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TBpup said:
His passing has been a surprise. He is not just hitting the open man. He is at times leading a teammate to create an opening.
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Wasn't a surprise to me. He averaged over 3 ast in college.
 
Offensely I think he better than Vonleh. But on the defense side Vonleh has him beat there at this time. But really it is going depend what the roster will look like. If it stays the same we know that Aminu will be the back up 4 so to me Swanigan and Vonleh will be battle at the 4 for starting spot.
 
BlazerWookee said:
I'd like to see Vonleh and Swanigan go at it.
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Mediocre Man said:
Wasn't going for clever, so that's ok.

You can't have people say it's just summer league when someone struggles on one hand and then praise a summer league performance on the other.
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Yes, you can.

We're not scouts. We're not GM's. We're not responsible to evaluate objectively at all times. We're fans. We're only responsible to see things in the manner which brings us the greatest amount of enjoyment from this diversion from reality. If you derive joy from evaluating players objectively, then more power to you. If others prefer to magnify the successes and minimize the failures for the sake of increasing or prolonging hope for the future, then that's their prerogative. Why must one perspective be more or less valid than the other?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yes, you can.

We're not scouts. We're not GM's. We're not responsible to evaluate objectively at all times. We're fans. We're only responsible to see things in the manner which brings us the greatest amount of enjoyment from this diversion from reality. If you derive joy from evaluating players objectively, then more power to you. If others prefer to magnify the successes and minimize the failures for the sake of increasing or prolonging hope for the future, then that's their prerogative. Why must one perspective be more or less valid than the other?
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I kind of think thats why he does it. His complaint, albeit excessively tiresome, is that people seem to pick and chose which source (etc) they agree with, based on whether or not they reinforced a preconceived notion of theirs.

I also think the whole act of "I'm more knowledgeable because I say this" has run it's course. Now it's almost a caricature, a parody of a real thought.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yes, you can.

We're not scouts. We're not GM's. We're not responsible to evaluate objectively at all times. We're fans. We're only responsible to see things in the manner which brings us the greatest amount of enjoyment from this diversion from reality. If you derive joy from evaluating players objectively, then more power to you. If others prefer to magnify the successes and minimize the failures for the sake of increasing or prolonging hope for the future, then that's their prerogative. Why must one perspective be more or less valid than the other?
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I couldn't agree more.
 
HAAK72 said:
...no no, Elton Brand was an elite defender and shot blocker thru most of his career (he also only shot 21 total three pointers during his 17 seasons in the NBA)
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lol?
Brand was a good defender & shot blocker during his time with the Clippers. Which was about 6 seasons.
Stop looking at basketball reference to make your judgement on a player.
 
I don't see how Swanigan is not our starting PF on opening night over Vonleh or Aminu... assuming no other trades are made
 
honkicracker said:
lol?
Brand was a good defender & shot blocker during his time with the Clippers. Which was about 6 seasons.
Stop looking at basketball reference to make your judgement on a player.
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Interesting:
  1. You say that rather than Love, you'd compare Biggie to Elton Brand
  2. Haak disputes that comparison based on Brand's superior defense/shot blocking
  3. You dismiss that dispute because the basis for the dispute is only applicable during his time with the Clippers
  4. So...you're saying that Biggie only compares well with a post-injury Brand? Not really the most flattering comparison.
 
e_blazer said:
From OregonLive:

"In eight games, Swanigan averaged 16.1 points and 10.6 rebounds, recording six double-doubles while joining Blake Griffin, Kevin Love and Marreese Speights as the fourth rookie to average a double-double at summer league."

It's just summer league, but that's pretty good company.
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This is false information though.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/s...A/0/Averages/All/trb/All/desc/1/Summer_League

9 players have averaged double doubles in SL, including Thomas Robinson.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The statement you quoted specifically mentioned rookies, so Alan Williams would make it five, correct?
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At least 5. I didn't check the other ones, but the quote just seemed wrong. I just don't know where they got their information from. Dwight Howard also averaged 18 points 9.9 rebounds, so I guess he doesn't count, but it's not as impressive as it seems.
 
B-Roy said:
At least 5. I didn't check the other ones, but the quote just seemed wrong. I just don't know where they got their information from. Dwight Howard also averaged 18 points 9.9 rebounds, so I guess he doesn't count, but it's not as impressive as it seems.
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They just want something to be happy about. At least RealGM has stats available. It used to be hard to find SL stats. They even have advanced metrics. Pretty awesome.
 
RoyToy said:
Right now the steal of the draft could be the pick right after Swanigan.... Kyle Kuzma at 27
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As you've already said this three times, we'll take it as read that you think this from now on.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They just want something to be happy about. At least RealGM has stats available. It used to be hard to find SL stats. They even have advanced metrics. Pretty awesome.
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Yeah, it's pretty cool. Did you know Damian Lillard was the SL scoring avg leader until Donovan Mitchell this year?

Summer League. It's big.
 
Gronk Brady said:
I don't see how Swanigan is not our starting PF on opening night over Vonleh or Aminu... assuming no other trades are made
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Don't discount seniority, knowing the system, and the fact that Aminu is our best defender. No harm in Swanigan being a featured scorer off the bench.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
NBA.com did these "stat nugget" things for Summer League, and one that surprised me was that Swanigan was the leading "shot contester" one day. That's very encouraging. Let's see if I can find the link...
Okay, not leading, but he had 14, which is pretty good:
http://stats.nba.com/articles/#!/statistical-nuggets-from-day-10-of-las-vegas-summer-league/
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What a time to be alive for basketball stat junkies.

http://stats.nba.com/articles/#!/statistical-nuggets-from-day-11-of-las-vegas-summer-league/

Hey, this is probably why we lost that game!
 
Mediocre Man said:
Wasn't going for clever, so that's ok.

You can't have people say it's just summer league when someone struggles on one hand and then praise a summer league performance on the other.
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What exactly are you going for? I have yet to figure that out.

Yes, you can have people say both things - and they can both even be right. Imagine that.

It really depends on the player, how/why he looks good/bad, the expectations, his role, his age, his position, where he's at on his development curve, etc. The world is not black and white. There are an infinite number of shades of gray (way more than 50) in between.

BNM
 
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