Aldridge has quit

[magnifier661]

Such as...

Yeah, he's made more mid-range field goals than anyone in the league, but if you sort by quantity taken, he's also at the top, by a huge margin (125 more than #2 Demar Derozan). In fact the distance between him and #2 is greater than the distance between #2 and #13. Quite simply, he is unreasonably in love with that shot, and that's not a good thing, considering the fact that his FG% from that range is only 42.3% (which is 120th in the league, or 77th in the league of those who have taken at least 40 in game).

the Blazers have taken 5165 FGA this year, of which Aldridge's 613 mid range jumpers are 11.9%. On those shots, Aldridge hits 42.3%, gaining him .845 points per shot. On ALL OTHER shots taken by the Blazers this year (including Aldridge from other spots), they have made 2055 of 4552 (45.1%), of which 513 FGM were also 3 pointers, giving cumulative 1.016 points per shot. If (in theory) we scored at the same rate on those 613 Aldridge mid-range shots as we do on all other shots, that would equate to an additional 105 points scored over the course of the season (not even taking into account additional free throws that might be earned).

So, are we seriously touting Aldridge shooting the least efficient shot on the floor (the long 2) 10 times per game at a mediocre percentage as a positive?

And yet that % is better than almost any of our guards at the same area. Hmmmmm. So does that mean Aldridge is our best wing? Maybe he should play sf like sheed did

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

ZBO: "He shoots too much, his rebounding is overrated and just is a black hole on offense. he'll never learn to pass. We need to trade him ASAP!" :MARIS61:

Aldridge: "He doesn't shoot enough, he needs to rebound more and be more of "the man". We need to trade him ASAP!" :MARIS61:

 

[Boise Blazer]

You know Im beginning to wonder if LMA is still a good for fit for Lillard but just in a different role. Meaning is a better fit for our team and Lillard for Lillard to become more of the focal point and LMA to become more of a secondary option. LMA's jump shot is effective in spacing the floor which helps Lillard but would it help our offense by cutting down on the frequency of it. Or maybe more simply put can LMA adapt and still be the right choice for this team? And how would that role look for LMA if we actually had a legit center?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What, you mean a high screen and roll player? LMA is as perfect as you can get as a complimentary piece to Lillard IMO. Its like a Stockton to Malone for the new generation. :MARIS61:

Get a defensive center in there and we're pretty golden.

 

[Boise Blazer]

What, you mean a high screen and roll player? LMA is as perfect as you can get as a complimentary piece to Lillard IMO. Its like a Stockton to Malone for the new generation. :MARIS61:

Get a defensive center in there and we're pretty golden.

Agreed. Their pick and roll is great. I would like to see him roll more than he shoots but I think LMA fits very well in that regard. The question may be more of how is the best way to use LMA outside of the pick roll and using Lillard as more of the focus than LMA. Im certainly not a coach but I have to believe that LMA is talented to make it work and be the right for this team I just wonder if the frequency of using LMA is the key to maximizing the effectiveness of our team.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And yet that % is better than almost any of our guards at the same area. Hmmmmm. So does that mean Aldridge is our best wing? Maybe he should play sf like sheed did

Except that it's not. He's behind both Barton (45.7%) and Lillard (44.2%). Even better, it's FAR worse than Hickson (55 for 107, 51.4%). Maybe JJ should be our pick and pop PF, and Aldridge should stay down in the block.

 

[magnifier661]

Except that it's not. He's behind both Barton (45.7%) and Lillard (44.2%). Even better, it's FAR worse than Hickson (55 for 107, 51.4%). Maybe JJ should be our pick and pop PF, and Aldridge should stay down in the block.

It's weird though. I see no mention of batum or Matthews; who are supposed to be deadly there. How'd they fare?

And wtf Barton?! Come on man. The dude plays like 2 minutes a game!

 

[Natebishop3]

What, you mean a high screen and roll player? LMA is as perfect as you can get as a complimentary piece to Lillard IMO. Its like a Stockton to Malone for the new generation. :MARIS61:

Get a defensive center in there and we're pretty golden.

Except Aldridge isn't even close to Malone. Just that little tiny problem.

 

[magnifier661]

Except Aldridge isn't even close to Malone. Just that little tiny problem.

Don't think he meant the exact Stockton and Malone. They would do the same type of damage, but instead of the roll; it's a pop. Aldridge is wide open almost at will. If Aldridge shot better from that point; that duo would be unstoppable.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It's weird though. I see no mention of batum or Matthews; who are supposed to be deadly there. How'd they fare?

And wtf Barton?! Come on man. The dude plays like 2 minutes a game!

Barton's taken over 100 mid range shots this year. He qualifies.

Matthews and Batum don't take the mid-range shot nearly as often as they take threes. Do you really want me to pull out their points per shot from outside and compare it to Aldridge's?

You know you're on the losing side of this debate, Mags--you may as well just quit.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Except Aldridge isn't even close to Malone. Just that little tiny problem.

:MARIS61:

 

[magnifier661]

And you mentioned that Aldridge takes 11% of the blazer's shots from that mark; then give us a small sample size of 100 total shots by hickson at that mark? Come on man!!!! That is hardly comparing apples to apples. It's like apples to crude oil. 100 shots is like 2 total game worth of shots! Lol

 

[magnifier661]

Barton's taken over 100 mid range shots this year. He qualifies.

Matthews and Batum don't take the mid-range shot nearly as often as they take threes. Do you really want me to pull out their points per shot from outside and compare it to Aldridge's?

You know you're on the losing side of this debate, Mags--you may as well just quit.

Actually I would love for you to pull it out. I'm asking shots at the range you just commented on. I don't have a computer to look it up myself. Please teach me!

So you think 100 shots qualify? And btw, being probably the #1 or #2 defensive assignment all game. This is why those advanced numbers are swayed. No account for the defense rather leaving a Barton or hickson open, than Aldridge or Lillard.

If you disagree that isn't a factor, then I guess you won!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Actually I would love for you to pull it out. I'm asking shots at the range you just commented on. I don't have a computer to look it up myself. Please teach me!

So you think 100 shots qualify? And btw, being probably the #1 or #2 defensive assignment all game. This is why those advanced numbers are swayed. No account for the defense rather leaving a Barton or hickson open, than Aldridge or Lillard.

If you disagree that isn't a factor, then I guess you won!

Actually, sorry, I was mistaken on Barton. I must have been looking at Hickson's number.

My whole point here has been that Aldridge is highly inefficient with this shot, and he shoots it an inordinate amount for its value. Talking about Matthews' percentage there is pointless (and a clever misdirection on your part, I'll admit) since he shoots the 3-ball three times as often. Now if Matthews were taking the mid-range jumper 10 times per game, or even 5, then it would be a relevant comparison. If you want to talk about all shots taken outside the paint, Matthews is 135 of 335 from 3 and 44 of 109 from mid-range, which equates to 449 points from 444 shots--about 75 more points than Aldridge would get out of an equal number of mid-range shots.

And if Aldridge being the #1 or #2 defensive assignment all game causes his jump shots to be inefficient, maybe he shouldn't take so many!! If Hickson is "open" every time he takes a mid-range jumper, then maybe he should be taking more. The contention that Aldridge is taking low efficiency shots because that's all he can get suggests that he's either a ballhog or a poor decision-maker. Is that really the character you want to attribute to him?

 

[Boise Blazer]

So does anyone know if the high amount of jumpers that LMA is taking this year is a product of Stotts' system or has he always been amongst the league leaders?

ie Does Stotts deserve some of the blame for trying to make LMA into Dirk?

 

[Rhal]

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=200746 A nice shot chart of his showing %. Unfourantly it can't be broken down into how many shots are from the PnP and how many are desperation shots. He put up a lot of shots at the end of a shot clock early in the season, I wonder how that has effected the %.

 

[Rhal]

So does anyone know if the high amount of jumpers that LMA is taking this year is a product of Stotts' system or has he always been amongst the league leaders?

ie Does Stotts deserve some of the blame for trying to make LMA into Dirk?

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=200746&Season=2010-11
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=200746&Season=2011-12

He has taken a lot more jumpers this year then the last two years. I wonder how much of it has to do with how many jumpers he was taking in the first 20 games. Seemed to show up out of shape because of his surgery and took awhile to get into rhythm.

 

[magnifier661]

Actually, sorry, I was mistaken on Barton. I must have been looking at Hickson's number.

My whole point here has been that Aldridge is highly inefficient with this shot, and he shoots it an inordinate amount for its value. Talking about Matthews' percentage there is pointless (and a clever misdirection on your part, I'll admit) since he shoots the 3-ball three times as often. Now if Matthews were taking the mid-range jumper 10 times per game, or even 5, then it would be a relevant comparison. If you want to talk about all shots taken outside the paint, Matthews is 135 of 335 from 3 and 44 of 109 from mid-range, which equates to 449 points from 444 shots--about 75 more points than Aldridge would get out of an equal number of mid-range shots.

And if Aldridge being the #1 or #2 defensive assignment all game causes his jump shots to be inefficient, maybe he shouldn't take so many!! If Hickson is "open" every time he takes a mid-range jumper, then maybe he should be taking more. The contention that Aldridge is taking low efficiency shots because that's all he can get suggests that he's either a ballhog or a poor decision-maker. Is that really the character you want to attribute to him?

Great points, but I question the opportunity. Could it be that Aldridge is taking that many shots because the coach calls for them? Maybe that his teammates may have been shooting poorly and the bench has been dismal; that he's required to carry a much higher offensive load? It comes full circle to the quote from quick, explaining tired players fumble the ball more and miss shots. Obviously Lillard and Aldridge have taken te most shots; which is a direct result in poor shooting.

It's also a bit revealing that the moment maynor came to town; Lillard is making more shots efficiently. I could only imagine if we actually had another low post scorer; the possibility of aldridges efficiency would go up as well?

 

[jlprk]

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=200746 A nice shot chart of his showing %. Unfourantly it can't be broken down into how many shots are from the PnP and how many are desperation shots. He put up a lot of shots at the end of a shot clock early in the season, I wonder how that has effected the %.

Here's a heat map of his shot distribution. It takes 5 seconds to load.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01/shooting/2013/

 

[BrianFromWA]

From that link:
-Lillard takes more shots from inside the "restricted area" than LMA does (265-261), but at a worse FG% (65% to 54%).

-LMA is #53 in the league in number of shots attempted from the paint (and shoots 65.1% from there).

-#14 (with 192 FGA) in "in the paint" shots, at a 43.2% rate.

-#1 (by FAR) in "mid-range" shots, shooting 42.3% on his 613 shots. No one else is within 100, and the next in line are DeRozan (shooting 41%), KG (shooting 45%), K*be (shooting 42%) and Al Jeff (shooting 40.6%).

-Put another way, on his 779 jump shots this year, he's scored 643 points. 0.825 points per shot is like having a 41% FT shooter on the floor shooting 23 FTs a game, or a 27.5% 3point shooter taking 10 shots a game. Obviously, neither of those have happened in history. The only people who shot FOUR 3s a game at that efficiency were an old Mookie Blaylock, a young Latrell Sprewell and DeShawn Stevenson.

 

[jlprk]

From that link:
-Lillard takes more shots from inside the "restricted area" than LMA does (265-261), but at a worse FG% (65% to 54%).

-LMA is #53 in the league in number of shots attempted from the paint (and shoots 65.1% from there).

-#14 (with 192 FGA) in "in the paint" shots, at a 43.2% rate.

-#1 (by FAR) in "mid-range" shots, shooting 42.3% on his 613 shots. No one else is within 100, and the next in line are DeRozan (shooting 41%), KG (shooting 45%), K*be (shooting 42%) and Al Jeff (shooting 40.6%).

-Put another way, on his 779 jump shots this year, he's scored 643 points. 0.825 points per shot is like having a 41% FT shooter on the floor shooting 23 FTs a game, or a 27.5% 3point shooter taking 10 shots a game. Obviously, neither of those have happened in history. The only people who shot FOUR 3s a game at that efficiency were an old Mookie Blaylock, a young Latrell Sprewell and DeShawn Stevenson.

To sum that up in 25 words or fewer: He sucks.

 

[Boise Blazer]

From that link:
-Lillard takes more shots from inside the "restricted area" than LMA does (265-261), but at a worse FG% (65% to 54%).

-LMA is #53 in the league in number of shots attempted from the paint (and shoots 65.1% from there).

-#14 (with 192 FGA) in "in the paint" shots, at a 43.2% rate.

-#1 (by FAR) in "mid-range" shots, shooting 42.3% on his 613 shots. No one else is within 100, and the next in line are DeRozan (shooting 41%), KG (shooting 45%), K*be (shooting 42%) and Al Jeff (shooting 40.6%).

-Put another way, on his 779 jump shots this year, he's scored 643 points. 0.825 points per shot is like having a 41% FT shooter on the floor shooting 23 FTs a game, or a 27.5% 3point shooter taking 10 shots a game. Obviously, neither of those have happened in history. The only people who shot FOUR 3s a game at that efficiency were an old Mookie Blaylock, a young Latrell Sprewell and DeShawn Stevenson.

So that kinda looks like it goes back to what i mentioned before in this thread. Can LMA still be a good fit for Lillard and this team changing by his style of play a little bit (rolling more than popping) and cutting down on the frequency of his jumpers (more Lillard instead) and in turn become a more efficient player for us. Or maybe a better question is he willing to do that? Is Stotts willing to do that?

 

[magnifier661]

So that kinda looks like it goes back to what i mentioned before in this thread. Can LMA still be a good fit for Lillard and this team changing by his style of play a little bit (rolling more than popping) and cutting down on the frequency of his jumpers (more Lillard instead) and in turn become a more efficient player for us. Or maybe a better question is he willing to do that? Is Stotts willing to do that?

"Is stotts willing to do that?" --- that's the real question. Aldridge hasn't shot this many mid range shots ever in his career. It seems stotts is calling him to shoot this mid range shot. For some reason; stotts thinks Aldridge is dirk 2.0.

 

[jlprk]

Maybe Stotts has tried a 1-year experiment to push Aldridge to play as well as Nowitzki. We don't know, but you keep posting your theory as a certainty.

It doesn't matter to the Aldridge critique.

 

[magnifier661]

Maybe Stotts has tried a 1-year experiment to push Aldridge to play as well as Nowitzki. We don't know, but you keep posting your theory as a certainty.

It doesn't matter to the Aldridge critique.

And even with his deficiency; he owns the league. Just imagine if he played to your liking?! Probably shaq numbers!

 

[Hobbesarable]

So that kinda looks like it goes back to what i mentioned before in this thread. Can LMA still be a good fit for Lillard and this team changing by his style of play a little bit (rolling more than popping) and cutting down on the frequency of his jumpers (more Lillard instead) and in turn become a more efficient player for us. Or maybe a better question is he willing to do that? Is Stotts willing to do that?

I questioned LA's scoring efficiency several days ago and I didn't have the stats at that time. Thank for you providing the nba.com link.

 

[PapaG]

BUMP

Scoring. Note FTA/game and FT %

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...r-game/sort/avgPoints/position/power-forwards

APG ... note turnovers as well

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/position/power-forwards

Double doubles ... almost 50% of his games played this season, including his past two since he "QUIT".

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/double-doubles/position/power-forwards

Trade him NOW! :MARIS61:

 

[MickZagger]

BUMP

Scoring. Note FTA/game and FT %

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...r-game/sort/avgPoints/position/power-forwards

APG ... note turnovers as well

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/position/power-forwards

Double doubles ... almost 50% of his games played this season, including his past two since he "QUIT".

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/double-doubles/position/power-forwards

Trade him NOW! :MARIS61:

Are you still hung up on this?

 

[BrianFromWA]

BUMP

Scoring. Note FTA/game and FT %

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...r-game/sort/avgPoints/position/power-forwards

APG ... note turnovers as well

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/position/power-forwards

Double doubles ... almost 50% of his games played this season, including his past two since he "QUIT".

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/double-doubles/position/power-forwards

Trade him NOW! :MARIS61:

So you're saying he's above Z-bo and Boozer but worse than West and Millsap? A poor man's David Lee? Even I wouldn't go that far. That's why you can't just use stats.

 

[PapaG]

So you're saying he's above Z-bo and Boozer but worse than West and Millsap? A poor man's David Lee? Even I wouldn't go that far. That's why you can't just use stats.

I'm saying he hasn't "quit", as this silly thread suggests.