All things Dalton Knecht

[Ed O]

Redick was purely a spot shooter. Knecht has size and a ton of athleticism

Reddick was a way better shooter, though.

Reddick:



Knecht:



I just don't know what Knecht does well enough to make a difference at the NBA level. He's a good shooter, but not at the level of good NBA shooters, and while he's an efficient scorer, he's not going to be the first option on an NBA team. He's not a good passer. He's a "meh" defender. "Meh" rebounder.

 

[cheesehoff]

Knecht's calling card is his shooting. Shooting doesn't deteriorate with age. If he relied on his athleticism I might hesitate for a split second, but I can't believe being 23 could work against a prospect. I just think #7 is too high, even in this draft.

 

[rotary111]

It's not just that Knecht is old... it is that he's only had one impressive year in college. Out of five.

Two years of Juco. One year at Northern Colorado where (at age 20) he averaged 8.9 ppg. He then shot up to 20.2 ppg in his fourth college year at Northern Colorado before having an excellent year at TN.

Is it a case of a late bloomer who keeps getting better? Or a case of a guy who's just older and more experienced and more physically mature? I don't know for certain, but it's probably a mixture of the two and so his stats just aren't as impressive to me, especially with his spotty college track record overall.

I figured he was just a late bloomer too.

He had a 8 inch growth spurt his sophomore year of high school 5'8 to 6'4 and then a second 4 inch growth spurt his second year of college 6'4 to 6'8.
That is a lot of body to adjust to... twice.

In the end I trust Mike Schmitz.

 

[Natebishop3]

I figured he was just a late bloomer too.

He had a 8 inch growth spurt his sophomore year of high school 5'8 to 6'4 and then a second 4 inch growth spurt his second year of college 6'4 to 6'8.
That is a lot of body to adjust to... twice.

In the end I trust Mike Schmitz.

I don’t think he’s that tall. Wasn’t he only 6’5 barefoot?

 

[rotary111]

I don’t think he’s that tall. Wasn’t he only 6’5 barefoot?

I think you're right. Even with shoes.

It was in a video I watched recently. Go figure.

The growth spurts probably happened but the numbers were exaggerated as usual.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I figured he was just a late bloomer too.

He had a 8 inch growth spurt his sophomore year of high school 5'8 to 6'4 and then a second 4 inch growth spurt his second year of college 6'4 to 6'8.
That is a lot of body to adjust to... twice.

In the end I trust Mike Schmitz.

NBA combine measured him at 6'5.25

 

[Pinwheel1]

Redick was purely a spot shooter. Knecht has size and a ton of athleticism

Yeah Redick, was purely a spot shooter. The thing that made him so effective was he never stopped moving without the ball. Because of it, he was open a lot.
Players hated guarding him. And when he was with the Clippers he was like the 4th option on offense so you really couldn't scheme against it. I love players like that.

 

[Natebishop3]

Someone else made this comparison but I was kinda thinking about it too....




Here are there stats

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Someone else made this comparison but I was kinda thinking about it too....

View attachment 64622
View attachment 64623

Here are there stats
View attachment 64624

View attachment 64625

Saw you comparing him to a guard from Florida, and my old brain immediately thought of Mike Miller.

 

[Ed O]

Someone else made this comparison but I was kinda thinking about it too....

View attachment 64622
View attachment 64623

Here are there stats
View attachment 64624

View attachment 64625

This is where age is a big factor. Beal was 18 putting up those stats at Florida and had scored 4000 points in the NBA by the time he turned 23.

 

[HailBlazers]

Yeah Redick, was purely a spot shooter. The thing that made him so effective was he never stopped moving without the ball. Because of it, he was open a lot.
Players hated guarding him. And when he was with the Clippers he was like the 4th option on offense so you really couldn't scheme against it. I love players like that.

Really want a player like that for Scoot to consistently find.

 

[Natebishop3]

Really want a player like that for Scoot to consistently find.

I like that idea too.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If you want a teammate on the floor for big minutes to help Scoot game next year it shouldn't be a rookie.

 

[Natebishop3]

If you want a teammate on the floor for big minutes to help Scoot game next year it shouldn't be a rookie.

Unless we're trying to play capture the Flagg

 

[MrDraftGuy]

He's either a more advanced JJ Reddick or he's the Adam Morrison of this draft. Both 2006 picks, which this draft reminds me of.

Due to his FT% not being as high as 3pt shooting SGs like JJ or Klay Thompson (both hit 90% FT at various points in college) and closer to Morrison in that 70s% range, I'm somewhat skeptical of him as a shooter in the NBA. I anticipate he'll have a decent rookie year like Morrison did, though.

Some of the driving that he does, it's not going to work against NBA level defenders. A step or half step too slow and not high enough of a leaper nor particularly lanky.

Otherwise, his impressive college year came as a 23 year old, having an age and experience advantage against people younger than him. It's easier for seniors and super seniors to average 20ppg at the college level. Hence, I remember some people back in the day commenting that Nolan Smith would be just as good as Kyrie and took away pressure from Kyrie by being Duke's top player that year.....at least, on paper.

Perhaps he keeps improving exponentially and perhaps it's simply that much easier for 3pt shooters nowadays, I don't know but I don't think he's a safe pick within the Top 10.

 

[Everything Beagle]

I like guys who can Do A Thing really well. We don't have enough of those guys, and I think having a couple Do A Thing guys would make the do-anything players better.

 

[beast blazer]

How much different is he from Kris Murray?

 

[Natebishop3]

How much different is he from Kris Murray?

In terms of shooting? It's not even close.



Murray shot 33.5% from three in college.

Knecht shot right around 40%.

If you look at their measurables, obviously Murray is taller and longer.

Here were their other measurables.





So Knecht has a better vert. He did the lane agility in a better time. He did the sprint faster. So overall he's a better athlete and a better shooter. Murray is just taller and longer.

 

[Ed O]

How much different is he from Kris Murray?

They're not really the same kind of player, I don't think. Knecht is a couple of inches shorter (although they weighed almost the same at the combines) and is a significantly better shooter and got to the line more while Murray rebounded better. Knecht is also more athletic, I believe.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I like guys who can Do A Thing really well. We don't have enough of those guys, and I think having a couple Do A Thing guys would make the do-anything players better.

I can't tell what kind of guy your implying Dalton is?

 

[Ripcity4life77]

You do not NOT take a player cause your afraid it might block a spot by someone in the future IF the Blazers did not take a player cause of this then that scout or GM or whoever should be FIRED on the spot for even mentioning it.

 

[beast blazer]

In terms of shooting? It's not even close.

View attachment 64628

Murray shot 33.5% from three in college.

Knecht shot right around 40%.

If you look at their measurables, obviously Murray is taller and longer.

View attachment 64629
View attachment 64630

Here were their other measurables.

View attachment 64631
View attachment 64632
View attachment 64633

So Knecht has a better vert. He did the lane agility in a better time. He did the sprint faster. So overall he's a better athlete and a better shooter. Murray is just taller and longer.

He seems a bit more athletic, but enough to make much of a difference? He probably is a better shooter. Murray was a crap shooter last year. But for their college careers, Knecht was only 3.5% better, and Murray was better from 2.

I'm just getting a spot up shooter vibe from Dalton.

 

[Natebishop3]

He seems a bit more athletic, but enough to make much of a difference? He probably is a better shooter. Murray was a crap shooter last year. But for their college careers, Knecht was only 3.5% better, and Murray was better from 2.

I'm just getting a spot up shooter vibe from Dalton.

Watch his tape. He runs off screens constantly.

 

[Hoopguru]

I like guys who can Do A Thing really well. We don't have enough of those guys, and I think having a couple Do A Thing guys would make the do-anything players better.

Most elite shooter in the draft...for a team was was last in shooting they better improve in that area at some point.

 

[Natebishop3]

Most elite shooter in the draft...for a team was was last in shooting they better improve in that area at some point.

I think Sheppard shot better, but they're both good shooters.

 

[cheesehoff]

I wonder what taking Sheppard at #7 would do to Scoot's psyche? After spending the #3 pick on him just a year ago and having a disappointing season, I don't think it helps with HIS development. If the plan is to go after Sheppard, I think there should be a plan to move a few guys, including Scoot. I just don't know what they could get for him right now.

 

[Natebishop3]

I wonder what taking Sheppard at #7 would do to Scoot's psyche? After spending the #3 pick on him just a year ago and having a disappointing season, I don't think it helps with HIS development. If the plan is to go after Sheppard, I think there should be a plan to move a few guys, including Scoot. I just don't know what they could get for him right now.

I don't think Sheppard is a point guard.... which is why I don't like the pick.

 

[Everything Beagle]

I can't tell what kind of guy your implying Dalton is?

I’m saying his skill set (shooting) is well defined. He thus Does A Thing (Shooting). I like that in a supporting player.

 

[beast blazer]

I don't think Sheppard is a point guard.... which is why I don't like the pick.

The payoff with Reed is that he becomes a Steph Curry type player.

 

[cheesehoff]

I don't think Sheppard is a point guard.... which is why I don't like the pick.

If they draft Sheppard, it better not be to play next to Scoot. Although they are both waaaay better defenders, it's too recent to forget the last 2 small guards lineup.