Exclusive All Things Brandon Miller

[Hoopguru]

"If I had to say a player right now that I would want to add to our team, I would say somebody like Mikal Bridges or OG Anunoby or Jarred Vanderbilt. Somebody like that. One of those three. I love those three guys." - Damian Lillard last summer

I think Dame will be ok we we drafted and keep Brandon Miller if trade offers don't make sense for us, based on the fact that Miller should be at least just a good, but most likely gunna be better than either OG or Vanderbit, if not already

Yeah, much of the trade talk is about front court wings and yet Miller could be the guy as you say is better than Siakam, OG, Vanderbilt, and Bridges. My preference would be to trade the pick for Bridges and some but if that doesn't wrk I hope we consider Miller over Thompson as that guy has struggled to learn to shoot the three and thats what we've needed along with rebounding.

 

[inconceivable]

Yeah, much of the trade talk is about front court wings and yet Miller could be the guy as you say is better than Siakam, OG, Vanderbilt, and Bridges. My preference would be to trade the pick for Bridges and some but if that doesn't wrk I hope we consider Miller over Thompson as that guy has struggled to learn to shoot the three and thats what we've needed along with rebounding.

Agree. Also, when Dame made comments about enough 19 y/o, he made that with the assumption we were picking lower. But we jumped up to top 3 and it just so happened that a quality wing, tall and can shoot well is available. He could veru well be the BPA and best fit at a position we need.

If Scoot is who's at 3, I hope we trade it + some. It's not a secret, many teams (HOU, NOLA just to name a few) like him, preferably to Nets for Mikal and Clax

 

[Wizard Mentor]

His release is so low man

It's higher than Damian Lillard's.

 

[STOMP]

It's higher than Damian Lillard's.

proportionally to their frames it's about the same, but unlike Dame's form it's preceded by a dip. So Miller's shot is both low and slow

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[Wizard Mentor]

proportionally to their frames it's about the same, but unlike Dame's form it's preceded by a dip. So Miller's shot is both low and slow

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proportionally to their frames doesn't matter, that's my point.

 

[theprunetang]

proportionally to their frames it's about the same, but unlike Dame's form it's preceded by a dip. So Miller's shot is both low and slow

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Check out Haliburton's shot, if you want to see a slow and low release working incredibly well in the NBA.

 

[Gronk_Brady]

proportionally to their frames it's about the same, but unlike Dame's form it's preceded by a dip. So Miller's shot is both low and slow

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Have you even watched Miller?! He has very quick release!

 

[STOMP]

Have you even watched Miller?! He has very quick release!

yes I have. I don't know what to tell you other then his shot mechanics are not ideal... low and slow. Many others have made the same observation.

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[illmatic99]

It's higher than Damian Lillard's.

Dame also shoots quick and gets a ton of separation. It might well work in the NBA, but it's a concern. His non dunk 2pt percentage is really poor in college.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Dame also shoots quick and gets a ton of separation. It might well work in the NBA, but it's a concern. His non dunk 2pt percentage is really poor in college.

Utility Sports says we'll go with Amen over Brandon and that we prefer Scoot out of the three.

 

[Freshtown]

One thing I think is being underrated here is how much he added to his game from senior year in high school to his freshmen year at Alabama. He wasn’t even considered a great 3 point shooter in high school, then became an amazing shooter one year later. And we think he can’t continue to improve his shooting form and other aspects of his game?

I feel like there’s this weird assumption that both Scoot and Amen will improve in a bunch of ways, but Miller is who he is at this point.

 

[PCmor7]

proportionally to their frames it's about the same, but unlike Dame's form it's preceded by a dip. So Miller's shot is both low and slow

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If that's the case, it hasn't seemed to stop him from shooting a very high percentage while playing against a lot of other future NBA players in the SEC.

I think we're getting to a point where we're actually looking for things to not like about some of these players.

 

[blazerkor]

The NBA is all about scoring and making 3s now, why wouldn’t we want a 6’9 stud with a BEAUTIFUL shot on a rookie deal. I’m starting to think this trade stuff is lip service and Joe wants Miller.

I think you're right and I think it's also a bullshit smokescreen that we will keep both Dame and Scoot. I think we plan on trading Scoot if he is there at 3 and we're trying to strengthen our position in negotiations by saying we would be comfortable with him and Dame.

I will say that if the Hornets get a trade for Scoot that they really like then they might take him and then we'll see what we do in regards to Brandon Miller.

 

[Blazinaway]

Have you even watched Miller?! He has very quick release!

slow first step and at best average athleticism

 

[STOMP]

If that's the case, it hasn't seemed to stop him from shooting a very high percentage while playing against a lot of other future NBA players in the SEC.

I think we're getting to a point where we're actually looking for things to not like about some of these players.

I'm always at that point with every player... just being honest about Miller's particular warts. It's not that I don't think he's a solid prospect, heck I won't be pissed if Portland drafts him at #3 and will hope for the best despite my evaluation. I see Scoot as the clear cut 2nd best prospect with Miller being in a tier of 4-5 players who could go 3. If his form was more like Glen Rice's or Klay Thompson's, I'd have him above Scoot as someone who could be a #1 option. But with his form, I do think he's going to have some issues getting his shot off.

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[blazerkor]

proportionally to their frames it's about the same, but unlike Dame's form it's preceded by a dip. So Miller's shot is both low and slow

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I'd encourage you to watch this.

Miller has no problem going straight up with his three point shot obviously, he does gather at times but it's very dependent on what the defense is doing and also where he catches the ball. He does let it dip down but he doesn't do that even close to half the time he shoots from three or anywhere else. His shot doesn't get blocked often because where he does gather, when he does, it's still higher than where a guy Dame's size starts his shooting motion. The dude has a quick release and has a lot of effective ways of getting off the three ball, it's not inconsistency its situational and that's really encouraging that his shot both from distance and midrange is something that he can do a lot of different ways to adapt to what's in front of him.

 

[PCmor7]

I'm always at that point with every player... just being honest about Miller's particular warts. It's not that I don't think he's a solid prospect, heck I won't be pissed if Portland drafts him at #3 and will hope for the best despite my evaluation. I see Scoot as the clear cut 2nd best prospect with Miller being in a tier of 4-5 players who could go 3. If his form was more like Glen Rice's or Klay Thompson's, I'd have him above Scoot as someone who could be a #1 option. But with his form, I do think he's going to have some issues getting his shot off.

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I respect your viewpoint. If he'd played against lesser competition, I think the concern would be more valid, but he's played against NBA-level athletes almost every game in the SEC and he didn't experience problems, so I think it's a minimal worry.

Not everyone shoots the ball the same way. Players learn to play around the things that might hold them back, and I think Miller already has learned to do that to an extent playing against the college competition he's faced. As I mentioned, Simons and Reggie Miller had similar shots and have done well, and Brandon Miller, being 6-9, I think actually will have fewer issues than they have.

 

[STOMP]

Thanks, already saw that one (among others) and watched a couple games too. Watching is how I formed the opinion that he dips pretty much every time and his release is low.

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[wizenheimer]

I guess the 'conspiracy theory' here would be to advertise him with little intrigue because Portland wants him over Scoot and hopes to lower his stock.

But imo, he does not look as sharp as the Thompson twins or Scoot in their workout videos.

Certainly, workout footage is quite selective but the way I see it, you put the pieces together and this practically confirms why he may be shy to attack the rim (he's too slow).

Meanwhile, his release is somewhat low. Because he is tall and lengthy enough, it won't get blocked as often. The idea is that lower = faster release. He's quick on the draw and that's why he gets his points.

But....against tough competition, he hasn't performed as well and I think his release may have something to do with it. Unlike Banchero or Tatum, who both performed well against ranked competition and who both have higher releases, I think you're going to see the limits of his offense.

He'll be streakier if he feels that he has to rush what is already a rushed shot.

A comment above stated that Reggie Miller had a low and quick release in an attempt to draw comparisons but Reggie's release was higher than Brandon's. Maybe if Brandon wants to be like Reggie, which he has the talent to be like, he'll adjust his shooting form just a tad bit but for now, I can see why it might not work as well in the NBA.

not meaning to make excuses, but in the last 3 months Miller has had a groin injury and Mono. Having had both of those things I know it can take a long time to get over either. He may be over them, but it's at least worth considering

I've recently watched a lot of video on Miller. Sometimes I see the concerns about his game you're criticizing him for. Other times, maybe most of the time, I don't see those flaws.

Scoot may be the BPA. But if there is a gap between Scoot and Miller it's a small gap, IMO. And after watching Denver win the championship, and watching the NBA for decades, I think 6'3 has to have a big-gap advantage rather than a small-gap advantage to beat 6'9.

 

[blazerkor]

Thanks, already saw that one (among others) and watched a couple games too. Watching is how I formed the opinion that he dips pretty much every time and his release is low.

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This isn't low.

 

[Hoopguru]

I was critical of Ants showing the ball before he shoots, but it didn't seem to be a big problem for him. There were a few times guard up close with quick hands knocked the ball out while he was going up to shoot.

 

[STOMP]

As I mentioned, Simons and Reggie Miller had similar shots and have done well, and Brandon Miller, being 6-9, I think actually will have fewer issues than they have.

Simons is a top shelf athlete and can free himself up at will. Reggie was one of the games all time best shooters but required coming off constant picks to free himself up. I see Miller playing the way he did in college... out on the perimeter swinging the ball ready to shoot when open. Defenses will absolutely have to stay on his deep ball threat, so he spreads the court which is valuable. I don't see him as a great end of the clock option

Also, Miller didn't do the combine so the 6'9 listing is only that. Having seen him next to and against guys who were measured, the 6'9 is a w/shoes on then rounded up listing IMO. I put him at 6'7

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[wizenheimer]

Simons is a top shelf athlete and can free himself up at will. Reggie was one of the games all time best shooters but required coming off constant picks to free himself up. I see Miller playing the way he did in college... out on the perimeter swinging the ball ready to shoot when open. Defenses will absolutely have to stay on his deep ball threat, so he spreads the court which is valuable. I don't see him as a great end of the clock option

Also, Miller didn't do the combine so the 6'9 listing is only that. Having seen him next to and against guys who were measured, the 6'9 is a w/shoes on then rounded up listing IMO. I put him at 6'7

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looks to me like he's probably a couple inches taller than RoCo, and an inch or so taller than Harkless. RoCo was 6'6.25; Harkless was 6'7.25. I'd think Miller is around 6'8-6'8.25 w/o shoes

 

[blazerkor]

Simons is a top shelf athlete and can free himself up at will. Reggie was one of the games all time best shooters but required coming off constant picks to free himself up. I see Miller playing the way he did in college... out on the perimeter swinging the ball ready to shoot when open. Defenses will absolutely have to stay on his deep ball threat, so he spreads the court which is valuable. I don't see him as a great end of the clock option

Also, Miller didn't do the combine so the 6'9 listing is only that. Having seen him next to and against guys who were measured, the 6'9 is a w/shoes on then rounded up listing IMO. I put him at 6'7

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GG Jackson measured out at 6'8.25 without shoes. Do you think he actually looks taller than Miller?

Honestly, I'm not trying to be insulting but I think you get on a kick and then just say whatever to try and back it up. If I'm wrong just do some google image searches of guys you know measured around 6'9" who you saw looking taller when standing next to Miller, so you can show those of us who haven't seen it.

 

[STOMP]

GG Jackson measured out at 6'8.25 without shoes. Do you think he actually looks taller than Miller?

Honestly, I'm not trying to be insulting but I think you get on a kick and then just say whatever to try and back it up. If I'm wrong just do some google image searches of guys you know measured around 6'9" who you saw looking taller when standing next to Miller, so you can show those of us who haven't seen it.

Trying to badger someone into changing their mind seems to be your specialty. That tactic never works but it is annoying

I don't buy silly optical dilution photos you think prove something. I've seen Miller on video next to the Thompsons and Black. He's a little bigger to my eye, not much. Too bad he bailed on the combine

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[Pinwheel1]

I also find it fun to pretend I am a scout and analyze all the players in the draft....but some of our critiques over the years about a player's shot have been proven to be "much ado about nothing". (See Shawn Marion) It is fun to discuss, but in reality, we don't know what the fuck we are talking about. There are exceptions like Turner and MKG but for the most part, we tend to overanalyze.

 

[blazerkor]

Trying to badger someone into changing their mind seems to be your specialty. That tactic never works but it is annoying

I don't buy silly optical dilution photos you think prove something. I've seen Miller on video next to the Thompsons and Black. He's a little bigger to my eye, not much. Too bad he bailed on the combine

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I guarantee you that our front office and the Hornets definitely know how tall he is... I guess that doesn't do you or I a lot of good. I might do what your saying I do but that's a little bit of...

 

[Predator]

I guess the 'conspiracy theory' here would be to advertise him with little intrigue because Portland wants him over Scoot and hopes to lower his stock.

But imo, he does not look as sharp as the Thompson twins or Scoot in their workout videos.

Certainly, workout footage is quite selective but the way I see it, you put the pieces together and this practically confirms why he may be shy to attack the rim (he's too slow).

Meanwhile, his release is somewhat low. Because he is tall and lengthy enough, it won't get blocked as often. The idea is that lower = faster release. He's quick on the draw and that's why he gets his points.

But....against tough competition, he hasn't performed as well and I think his release may have something to do with it. Unlike Banchero or Tatum, who both performed well against ranked competition and who both have higher releases, I think you're going to see the limits of his offense.

He'll be streakier if he feels that he has to rush what is already a rushed shot.

A comment above stated that Reggie Miller had a low and quick release in an attempt to draw comparisons but Reggie's release was higher than Brandon's. Maybe if Brandon wants to be like Reggie, which he has the talent to be like, he'll adjust his shooting form just a tad bit but for now, I can see why it might not work as well in the NBA.

Didn’t look as sharp but he shot better than all of them? How’s that work?

What are we doing here?

The best player in the NBA (Jokic), according to a bunch of you, wouldn’t be worth looking at because “he doesn’t love the game”, “doesn’t interview well”, and is about as athletic as a sloth so his “workout” would look like shit compared to Shaedon Sharpe.

 

[blazerkor]

Didn’t look as sharp but he shot better than all of them? How’s that work?

What are we doing here?

The best player in the NBA (Jokic), according to a bunch of you, wouldn’t be worth looking at because “he doesn’t love the game”, “doesn’t interview well”, and is about as athletic as a sloth so his “workout” would look like shit compared to Shaedon Sharpe.

This is another reason why I think so much of this shit about players slipping at this time of year because of interviews and workouts is misinformation. These teams have these guys (especially the guys at the beginning of the draft) so well scouted... they've seen them play both in person and on video for so many hours that a player would have to do something really wild to change these teams' opinions at this point in the process.

 

[Natebishop3]

I guarantee you that our front office and the Hornets definitely know how tall he is... I guess that doesn't do you or I a lot of good. I might do what your saying I do but that's a little bit of...

The Blazers and Hornets are gonna keep finding hidden inches on Scoot.