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Pinwheel1 said:
They were talking about his D today on one of the stations. They pointed out that a couple of years ago he was one
of the best perimeter defenders in the league and that he slipped a bit once his offense got better.

The bottom IMO is if he once was an elite defender then he has the ability to be great at it again.
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Yes, I don't think its ideal for Brown to be scoring 26ppg as he did last season, it's just not possible to have enough energy to also try really hard on defense. Similarly Damian shouldn't be scoring 32ppg as he did last year, if the Blazers are legit trying to contend.

If the Blazers had Brown/Dame/Grant/Sharpe on offense, plus some two way role players contributing on offense, they should all be able to more equally share the offensive load so everyone can focus more on defense.
 
julius said:
I think Bill did a bit on Portland once, saying how since Portland has 1 of the major 4 teams, that 1 title feels like 4.

So if Damian were to be part of a title team in Portland, even if he's an auxiliary player at that point (i.e., Sharpe just goes absolutely bonkers and becomes everything we hope he can x100), he'll be remembered as the greatest Oregonian ever.
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If Dame does win a title in Portland and retires as a Blazer he could probably get elected as mayor of Portland or governor of the state if he ever wanted.

He's a great speaker so I wouldn't put it past him. Kevin Johnson was mayor of Sacramento. A number of athletes have been elected to congress, many of whom are far less skilled at speaking or critical thinking than Dame.
 
Also not a great handle. I am against going after him for what it will cost
 
Cugel said:
Also not a great handle. I am against going after him for what it will cost
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Yeah, those mistakes (highlighted in the video package) aren't something someone who has been in the league 7 years should still be making.
 
This could go in a couple threads but will put it in here ---- no matter if it's Brown and Bridges or something else other teams are going to try and get either Sharpe and/or another 1st out of it maybe 2 and the blazers have to decide is it worth it cause I will be honest if we have to give up more then ONE more future 1st I think I would prefer to get Bridges IF the Blazers have to decide between the two.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This was the complaint that I was seeing from Celtics fans. Low BBIQ and bad decision making.
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It was a pretty bad game for Brown.

In his defense, when Tatum twisted his ankle during the first play it likely totally changed the Boston offensive game plan. Maybe Brown was trying to force too much as a primary creator. Brown has been a very effective efficient player over many years of the playoffs. The Celtics got blown off the floor in game 7, so it wasn't just Brown.

I'm still likely pulling the trigger on a Brown for Ant #3 trade if its available and Blazers ownership is ok with paying some luxury tax. Although I do have a lot of mixed feelings, and think its very possible this trade could be a big mistake years from now or potentially even months from now.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
This could go in a couple threads but will put it in here ---- no matter if it's Brown and Bridges or something else other teams are going to try and get either Sharpe and/or another 1st out of it maybe 2 and the blazers have to decide is it worth it cause I will be honest if we have to give up more then ONE more future 1st I think I would prefer to get Bridges IF the Blazers have to decide between the two.
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I'm pretty split on Bridges vs Brown. Bridges contract is superior, but Brown has been the more productive player. I'd be fine with either and I don't really prefer getting one over the other.

I'd hold firm at Ant & #3 for either player though. If the Nets or Celtics demand additional picks then walk away. Blazers ultimately might be more successful just keeping Ant and #3 as it is. If the Blazers start giving up additional future picks its even more likely the trade becomes a flop. The Blazers having control of all their future lottery picks is an important strength regardless if the team try's to make another later trade for the final piece to contend, or has to pivot and rebuild around Sharpe. I wouldn't give that flexibility up.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I'm pretty split on Bridges vs Brown. Bridges contract is superior, but Brown has been the more productive player. I'd be fine with either and I don't really prefer getting one over the other.

I'd hold firm at Ant & #3 for either player though. If the Nets or Celtics demand additional picks then walk away. Blazers ultimately might be more successful just keeping Ant and #3 as it is. If the Blazers start giving up additional future picks its even more likely the trade becomes a flop. The Blazers having control of all their future lottery picks is an important strength regardless if the team try's to make another later trade for the final piece to contend, or has to pivot and rebuild around Sharpe. I wouldn't give that flexibility up.
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Bridges is arguably more productive than Brown.

TS%: 0.587 vs 0.581
TRB%: 6.8 vs 10.4
USG%: 22.6 vs 31.4
WS/48: 0.121 vs 0.100
BPM: 1.7 vs 1.3
VORP: 2.8 vs 2.0
RAPTOR: +1.5 vs +0.2
WAR: 6.7 vs 4.8

He's a lower usage player, and doesn't rebound as well - but otherwise Bridge is equal or better than Brown according to most of the advanced analytics.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This was the complaint that I was seeing from Celtics fans. Low BBIQ and bad decision making.
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I'm a Duck fan....meaning about 3/4 of the college basketball games I watch are Pac-12 games. I saw Brown at Cal 4 times. I'm really surprised about the fact he was drafted 3rd and has become such a good player. That's because from what I saw at Cal he had bad BBIQ, was a major bricklayer, and was a turnover waiting to happen
 
WesleyMatthews said:
It was a pretty bad game for Brown.

In his defense, when Tatum twisted his ankle during the first play it likely totally changed the Boston offensive game plan. Maybe Brown was trying to force too much as a primary creator. Brown has been a very effective efficient player over many years of the playoffs. The Celtics got blown off the floor in game 7, so it wasn't just Brown.

I'm still likely pulling the trigger on a Brown for Ant #3 trade if its available and Blazers ownership is ok with paying some luxury tax. Although I do have a lot of mixed feelings, and think its very possible this trade could be a big mistake years from now or potentially even months from now.
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Yeah, I think people are overthinking Brown's last game. Do I want him as my PG running the offense? No, I don't even want him as my SG. But if he was our starting SF then I think we have 4 good starters. Yes, he might be an inch too short but he is still a good defender IMO. He is a strong dude and I think can guard bigger SFs. A 7' wing span is not horrible.

His salary requirements are my only concern. But his overall skill level as an SF is much better than we usually have.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Bridges is arguably more productive than Brown.

TS%: 0.587 vs 0.581
TRB%: 6.8 vs 10.4
USG%: 22.6 vs 31.4
WS/48: 0.121 vs 0.100
BPM: 1.7 vs 1.3
VORP: 2.8 vs 2.0
RAPTOR: +1.5 vs +0.2
WAR: 6.7 vs 4.8

He's a lower usage player, and doesn't rebound as well - but otherwise Bridge is equal or better than Brown according to most of the advanced analytics.
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Usage, scoring, All NBA, all star teams, the eye test, local and national recognition, all have Brown prior performances as much higher. Its crystal clear that Brown has been superior IMO.

Yes some efficiency stats may show Bridges higher - they also show that Drew Eubanks is one of the best Blazers of the last decade.

Does that mean Brown will be better going forward? No, I'm high on both players and wouldn't be surprised if either was much better in the years ahead or on the Blazers.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
This could go in a couple threads but will put it in here ---- no matter if it's Brown and Bridges or something else other teams are going to try and get either Sharpe and/or another 1st out of it maybe 2 and the blazers have to decide is it worth it cause I will be honest if we have to give up more then ONE more future 1st I think I would prefer to get Bridges IF the Blazers have to decide between the two.
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Under no circumstances do we trade Sharpe. If that happens I will lead the torches and pitchforks. I also might end my Blazers fandom. I am literally in the trade Dame before Sharpe camp. What I want is Dame AND Sharpe plus Bridges or Brown.
 
Idog1976 said:
Under no circumstances do we trade Sharpe. If that happens I will lead the torches and pitchforks. I also might end my Blazers fandom. I am literally in the trade Dame before Sharpe camp. What I want is Dame AND Sharpe plus Bridges or Brown.
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other than the paranoia amongst the local chicken-little's, when have the Blazers ever given a single indication they might trade Sharpe?
 
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wizenheimer said:
I'm a Duck fan....meaning about 3/4 of the college basketball games I watch are Pac-12 games. I saw Brown at Cal 4 times. I'm really surprised about the fact he was drafted 3rd and has become such a good player. That's because from what I saw at Cal he had bad BBIQ, was a major bricklayer, and was a turnover waiting to happen
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I saw the same with BRoy when he was a dirtyDawg. I watched Aaron Brooks outplay him a few times.
 
wizenheimer said:
other that the paranoia amongst the local chicken-little's, when have the Blazers ever given a single indication they might trade Sharpe?
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Never, but it doesn't stop comments like these every 2 to 3 days.
 
Phatguysrule said:
They can get a better return for Brown than they can get for a pick. They are in win now mode. They don't want cash. They want production on the court right now for another run at a championship right now.

Nothing else makes sense to me.
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Anfernee is the exact type of player they've been missing. Their defense would still be pretty good too. They could trade Anfernee or one of their other 3 guards for a need at a different position.

All this talk about Jaylen getting more money from Boston, but what if Boston doesn't want to pay him that? Going younger gives them more cost control.

Tatum just turned 25. They still have a long window with him and can probably still go the younger route to set themselves up for the next decade.

Plus they get the 3rd pick? Tatum and Brown were both 3rd picks. Hit on another one with Ant and you really got something!
 
hoopsjock said:
Anfernee is the exact type of player they've been missing. Their defense would still be pretty good too. They could trade Anfernee or one of their other 3 guards for a need at a different position.

All this talk about Jaylen getting more money from Boston, but what if Boston doesn't want to pay him that? Going younger gives them more cost control.

Tatum just turned 25. They still have a long window with him and can probably still go the younger route to set themselves up for the next decade.

Plus they get the 3rd pick? Tatum and Brown were both 3rd picks. Hit on another one with Ant and you really got something!
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Hmm... I'm not sure I buy it. But if they want Ant that bad they can have him and the 23rd pick.
 
Trae Young for Jaylen Brown / Justin Champagnie . Would that be a straight across, or does , Atlanta get a pick too.
 
Ant + Nas + Keon + 3 = Brown + Pritchard? Yes.
+23? Yes.
Plus a future 1st instead of 23? Yes.

Simons > CJ. Some people might say not yet. Not me.
Sharpe isn’t there, yet. Not best as a starter, yet, but soon enough. Will Sharpe > Simons > CJ within 2 years? Yes. That’s my guess. Less than that? They’re good players, so I mean no disrespect.

Brown as a SF is just better as a 2-way player and with Grant and Thybulle playing D, and Dame’s gravity to the logo, I’d love the trade — even an overpay.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Ant + Nas + Keon + 3 = Brown + Pritchard? Yes.
+23? Yes.
Plus a future 1st instead of 23? Yes.

Simons > CJ. Some people might say not yet. Not me.
Sharpe isn’t there, yet. Not best as a starter, yet, but soon enough. Will Sharpe > Simons > CJ within 2 years? Yes. That’s my guess. Less than that? They’re good players, so I mean no disrespect.

Brown as a SF is just better as a 2-way player and with Grant and Thybulle playing D, and Dame’s gravity to the logo, I’d love the trade even an overpay.
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I'm good with Brown, but not all in on Pritchard. As a shooter ,Yes, as a facilitator , no. I'll take Mays as a backup PG. Ant / Keon + 3 is enough. The Blazers will have to shell out a haul of cash to extend him. I'd rather keep Nas as a backup with potential.
 
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