All Things Domantas Sabonis

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Rastapopoulos said:
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whats your point, jokic is one player, an anomaly

even jokic isnt as quick and good ball handler in traffic like sabonis
 
Mr. Robot said:
whats your point, jokic is one player, an anomaly

even jokic isnt as quick and good ball handler in traffic like sabonis
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I think Sabonis is also an anomaly then since i don't see many PFs out there that have the height of a Center passing like that. Don't forget Nurk-Sabonis are 6'11. I also think Domantas will end up as a C and so far they didn't do it fulltime because they also have Turner. Sabonis is more like a C than PF.
 
GDiama said:
I think Sabonis is also an anomaly then since i don't see many PFs out there that have the height of a Center passing like that. Don't forget Nurk-Sabonis are 6'11. I also think Domantas will end up as a C and so far they didn't do it fulltime because they also have Turner. Sabonis is more like a C than PF.
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i guess it depends on the matchups on both positions on both ends of the floor

you dont want sabonis to defend guys like embiid, jokic, nurk, ayton and maybe someone else, thats job for turner

but on the other hand, its better to have sabonis attack nurk and similiar guys than turner
 
I've been historically very high on Sabonis, but his defense is really lacking. I think Turner would fit our team much better. Dude is a perennial leader in blocked shots and has the foot speed to switch/trap. And he can shoot to help our spacing (nearly 40% this year on almost 5 attempts a game). Turner is exactly who we had hoped Zach Collins would be. Especially if we can swap him for Nurk. While Nurk at his peak is probably better than Turner, we don't see that peak too often, and his contract status makes him a flight risk. If we can swap Nurk + fillers for Turner, I'd do it.

And most importantly, I feel like the cost to get him would be lower than Sabonis'. Fischer yesterday mentioned that the ask for Sabonis would be similar to the return ORL got for Vucevic last year (Wendell Carter, Otto Porter, and two future firsts). The equivalent would maybe be like Roco/Little/2 firsts. That's too rich for me for a guy who would not help us where we need most while being a clunky fit next to Nurk.
 
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illmatic99 said:
I've been historically very high on Sabonis, but his defense is really lacking. I think Turner would fit our team much better.
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Honestly can't see why the Pacers wouldn't build round Turner rather than Sabonis. Poor man's Gobert > Poorer man's Jokic.
But yes, I agree, if we could get either, it should be Turner, although getting either would mean getting rid of Nurk, and, flawed as he is, I just can't see getting equal value for him.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Those three guys are 25, 27 and 25. Why a rebuild? If they don't think Sabonis and Turner maximize their worth playing together, then trade one for a SF.
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They should get together with Boston: hold a raffle and one team gets Turner and Tatum, the other gets Brown and Sabonis.
 
A team like OKC can flood the Pacers, or any team, with picks. Portland can do no such thing. Nabbing anyone from the Pacers would seem highly unlikely since they are in rebuild mode. They have no use for CJ. Nurk and Roco are expirings, true. But picks are better. Ant and Nas may move the needle but only a bit.

No way Blazers get anything from Pacers, unless Dame is traded and Portland gets some picks back etc.
 
The Thunder can flood any team with picks, sure
But all Sabonis has to do is say, “uh, no thanks. Not gonna resign there.”

It’s a player driven league now, picks are overrated for high level trades when players can essentially dictate what handful of teams they want to go to.

that’s why if we trade dame it’s gotta be for proven young players, not in the draft and stash game
 
I think Sabonis would be a great fit next to Nurk. Most of his minutes in indy came with Turner, but Nurk would be an even better fit because unlike Turner, Nurk is a plus rebounder. That compliments Sabonis better and would free him up from all the dirty work. Could also get really creative offensively as they're both plus playmakers. We know Billups wants to move the ball. Dunno if Indy would be interested in CJ, but Carlisles system is almost identical to Terrys, so I know he'd fit well. I also doubt they would go into a full rebuild while he's their coach. If nothing else, maybe Cronin gets a three way deal going. I get the feeling those two front offices will work together on something. Too much comfort/familiarity not to.
 
Scalma said:
I think Sabonis would be a great fit next to Nurk. Most of his minutes in indy came with Turner, but Nurk would be an even better fit because unlike Turner, Nurk is a plus rebounder. That compliments Sabonis better and would free him up from all the dirty work. Could also get really creative offensively as they're both plus playmakers. We know Billups wants to move the ball. Dunno if Indy would be interested in CJ, but Carlisles system is almost identical to Terrys, so I know he'd fit well. I also doubt they would go into a full rebuild while he's their coach. If nothing else, maybe Cronin gets a three way deal going. I get the feeling those two front offices will work together on something. Too much comfort/familiarity not to.
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I think part of the issue is spacing on the offensive end. Turner is shooting close to 40% from 3. Nurk and sabonis feels to clunky to me.
 
RR7 said:
I think part of the issue is spacing on the offensive end. Turner is shooting close to 40% from 3. Nurk and sabonis feels to clunky to me.
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agreed. Sabonis is the better player, but Turner is a better fit for our team. And Turner is exactly what Billups' system is asking for.
 
RR7 said:
I think part of the issue is spacing on the offensive end. Turner is shooting close to 40% from 3. Nurk and sabonis feels to clunky to me.
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Both Sabonis and Nurk can knock down open shots and you can’t leave either open because of their playmaking. Would be better than Simmons and Nurk in the same lineup
 
Sabonis is the better version of Zach Collins we thought we were getting....I really want this kid ...I'd actually trade for Turner and Sabonis....Levert not so much
 
illmatic99 said:
40% shooter on almost 5 attempts a game. Mobile big who can trap and recover. League leader in blocked shots.
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Shitty rebounder for his position, doesn’t pass, limited offensive value beyond spacing. Nurk is better in the passing lanes. Nurk gets to the line more. Nurk has a better PER. Better WS/48. Their BPM is identical as is their VORP. Its not the upgrade you or anyone else thinks it is. Sabonis actually brings something we don’t have and can play with Nurk.
 
Scalma said:
Shitty rebounder for his position, doesn’t pass, limited offensive value beyond spacing. Nurk is better in the passing lanes. Nurk gets to the line more. Nurk has a better PER. Better WS/48. Their BPM is identical as is their VORP. Its not the upgrade you or anyone else thinks it is. Sabonis actually brings something we don’t have and can play with Nurk.
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i mean... how much of this is impacted by turner sharing the floor with Sabonis? We have enough evidence to know that a 2 center lineup doesn't work.
 
illmatic99 said:
i mean... how much of this is impacted by turner sharing the floor with Sabonis? We have enough evidence to know that a 2 center lineup doesn't work.
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he’s pretty much been the same guy his whole career, before Sabonis even got to Indiana.
 
Scalma said:
Both Sabonis and Nurk can knock down open shots and you can’t leave either open because of their playmaking. Would be better than Simmons and Nurk in the same lineup
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The only reason that Sabonis worked in Indy was because Turner became a good 3P shooter. Having both him and Nurk on the court would clog the lane on offense. In addition, Sabonis is not a plus on defense. Simmons shot the same 3P% last year as Sabonis does this year - and Simmons is a big plus defensively, can work as a backup PG and as a small-ball Center. Taking Sabonis over Simmons to pair with Nurk is not a good idea imho. Sabonis instead of Nurk as a smaller Center with better defensive wings makes sense - but having the two of them together does not sound like a good idea.

Turner can certainly replace Nurk as a mobile big that is a plus defensively and can switch much better than Nurk. He certainly can not score like Nurk in the post and can not rebound like him - but he is a much better 3P shooter.

Frankly, if you could flip Nurk, Roco and CJ for Simmons and Turner - you would be golden - but I just do not see the point of Sabonis + Nurk on the same team. This is not 2002 anymore.
 
Mr. Robot said:
theyre nothing similar
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Agree. ZCo was mostly a mobile defensive player and a sub-par offensive player who could be used as the hub of the offense. Sabonis is a sub-par defensive player who is good as a post player that can pass.

ZCo, btw, would have been a perfect big to play in Billup's current defensive scheme.
 
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