any form flaunts the intent of a sport’s rules: to play the game to find out who among these two teams (who both want to win) actually wins.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Tanking sucks because it means a team is not engaging with the sport’s implied intent: trying to win every game. If the league didn’t care about tanking, you could just forfeit a game and not expose anyone on your team to injury or wear and tear. Hell, give them all the year off, renovate your arena and go 0-82 on forfeits to make sure you have that juicy draft pick when the arena is ready. Ad absurdum sure but tanking in any form flaunts the intent of a sport’s rules: to play the game to find out who among these two teams (who both want to win) actually wins.
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Yea but if they just forfeited every game, then they'd have to give fans their money back, instead the owners have found the perfect loophole. Sit your top players with fake injuries, continue to charge crazy prices for an inferior product AND sell it your fans as the ONLY way to truly improve (because as a small market NBA team it really is the only hope you have) so that they not only don't get mad but actually embrace it! All of it is such a joke and why I really don't care about the league outside of the Blazers.
 
I like the idea of getting rid of protections inside of 14.

I still say that flipping the lotto odds is the best idea. You give the top odds to the last four out of the playoffs and the odds go down from there to the last place team in the league having the lowest odds at the top 4 pick but still can pick at 5 at the latest. So just flipping the lotto not the draft order after that.

If some team wants to tank the play-ins and a chance at the playoffs for a 25% chance at moving to the top 4 so be it. They will not be tanking 99% of the season.
 
blazerkor said:
I still say that flipping the lotto odds is the best idea. You give the top odds to the last four out of the playoffs and the odds go down from there to the last place team in the league having the lowest odds at the top 4 pick but still can pick at 5 at the latest. So just flipping the lotto not the draft order after that.
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that won't solve tanking

it will just be different teams working the tank
 
bigbailes said:
Owner to the coach ... "here's your small bonus for all those meaningless wins and YOU'RE FIRED!" ... plus it's really sad that these guys making millions need a little more $ as an incentive to actually do their jobs. As for #2 ... that's a stupid idea, the whole point is to make the worst teams better and you're actively making it horrible on them. If you want to put a provision that teams that finish in the bottom 3 for multiple seasons go to the back of the lottery, that I could get behind but putting them at the end of the first round is way to punitive.
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Those aren’t two separate solutions. They would both be done in tandem. There’s no incentive for players to play for lottery position in a tournament. Why do they care?

And if the bottom teams get any advantage, you can’t stop tanking.
 
wizenheimer said:
that won't solve tanking

it will just be different teams working the tank
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I don't know what this means.

Tanking throughout the season would be pointless because you would be hurting your chance at the number 1-4 picks in the draft. If you are saying the teams in the playoffs would tank at the very end of the season to get to the play-in and then tank the play-in, I have to disagree with you.

The only games you might see tanking in are play-in games if for some reason a team would rather have a 1 in 4 chance of moving from the middle of the draft to the top, over a chance at a title in the playoffs. I just don't see a lot of teams doing that.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't know what this means.

Tanking throughout the season would be pointless because you would be hurting your chance at the number 1-4 picks in the draft. If you are saying the teams in the playoffs would tank at the very end of the season to get to the play-in and then tank the play-in, I have to disagree with you.

The only games you might see tanking in are play-in games if for some reason a team would rather have a 1 in 4 chance of moving from the middle of the draft to the top, over a chance at a title in the playoffs. I just don't see a lot of teams doing that.
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whatever....it's a cure worse than the disease. Giving middle teams the highest chance at a franchise player just means any team unfortunate enough to be crappy will remain crappy for years and years

personally, I don't think tanking is a problem. If you want to flatten the odds again, ok. But teams get good by getting high lottery picks.. Minny wouldn't be good if they hadn't got Anthony Edwards

you know who was in the play-in in 2021? In the East it was Boston, Indiana, Washington, Charlotte. How about the West...check this out: Lakers, Warriors, Memphis, Spurs. How about the play-in when Wemby was in the draft....in the west, the 4 teams at a shot at Wemby would have been...LOL...Lakers-Minny-Pelicans-OKC. Fuck that idea; it's stupid...imagine Wemby as a Laker or in OKC
 
wizenheimer said:
the only ideas that make any logical sense are the first 2.

* no top-4 picks in consecutive years. I've even suggested if a team is top-4 one year, they have to be 11-14 the following year

* and sure, get rid of top-8 or top-10 protections. Top-4 or lottery protections, nothing else

but I still say tanking is not the problem so many people think it is
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i like those two also. They could still do the tournament among lottery teams for top picks idea also.
 
The NBA should just give the top picks to the Lakers every year
 
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