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I am. Well you replied to me saying that. Ban is a ban
That's a pretty vague way to say something that most people would misinterpet. When people get banned from a website they usually mean permanently. Most would say suspended for a month, not banned even if you can technically use the word that way.
 
So I have a question for the admins of this site.
So @SlyPokerDog @Denny Crane
The rest of the admins need not respond as I have little to no interest in reading what they have to say.
I've made this clear to Sly the last time we met in person. He does very well not wielding his powers with emotion. The rest of the crew doesn't.
(tbf doesn't count as that crew because I don't visit this site as often due to life. Meaning I've had very few interactions with him)
Anyway.

iirc sabons or whatever the exact spelling was... He got banned after posting a slur about the former Ducks coach who got fired.(maybe it wasn't the former Ducks coach? but it was some college football coach)
Now personally I would've booted him instantly without the need to say 'don't do it again'.
But he was warned, his post edited and iirc about 8 hours later after there was a huge fit thrown(rightfully so because I was personally thinking wtf are the admins doing not instantly banning instead choosing to give a warning) by a certain member of this forum. This sabonis guy did it again. Twice iirc.
He was then banned.

So onto my question.
Are you able to explain why exactly the official site of the portland trail blazers are giving out warnings for people who clearly break the ToS?
Now it's been quite awhile since I've even skimmed the ToS as my account has been around quite a while.
But I can only assume that if someone breaks the ToS and uses a slur that would be considered a bannable offense and no warning needed. Regardless of context.
Why don't you just ban people for breaking the ToS and move on? You're not paid to do this job, you volunteer.
The only thing not banning people who use slurs/post offensive jokes allows is confusion. Which leads to drama because then you have people(who in your own words) get very good at attacking the post. Not the poster.
I get it being all inclusive is a good thing. If all people were like that irl, the world would have less hate. But if someone spews hate the only way to stop it is to treat it like a virus and give it no platform to fester.

@SlyPokerDog long ago when you found out what my eventual(completed now) PHD was going to be in. You made a joke in a dm to me 'you'd make a great moderator'. I laughed, because I never thought so, nor do I think so now.
At the end of the day, I guess I don't understand why when someone breaks the ToS they get a warning. Instead of at the very least a temp ban.


@julius the internet is far from anonymous. You're attached to the words you type down through your account.
I've had members of this site enroll their child in a program I'm attached to irl.(as well as continue to enroll their child in said programs.)
The internet isn't anonymous anymore than phone calls are.
 
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The rest of the admins need not respond as I have little to no interest in reading what they have to say.
I've made this clear to Sly the last time we met in person. He does very well not wielding his powers with emotion. The rest of the crew doesn't.
Thanks...I guess.
 
The only point that I was trying to make last night was that IMO these personal things between posters should, for the most part, be handled in private. I'm not sure how that meant I was a phony or defending Lanny.
I don't know what posts I liked or didn't like, or whatever but honestly if it was up to me less of this would be on here and more of it would be through PM's. I have a lot of respect for the work and thought Sly puts into this site, so this isn't meant to disagree with how he's handled it. He can handle things however he thinks is right.

I understand why people are frustrated, I understand that the joke Lanny posted was inappropriate. I understand why Bodyman or OB and others may be upset that somethings that happened (allegedly I'm not calling anyone a liar I don't know all the facts), were thrown out here and can harm their reputation and all that.

I feel like we should all be able to agree on a few things, Racist slurs and the like do not belong here, I have somewhat of a difference of opinion on if context matters but alas I would rather we all just didn't say things like that. We should be able to agree that when things from an online forum like this that is intended to be a place for sports fans to come together, go beyond our fandom and start becoming real-life things, that have real-life consequences that we need to raise our level of respect for one another up a notch. No one wants to feel like their job, family, friends, reputation all that could be negatively affected by posts here.

Like almost all things though this is a two-way street. Respect other people (or at least for the sake of keeping things civil keep your disrespect to yourself), quit calling out mods and posters and whomever you disagree with and trying to start fights. It's ok to have conversations, but at some point, it's time to move on, too often arguments in here go from thread to thread for days, people get irritated at each other start calling each other names, start using passive-aggressive language to "insult (but not really)" each other.

I don't know where we go from here, except maybe theirs wisdom in people taking a chance to take a deep breath, collect your thoughts, determine what battles you're actually willing to have and if there are really personnel things contact mods about it. For the record everyone is a little biased, it's only human natural (thank you, Kevin Malone).
 
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Thanks...I guess.

Sorry, but when I get a dm from a mod asking. 'wtf are you talking about'.
That comes across as quite emotional.
People need to choose their words carefully. Even more so when you've been given a position of power.
This wasn't you.

At the end of the day Sly over the years has only got grumpy once. And really I believe that one time was completely justified as someone attacked his grandson.
Sly has years of attempting to build a culture on this site. He's done quite well in some areas, and not so well in others. But one thing that can never be questioned about Sly is his ability to take a neutral stance.
I can't say the same for the rest of you, I'm sorry.
 
Greetings and happy holidays to everyone. Seems like we've had a ton of drama in the off topic section of the forum that needs to be addressed. Some of it you guys know about it and some of it only I and the people directly involved do. Time to bring everyone up to speed and to clear some misconceptions up.

@Lanny please do not post racial slurs in the forum again. I don't care what the reason is. That is not acceptable. Since there is someone demanding you be banned and claiming that I won't do it since we're friends I will state publicly, if you do it one more time I will ban you for a month, if you do it after that I will ban you forever. This follows the exact same order of events we took when someone else continued to post the N word in game threads.

@Fez Forthright I closed your thread because come on, that was a bait/troll thread. It wasn't about MMA or that fight, it was to provoke a reaction from Trump supporters. As clearly shown by the arguments that followed you were very successful stirring shit up. I would consider that a win for you. We really don't need anymore wins like that around here.

@Cupwizer props to you for digging up that old email from 10 years ago and using it to send me your insulting rant. I'm giving you a week away from this place for you to rethink how you interact with some of the members of this forum and the staff on here. I will say you are great for reporting posts. A huge thank you for that, it truly makes things easier for staff to respond to problems in the forum. What I do not appreciate is you using the reporting feature as some sort of weird justification to insult others. Too many times have I gone to a post that you've reported and agreed with you that it is a personal insult only to see that you've insulted them right back AFTER you've reported the post. Really? It doesn't work like that. And clearly you understand what a personal insult is because you've accurately reported it yet you still insult someone back?!? The personal insults need to stop, the picking at people and engaging only to argue with them needs to stop.

Now for the reason I gave you a week long vacation from this place, you complained and complained about staff, then argued with them, and then started trolling them by repeatedly making threads similar to the ones that were just closed. I can not tell you guys enough, when you work hard to provoke a reaction you don't get to pick what that reaction will be. I had 3 staff members actively trying to put out forum fires and you're lighting more. I ended that.

@MARIS61 your continued accusations and lies about me really hurt. We were not in an argument, and I didn't ban you because you won this fictitious argument. You were banned because of personal insults to members of the forum and staff. Now I understand that you claim otherwise but lets see if you really believe that. I have no interest in digging through old posts of yours for insults. Most are edited or deleted but I know I left some because you have a problem not owning your shit.

If you agree to the rules and outcome of this game I propose the following forum game:

I will offer $5 per post of yours that anyone finds that is a personal insult. Once 4 personal insults are found I will ban you forever. If no personal insults are found I will donate $50 to the charity (charities only, no political donations) of your choice. So, if it's true as you claim, that you've never ever ever posted a personal insult in this forum you should have nothing to worry about. The only thing that happens is a charity of yours gets $50 richer. If you agree to that then I will make a thread outlining the rules and unleashing anyone who wants to make a few extra bucks. Also, I will post the moderator logs from every thread an insult is found in so there is no claims that your posts were edited and an insult was added.

@MarAzul you have a serious problem with personal insults, especially against staff. I've talked with you about this multiple times both publicly and privately. I've edited posts, deleted posts, temporarily banned you from threads, permanently banned you from threads, and even temporarily banned you from the forum. I've really tried everything. @Chris Craig or any other member of the forum have not abused their special mod powers nor have they ever used their mod powers unjustly against you. I have tried every way and thing I can think of to get you to stop insulting forum members and staff. I have failed. From the angry email you sent me last night to the phone call you had Mags make to me it sounds like you're done with the place anyways. Good luck to you, may you have many amazing adventures in that beautiful boat you built.

@bodyman5000 and 1 where do I even begin? Let me start off with that you are truly one of my most favorite members on here. You are extremely intelligent, more intelligent than I think even you realize. But the way you instigate behind the scenes is truly masterful and yet a bit concerning at times. But that is one of the reasons why I enjoy you so much. While others come straight at a person, you have this unique way of trying to get someone while they're not looking. It's something that I appreciate because at different times in my life where I've had to do something similar.

I must say, though it really didn't involve me, it wasn't against forum rules, and I didn't truly find out about this until this past month, your campaign via PMs to get HCP fired was masterful yet disturbing. It was also concerning. There is nothing that HCP has said or done to anyone on here that merits him losing his job. To try and talk someone else into emailing the Blazers to get him in trouble is a shitty thing to do don't you think? To try and escalate things to such an extreme is... ummm... odd.

Also, while I only saw the reports and have not read the entirety or context (yes, I used context intentionally. lol) of what was said between you two, you sending PMs to Lanny telling him you wanted him dead is again, very extreme and concerning. Now if you remember I did PM you asking about this and you never replied. It was shortly after that you started your "long goodbye" campaign of telling us weekly that you don't post here anymore and how much this place and certain people suck.

Since you have sent Lanny's post to certain Blazer advertisers I too have a screen grab of Lanny's post that I am going to send to the Blazers tomorrow along with your PMs about trying to get others to try and get HCP fired and hopefully, if @Lanny isn't too upset with me over my post to him tonight, he will send me the emails you sent to him wanting him dead. I think it will provide the Blazers a more complete overview of the interactions, why you're upset, and some of the email campaigns you've tried to instigate in the past. Also I will be showing them the actions that staff took concerning Lanny's post and that he was officially warned that is not acceptable behavior in the forum.

...

To everyone else, this is more FYI, I instruct our staff to act more like firemen than policemen. I find this is the best way to promote healthy discussions and debates. Again, forums are boring and useless if everyone agrees. It's the different opinions and beliefs that make forums engaging and fun. There are some who just don't understand this and will unleash personal insults when someone doesn't agree with their specific belief. It's also why there is no agenda against people with certain political affiliations. Go to some of the bigger forums, ones that have subforums for specific political beliefs. BORING! No real debate or discussions, just a circle jerk of agreement. We do not have that here. And because we don't have that here we have some very vigorous and informative discussions and debates. I think that's great. Please, remember this when you get upset with subjects and/or people in the forum or the actions of staff. Often, they are just trying to end the arguments, not to play forum cop. On rare occasions they may get something wrong or do something that you feel is an overreaction. Always feel free to PM me and/or them. I have found all of them to be very receptive and respectful in explaining why they took the actions that they did. Also, it's perfectly okay that you may not agree with them. No one is asking you to. We're only asking is that you understand that we have people who put in hours of their personal time to make this place enjoyable for all.
I may have erased the private message from Bodyman probably because I didn't want to believe that it's true but I'll look. Personally, I wanted to put that all behind because I've always liked Bodyman and didn't want to accept his hatred of me. I guess I was hopelessly hoping that it would all go away. It pains me to relive it.
I've addressed the issue of my example of a racist joke in old Oswego and apologized for it over and over. If you know me, and I know that you do, you'll know that it's something I'll never do again!
 
That's a pretty vague way to say something that most people would misinterpet. When people get banned from a website they usually mean permanently. Most would say suspended for a month, not banned even if you can technically use the word that way.

Fair enough
 
So I have a question for the admins of this site.
So @SlyPokerDog @Denny Crane
The rest of the admins need not respond as I have little to no interest in reading what they have to say.
I've made this clear to Sly the last time we met in person. He does very well not wielding his powers with emotion. The rest of the crew doesn't.
(tbf doesn't count as that crew because I don't visit this site as often due to life. Meaning I've had very few interactions with him)
Anyway.

iirc sabons or whatever the exact spelling was... He got banned after posting a slur about the former Ducks coach who got fired.(maybe it wasn't the former Ducks coach? but it was some college football coach)
Now personally I would've booted him instantly without the need to say 'don't do it again'.
But he was warned, his post edited and iirc about 8 hours later after there was a huge fit thrown(rightfully so because I was personally thinking wtf are the admins doing not instantly banning instead choosing to give a warning) by a certain member of this forum. This sabonis guy did it again. Twice iirc.
He was then banned.

So onto my question.
Are you able to explain why exactly the official site of the portland trail blazers are giving out warnings for people who clearly break the ToS?
Now it's been quite awhile since I've even skimmed the ToS as my account has been around quite a while.
But I can only assume that if someone breaks the ToS and uses a slur that would be considered a bannable offense and no warning needed. Regardless of context.
Why don't you just ban people for breaking the ToS and move on? You're not paid to do this job, you volunteer.
The only thing not banning people who use slurs/post offensive jokes allows is confusion. Which leads to drama because then you have people(who in your own words) get very good at attacking the post. Not the poster.
I get it being all inclusive is a good thing. If all people were like that irl, the world would have less hate. But if someone spews hate the only way to stop it is to treat it like a virus and give it no platform to fester.

@SlyPokerDog long ago when you found out what my eventual(completed now) PHD was going to be in. You made a joke in a dm to me 'you'd make a great moderator'. I laughed, because I never thought so, nor do I think so now.
At the end of the day, I guess I don't understand why when someone breaks the ToS they get a warning. Instead of at the very least a temp ban.


@julius the internet is far from anonymous. You're attached to the words you type down through your account.
I've had members of this site enroll their child in a program I'm attached to irl.(as well as continue to enroll their child in said programs.)
The internet isn't anonymous anymore than phone calls are.

We have other mods?
 
Even joking about trying to get someone fired is fucked up. Making then think that? Really fucked up. That's my opinion.
Prune, let me be clear because of all the false accusations i will make this clear as day.

no one made a joke to get anyone fired. No one thought of a joke to look like they were getting someone fired.
The joke was going to be to quote a bunch of rude posts from hcp and say we sent them to blazers brass. How they take it is not our issue.

now, if this joke looks like trying to joke Bout someone getting them fired, how would that be?

hcp made the posts. They are there for anyone to read. Simply making the blazers aware of them is not getting him fired is it? or trying is it?

i mean if he is so cool and means no harm, then what, in his posts, would get him fired? Nothing right? So the joke would be invalid from the start. Unless he is behaving in a way that is not cool Nd they would frown upon. If that is the case, then wtf is his issue????

if there is something in his posts that would get him fired, wouldn't that be on him for making those posts???

Im so sick of this hcp is a golden child shit.

If he is so cool Nd perfect, then alerting the blazers to his posts would only make him look even better right?

so we cNt joke Bout playing a prank like this because why? Because hcp is innocent and doesnt deserve it?

gtfo with that bs.

you so what you reep.

he joked about killing someone. Joking Bout getting someone fired is worse?

whoever thinks that has their priorities all whacked and oozes with bias favoritism. sorry man. I have mad respect for you prune, but you are off base on this.
 
So I have a question for the admins of this site.
So @SlyPokerDog @Denny Crane
The rest of the admins need not respond as I have little to no interest in reading what they have to say.
I've made this clear to Sly the last time we met in person. He does very well not wielding his powers with emotion. The rest of the crew doesn't.
(tbf doesn't count as that crew because I don't visit this site as often due to life. Meaning I've had very few interactions with him)
Anyway.

iirc sabons or whatever the exact spelling was... He got banned after posting a slur about the former Ducks coach who got fired.(maybe it wasn't the former Ducks coach? but it was some college football coach)
Now personally I would've booted him instantly without the need to say 'don't do it again'.
But he was warned, his post edited and iirc about 8 hours later after there was a huge fit thrown(rightfully so because I was personally thinking wtf are the admins doing not instantly banning instead choosing to give a warning) by a certain member of this forum. This sabonis guy did it again. Twice iirc.
He was then banned.

So onto my question.
Are you able to explain why exactly the official site of the portland trail blazers are giving out warnings for people who clearly break the ToS?
Now it's been quite awhile since I've even skimmed the ToS as my account has been around quite a while.
But I can only assume that if someone breaks the ToS and uses a slur that would be considered a bannable offense and no warning needed. Regardless of context.
Why don't you just ban people for breaking the ToS and move on? You're not paid to do this job, you volunteer.
The only thing not banning people who use slurs/post offensive jokes allows is confusion. Which leads to drama because then you have people(who in your own words) get very good at attacking the post. Not the poster.
I get it being all inclusive is a good thing. If all people were like that irl, the world would have less hate. But if someone spews hate the only way to stop it is to treat it like a virus and give it no platform to fester.

@SlyPokerDog long ago when you found out what my eventual(completed now) PHD was going to be in. You made a joke in a dm to me 'you'd make a great moderator'. I laughed, because I never thought so, nor do I think so now.
At the end of the day, I guess I don't understand why when someone breaks the ToS they get a warning. Instead of at the very least a temp ban.


@julius the internet is far from anonymous. You're attached to the words you type down through your account.
I've had members of this site enroll their child in a program I'm attached to irl.(as well as continue to enroll their child in said programs.)
The internet isn't anonymous anymore than phone calls are.

Sorry, but when I get a dm from a mod asking. 'wtf are you talking about'.
That comes across as quite emotional.
People need to choose their words carefully. Even more so when you've been given a position of power.
This wasn't you.

At the end of the day Sly over the years has only got grumpy once. And really I believe that one time was completely justified as someone attacked his grandson.
Sly has years of attempting to build a culture on this site. He's done quite well in some areas, and not so well in others. But one thing that can never be questioned about Sly is his ability to take a neutral stance.
I can't say the same for the rest of you, I'm sorry.

Like nails on a chalkboard...
 
Nope. I haven't taken the throne from Sly yet
Keep on trying, success is right around the corner.
Of course I'm going to tell Sly all about your little maneuver. (I hope I didn't say this out loud. I've got enough trouble in here.)
 
Prune, let me be clear because of all the false accusations i will make this clear as day.

no one made a joke to get anyone fired. No one thought of a joke to look like they were getting someone fired.
The joke was going to be to quote a bunch of rude posts from hcp and say we sent them to blazers brass. How they take it is not our issue.

now, if this joke looks like trying to joke Bout someone getting them fired, how would that be?

hcp made the posts. They are there for anyone to read. Simply making the blazers aware of them is not getting him fired is it? or trying is it?

i mean if he is so cool and means no harm, then what, in his posts, would get him fired? Nothing right? So the joke would be invalid from the start. Unless he is behaving in a way that is not cool Nd they would frown upon. If that is the case, then wtf is his issue????

if there is something in his posts that would get him fired, wouldn't that be on him for making those posts???
Odd that you begin with, "let me be clear", since the rest is just a jumbled mess of poor grammar.

Did you send anything to his employer or not? I can't tell.
 
Odd that you begin with, "let me be clear", since the rest is just a jumbled mess of poor grammar.

Did you send anything to his employer or not? I can't tell.
It was painful to read 'so' (sew) and 'reep' (reap).
 
Prune, let me be clear because of all the false accusations i will make this clear as day.

no one made a joke to get anyone fired. No one thought of a joke to look like they were getting someone fired.
The joke was going to be to quote a bunch of rude posts from hcp and say we sent them to blazers brass. How they take it is not our issue.

now, if this joke looks like trying to joke Bout someone getting them fired, how would that be?

hcp made the posts. They are there for anyone to read. Simply making the blazers aware of them is not getting him fired is it? or trying is it?

i mean if he is so cool and means no harm, then what, in his posts, would get him fired? Nothing right? So the joke would be invalid from the start. Unless he is behaving in a way that is not cool Nd they would frown upon. If that is the case, then wtf is his issue????

if there is something in his posts that would get him fired, wouldn't that be on him for making those posts???

Im so sick of this hcp is a golden child shit.

If he is so cool Nd perfect, then alerting the blazers to his posts would only make him look even better right?

so we cNt joke Bout playing a prank like this because why? Because hcp is innocent and doesnt deserve it?

gtfo with that bs.

you so what you reep.

he joked about killing someone. Joking Bout getting someone fired is worse?

whoever thinks that has their priorities all whacked and oozes with bias favoritism. sorry man. I have mad respect for you prune, but you are off base on this.
Sending anything to an employer regarding an employee that is not a compliment is a dicey thing to do. I've sent a lot of messages to the bosses of co-workers but they've always been compliments. Why is that? Because an employer might take it the wrong way and then you're in trouble.
No, it is not the business of anyone to send any shit to any employer unless you are either making a nice compliment of saying something nasty for a good reason. They should keep their nose out of a person's job otherwise.
So, I'm gonna object and loudly object.
 
Odd that you begin with, "let me be clear", since the rest is just a jumbled mess of poor grammar.

Did you send anything to his employer or not? I can't tell.
Serious dude? In his first post he stated he would read the shit later. Now, he's having to defend himself on the fly again. I think he deserves a pass on the grammer and spelling.....
 
Like nails on a chalkboard...

If you don't like my posts you're welcome to put me on ignore. Instead of throwing an insult out. Just like you did in the last interaction I had with you.
As I put you on ignore shortly after you joined from O-live.
The only reason why I see your posts nowadays is I have a tendency to read the forum not logged in from time to time.

Or you can continue to follow me around like a lost puppy. Your decision.

Edit - Also I brought up my personal life again. How did I know when I did that you'd respond with an insult? Maybe because 10 days ago you did the same thing? Which was pretty much the last time I spent more than 30seconds on this site.
But the ignore feature exists for a reason. I should stop being lazy and reading the site not-logged in. Problem solved. Can't control your response, only my own.
 
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Serious dude? In his first post he stated he would read the shit later. Now, he's having to defend himself on the fly again. I think he deserves a pass on the grammer and spelling.....
He doesn't deserve jack shit from me if he's crossing this line. So I was asking an honest question that his poor grammar didn't answer clearly for me...
 
Serious dude? In his first post he stated he would read the shit later. Now, he's having to defend himself on the fly again. I think he deserves a pass on the grammer and spelling.....
You've got to admit, the grammar and spelling were painful. Kind of like the screeching on a blackboard.
 
He doesn't deserve jack shit from me if he's crossing this line. So I was asking an honest question that his poor grammar didn't answer clearly for me...
Well, if people go back and reread Slys OP; he never says the Blazers were actually contacted. Most here have taken on that assumption....

And I agree with you. That would be fucked up, and crossing the line.
 

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