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[Pinwheel1]

Same thing we said about dame lol. Dame is a little slower but he had the tools to be good. I think it’s incredibly hard to be a good defender when you’re carrying the offense especially when you’re always attacking like scoot does. So there need to be a healthy balance somewhere with him

Dame was 189 lbs when drafted at age 22. Scoot is already 196 at age 19 and has a slightly longer wing span. Not sure about the lateral quickness comparison.
Either way, I do not recall much discussion about Dame's D before we drafted him. I would expect Scoot to be better at defense and rebounding. As for shooting..few are as good as Dame. He was a machine even in college.

 

[wizenheimer]

Dame's wingspan is 1.25" shorter than Scoot, which makes a difference.

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c'mon now...there's only one ball, and it doesn't split and go to both sides at once. So, essentially, he's got a 3/4 inch 'advantage'; and that's when they are standing still and stretching their arms out to maximum. Guys don't do that too often during games...as in never. That's really insignificant

I have always thought that wingspan was seriously overrated as a defensive tool. That's not to say it wouldn't be helpful every once in a while...maybe a couple of times a game. But what matters for defense is anticipation, reaction, reflex, lateral mobility, and footwork. Some mass is helpful too, at times; and of course BBIQ. I mean, you don't want TRex arms, but comparing fingertip reach straight out from the shoulders is nearly useless...IMO

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I wonder if Vegas has a line of who will be drafted at #2? I expect its Scoot, but would be nice to see actual odds that have real money behind them. Hard to know how much rumors, misdirection, speculation, or uniformed fans opinions we're hearing.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Ok I actually found this for the second pick, first number is draftkings and second is fanduel;

https://www.thelines.com/odds/nba-draft/

Scoot -140 -150
Brandon Miller +100 -105
Amen +3000 +4500

So its Scoot or Miller by a lot - and pretty close between them, with Scoot more likely.

 

[42N8Bounce]

Ok. I've checked out the highlight videos and have looked at the mock drafts. Everyone seems to think Scoot is clearly #2. I need some convincing here.

Aren't these some red-flags?
- Defensive rating of 122, one of the worst in the G-League.
- PER of 13.5. Below average for the G-League.
- 27.5% 3-pointers & 46.5% 2-pointers. Well below average for both ranges.
- 3.5 turnovers a game, and 3.3 personal fouls per game. Both well above average.
- His G-League team only won 11 games and lost 21 even though he had some talented teammates (Leonard Miller being one).
- Only played 19 games and chose not to return after his injury because "the G League feels Henderson has shown enough this season."
- Did not participate in the NBA pre-draft combine.

I'm all for betting on 'potential'. Henderson has the youth and athleticism for sure. But at what point is he supposed to execute this talent to produce some solid numbers?

 

[Ed O]

Scoot is the second-best prospect in this draft by a mile. If Portland trades away from him or chooses not to draft him, the franchise will regret it for at least a decade.

He's not a perfect player by any means but he was good in the G League as one of the youngest guys in it. It would be idiocy not to draft him if we have the chance.

 

[Hoopguru]

Ok. I've checked out the highlight videos and have looked at the mock drafts. Everyone seems to think Scoot is clearly #2. I need some convincing here.

Aren't these some red-flags?
- Defensive rating of 122, one of the worst in the G-League.
- PER of 13.5. Below average for the G-League.
- 27.5% 3-pointers & 46.5% 2-pointers. Well below average for both ranges.
- 3.5 turnovers a game, and 3.3 personal fouls per game. Both well above average.
- His G-League team only won 11 games and lost 21 even though he had some talented teammates (Leonard Miller being one).
- Only played 19 games and chose not to return after his injury because "the G League feels Henderson has shown enough this season."
- Did not participate in the NBA pre-draft combine.

I'm all for betting on 'potential'. Henderson has the youth and athleticism for sure. But at what point is he supposed to execute this talent to produce some solid numbers?

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Amazing what marketing & hype can do for a young player and superb potential.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Ok. I've checked out the highlight videos and have looked at the mock drafts. Everyone seems to think Scoot is clearly #2. I need some convincing here.

Aren't these some red-flags?
- Defensive rating of 122, one of the worst in the G-League.
- PER of 13.5. Below average for the G-League.
- 27.5% 3-pointers & 46.5% 2-pointers. Well below average for both ranges.
- 3.5 turnovers a game, and 3.3 personal fouls per game. Both well above average.
- His G-League team only won 11 games and lost 21 even though he had some talented teammates (Leonard Miller being one).
- Only played 19 games and chose not to return after his injury because "the G League feels Henderson has shown enough this season."
- Did not participate in the NBA pre-draft combine.

I'm all for betting on 'potential'. Henderson has the youth and athleticism for sure. But at what point is he supposed to execute this talent to produce some solid numbers?

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If you believe these stats are important when drafting for the future, then there is nothing anyone can say that will convince you.

 

[blazerfan11]

Amazing what marketing & hype can do for a young player and superb potential.

Too bad the Trail Blazers didn't go for marketing & hype and superb potential in 1984.

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/17/sports/nba-draft-is-a-peek-into-future.html

The next two, and possibly three picks, will provide little mystery.
The Portland Trail Blazers are expected to use the second choice for 7-1 Sam Bowie of Kentucky, and the Chicago Bulls will follow by selecting 6-6 Michael Jordan of North Carolina.
The pro scouts have tabbed Jordan, the college player of the year, ''a certainty to become a superstar.''

 

[Natebishop3]

Ok. I've checked out the highlight videos and have looked at the mock drafts. Everyone seems to think Scoot is clearly #2. I need some convincing here.

Aren't these some red-flags?
- Defensive rating of 122, one of the worst in the G-League.
- PER of 13.5. Below average for the G-League.
- 27.5% 3-pointers & 46.5% 2-pointers. Well below average for both ranges.
- 3.5 turnovers a game, and 3.3 personal fouls per game. Both well above average.
- His G-League team only won 11 games and lost 21 even though he had some talented teammates (Leonard Miller being one).
- Only played 19 games and chose not to return after his injury because "the G League feels Henderson has shown enough this season."
- Did not participate in the NBA pre-draft combine.

I'm all for betting on 'potential'. Henderson has the youth and athleticism for sure. But at what point is he supposed to execute this talent to produce some solid numbers?

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Why do people keep using basketball reference? The G League has their own stats and they don't line up with the other site. The kid played in 19 games. That's an extremely low sample size. It's also important to note that the Ignite are not a normal G League team. They're a developmental team and they play a lot of exhibitions. The main goal of that team is not to win games.

It's also strange that you mentioned the combine, because Wemby and Miller didn't participate either.

Go look at some of this games though. (Their schedule doesn't make sense. Their is a chunk of games from January of 2022 through March of 2022 and then November through December of 2022. He had a couple of really good stretches and then a couple of mediocre stretches in that time.

Game 1 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

Game 2 - 26 points off 10/13 shooting, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 3 - DNP

Game 4 - 21 points off 8/18 shooting, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 5 - 21 points off 6/16 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 3 steals

Game 6 - 27 points off 9/16 shooting, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

So for the first five games he averaged 23 ppg off 53% shooting, 7.2 assists, 5 rebounds, and 1.8 steals.

Game 7 - 12 points off 5/15 shooting, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, and 3 steals.

Game 8 - 9 points off 4/13 shooting, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 9 - 22 points off 5/14 shooting, 7 assists, 1 rebound, and 0 steals.

Game 10 - DNP

Game 11 - DNP

Game 12 - DNP

Game 13 - played 7 minutes

Game 14 - DNP

Game 15 - DNP

Game 16 - DNP

Game 17 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 14 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 18 - 10 points off 5/14 shooting, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 19 - 14 points off 6/11 shooting, 9 assists, 9 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 20 - 14 points off 4-12 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 21 - 15 points off 4/17 shooting, 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 22 - 14 points off 4/10 shooting, 4 assists, 7 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 23 - 17 points off 7/19 shooting, 5 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal'

Game 24 - 15 points off 6/16 shooting, 12 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 25 - DNP

Game 26 - DNP

Game 27 - DNP

Game 28 - DNP

Game 29 - DNP

Game 30 - DNP

Game 31 - 25 points off 7/16 shooting, 7 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 32 - 25 points off 10/27 shooting, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals

Game 33 - DNP

Game 34 - 18 points off 8 /19 shooting, 16 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 35 - 26 points off 10/16 shooting, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals

Game 36 - 27 points off 12/20 shooting, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals

Game 37 - 9 minutes

Game 38 - DNP

Game 39 - DNP

Game 40 - DNP

Game 41 - DNP

Game 42 - DNP

Game 43 - DNP

Game 44 - DNP

Game 45 - DNP

He played the last two games
18 points off 7/12 shooting, 3 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

12 points off 4/15 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

 

[Hoopguru]

Ok. I've checked out the highlight videos and have looked at the mock drafts. Everyone seems to think Scoot is clearly #2. I need some convincing here.

Aren't these some red-flags?
- Defensive rating of 122, one of the worst in the G-League.
- PER of 13.5. Below average for the G-League.
- 27.5% 3-pointers & 46.5% 2-pointers. Well below average for both ranges.
- 3.5 turnovers a game, and 3.3 personal fouls per game. Both well above average.
- His G-League team only won 11 games and lost 21 even though he had some talented teammates (Leonard Miller being one).
- Only played 19 games and chose not to return after his injury because "the G League feels Henderson has shown enough this season."
- Did not participate in the NBA pre-draft combine.

I'm all for betting on 'potential'. Henderson has the youth and athleticism for sure. But at what point is he supposed to execute this talent to produce some solid numbers?

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I believe his FG% is 43.5%

 

[42N8Bounce]

Why do people keep using basketball reference? The G League has their own stats and they don't line up with the other site. The kid played in 19 games. That's an extremely low sample size. It's also important to note that the Ignite are not a normal G League team. They're a developmental team and they play a lot of exhibitions. The main goal of that team is not to win games.

It's also strange that you mentioned the combine, because Wemby and Miller didn't participate either.

Go look at some of this games though. (Their schedule doesn't make sense. Their is a chunk of games from January of 2022 through March of 2022 and then November through December of 2022. He had a couple of really good stretches and then a couple of mediocre stretches in that time.

Game 1 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

Game 2 - 26 points off 10/13 shooting, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 3 - DNP

Game 4 - 21 points off 8/18 shooting, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 5 - 21 points off 6/16 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 3 steals

Game 6 - 27 points off 9/16 shooting, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

So for the first five games he averaged 23 ppg off 53% shooting, 7.2 assists, 5 rebounds, and 1.8 steals.

Game 7 - 12 points off 5/15 shooting, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, and 3 steals.

Game 8 - 9 points off 4/13 shooting, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 9 - 22 points off 5/14 shooting, 7 assists, 1 rebound, and 0 steals.

Game 10 - DNP

Game 11 - DNP

Game 12 - DNP

Game 13 - played 7 minutes

Game 14 - DNP

Game 15 - DNP

Game 16 - DNP

Game 17 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 14 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 18 - 10 points off 5/14 shooting, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 19 - 14 points off 6/11 shooting, 9 assists, 9 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 20 - 14 points off 4-12 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 21 - 15 points off 4/17 shooting, 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 22 - 14 points off 4/10 shooting, 4 assists, 7 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 23 - 17 points off 7/19 shooting, 5 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal'

Game 24 - 15 points off 6/16 shooting, 12 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 25 - DNP

Game 26 - DNP

Game 27 - DNP

Game 28 - DNP

Game 29 - DNP

Game 30 - DNP

Game 31 - 25 points off 7/16 shooting, 7 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 32 - 25 points off 10/27 shooting, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals

Game 33 - DNP

Game 34 - 18 points off 8 /19 shooting, 16 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 35 - 26 points off 10/16 shooting, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals

Game 36 - 27 points off 12/20 shooting, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals

Game 37 - 9 minutes

Game 38 - DNP

Game 39 - DNP

Game 40 - DNP

Game 41 - DNP

Game 42 - DNP

Game 43 - DNP

Game 44 - DNP

Game 45 - DNP

He played the last two games
18 points off 7/12 shooting, 3 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

12 points off 4/15 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Agreed. Very tough to get the numbers to line up. It looks like the G-League has a 'Regular Season', a 'Showcase Cup', and 'Playoffs'. I tried to stick with his most recent data - 2022-23 Regular Season.

 

[42N8Bounce]

The draft is all about balancing that 'Potential' vs 'Production' and how that will translate to the NBA. The reason there are busts every year with players drafted in the lottery is because this is not an exact science. Just like why all-stars (and MVPs) are sometimes found in the second round.

Here's a look at how some players projected to be drafted in the first-round map out graphing their Age vs PER -



The Thompson twins unfortunately don't have PERs attached to the stats for the OTE League, so they don't show up on this graph.

It makes sense that most of the chart is filled with players from the upper left quadrant. GMs are looking for that young talent that has shown production and will break out at the next level. In the second round, GMs start to migrate to the upper right quadrant and lower left quadrant. Stay away from that lower right quadrant - the old players that haven't produced.

And yes, I know that PER is not a be all end all metric. And yes, Henderson, Miller, and Wembanyama all played in different levels of leagues. It's still fun to consider. Every player has risks. Every player has potential. Trying to predict those variables is the fun part of the draft.

 

[Predator]

Too bad the Trail Blazers didn't go for marketing & hype and superb potential in 1984.

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/17/sports/nba-draft-is-a-peek-into-future.html

The next two, and possibly three picks, will provide little mystery.
The Portland Trail Blazers are expected to use the second choice for 7-1 Sam Bowie of Kentucky, and the Chicago Bulls will follow by selecting 6-6 Michael Jordan of North Carolina.
The pro scouts have tabbed Jordan, the college player of the year, ''a certainty to become a superstar.''

MJ was a national champion, multiple-time all-American, and player of the year… when college basketball was still actually at a high level since you couldn’t be one and done.

That’s not marketing, hype, and potential.

He was already really damn good.

And his shooting numbers are far superior to Scoot’s.

 

[Portland2014]

 

[illmatic99]

When you hear things like "culture setter" and "relentless work ethic," it makes it that much easier for me to see this kid as the heir apparent to Dame in 3-4 yrs.

Trading Ant and starting Shaedon can open up close to 25-30 mpg for Scoot our 6th man and third guard early on. Dame can play off ball for 10-15 mins too.

Unless we are getting a definitive all star or borderline all NBA player in return for our pick, I can totally get behind the idea of keeping Dame and drafting his eventual backup.

3 yrs from now, we can start phasing down Dame's minutes and let Scoot take over. Reading more and more about this kid, he seems like a can't miss prospect. He just has "it" and for all the public griping about Dame's reluctance to get younger, he is a terrific mentor to the youngins.

Re-sign Grant, trade Ant for Derozan or OG, find a C that fits Chauncey's system, and open up a runway for Shaedon to play 30+ mpg and Scoot to play 25 off the bench. I think if all goes right, that team can win 45-50 wins and maybe a playoff round or two.

This would be the way to thread the needle in keeping Dame and building for a serious title run a year or two down the road when Shaedon and Scoot can become all stars.

Think of David Robinson and. Tim Duncan in 98 if you need some precedence for this kinda thought process.

 

[Predator]

I’m gonna lose my fucking mind if we draft another short guard

WINGS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS NOT SHORT GUARDS

 

[Hoopguru]

When you hear things like "culture setter" and "relentless work ethic," it makes it that much easier for me to see this kid as the heir apparent to Dame in 3-4 yrs.

Trading Ant and starting Shaedon can open up close to 25-30 mpg for Scoot our 6th man and third guard early on. Dame can play off ball for 10-15 mins too.

Unless we are getting a definitive all star or borderline all NBA player in return for our pick, I can totally get behind the idea of keeping Dame and drafting his eventual backup.

3 yrs from now, we can start phasing down Dame's minutes and let Scoot take over. Reading more and more about this kid, he seems like a can't miss prospect. He just has "it" and for all the public griping about Dame's reluctance to get younger, he is a terrific mentor to the youngins.

Re-sign Grant, trade Ant for Derozan or OG, find a C that fits Chauncey's system, and open up a runway for Shaedon to play 30+ mpg and Scoot to play 25 off the bench. I think if all goes right, that team can win 45-50 wins and maybe a playoff round or two.

This would be the way to thread the needle in keeping Dame and building for a serious title run a year or two down the road when Shaedon and Scoot can become all stars.

Think of David Robinson and. Tim Duncan in 98 if you need some precedence for this kinda thought process.

Nice take, I also wouldn't be opposed to having a wing that can flat out shoot and defend and that has length which is something we've lacked for years. It doesn't need to be a guard necessarily as Dames heir apparent, imo.

 

[Predator]

Say. No. To. Scoot.

This times 1,000,000

 

[illmatic99]

Nice take, I also wouldn't be opposed to having a wing that can flat out shoot and defend and that has length which is something we've lacked for years. It doesn't need to be a guard necessarily as Dames heir apparent, imo.

My idea is based on the premise that Scoot is a bonafide all star caliber talent who can reach that level in 2-3 yrs right as Shaedon is also entering a similar window.

 

[Predator]

I don’t care if we waste 10 million draft picks, but until we have an all-star caliber wing NO DRAFTING SHORT GUARDS

i don’t get why this is so difficult

3 finals MVPs in 30 years have been PGs.

27/30 have been NOT SHORT GUARDS

seems like a really fucking clear blueprint

 

[Predator]

When you hear things like "culture setter" and "relentless work ethic," it makes it that much easier for me to see this kid as the heir apparent to Dame in 3-4 yrs.

Trading Ant and starting Shaedon can open up close to 25-30 mpg for Scoot our 6th man and third guard early on. Dame can play off ball for 10-15 mins too.

Unless we are getting a definitive all star or borderline all NBA player in return for our pick, I can totally get behind the idea of keeping Dame and drafting his eventual backup.

3 yrs from now, we can start phasing down Dame's minutes and let Scoot take over. Reading more and more about this kid, he seems like a can't miss prospect. He just has "it" and for all the public griping about Dame's reluctance to get younger, he is a terrific mentor to the youngins.

Re-sign Grant, trade Ant for Derozan or OG, find a C that fits Chauncey's system, and open up a runway for Shaedon to play 30+ mpg and Scoot to play 25 off the bench. I think if all goes right, that team can win 45-50 wins and maybe a playoff round or two.

This would be the way to thread the needle in keeping Dame and building for a serious title run a year or two down the road when Shaedon and Scoot can become all stars.

Think of David Robinson and. Tim Duncan in 98 if you need some precedence for this kinda thought process.

Draft Amen then and follow that same plan…

They both can’t shoot
One is a good defender
One has great size
One has elite athleticism

one = amen

 

[illmatic99]

Draft Amen then and follow that same plan…

They both can’t shoot
One is a good defender
One has great size
One has elite athleticism

one = amen

One also is a yr older and played against 16 yr olds for two seasons in a league filled with nobodies, while playing a style that can be classified as a glorified AAU. Your opinion has been made loud and clear. Kindly keep your Amen takes in the Amen thread.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

When you hear things like "culture setter" and "relentless work ethic," it makes it that much easier for me to see this kid as the heir apparent to Dame in 3-4 yrs.

Trading Ant and starting Shaedon can open up close to 25-30 mpg for Scoot our 6th man and third guard early on. Dame can play off ball for 10-15 mins too.

Unless we are getting a definitive all star or borderline all NBA player in return for our pick, I can totally get behind the idea of keeping Dame and drafting his eventual backup.

3 yrs from now, we can start phasing down Dame's minutes and let Scoot take over. Reading more and more about this kid, he seems like a can't miss prospect. He just has "it" and for all the public griping about Dame's reluctance to get younger, he is a terrific mentor to the youngins.

Re-sign Grant, trade Ant for Derozan or OG, find a C that fits Chauncey's system, and open up a runway for Shaedon to play 30+ mpg and Scoot to play 25 off the bench. I think if all goes right, that team can win 45-50 wins and maybe a playoff round or two.

This would be the way to thread the needle in keeping Dame and building for a serious title run a year or two down the road when Shaedon and Scoot can become all stars.

Think of David Robinson and. Tim Duncan in 98 if you need some precedence for this kinda thought process.

Yeah I'd be very excited for Scoot on this team with Sharpe. I think Sharpe is fine for a few minutes at SF, especially if Scoot is initially on the bench in an OKC Harden role. So Dame Scoot Sharpe can all get plenty of minutes.

Also there is enough salary flexibility to get another high level starter. That's just not possible if the Blazers acquire Brown/Siakam/etc.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Ant and 23 for OG, Scoot at #3, Naz Reid MLE

Dame Scoot
Sharpe Thybulle
OG Little
Grant Watford
Nurk NazReid

Gets Dame some veteran help with OG but also have a lot of future upside with ScootSharpe. Way more future salary flexibility, depth, upside than trading for one of Brown/Bridges/Siakam.

 

[STOMP]

I’m gonna lose my fucking mind if we draft another short guard

WINGS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS NOT SHORT GUARDS

can't lose whats already lost

Superior talents/teams win championships, not wings. Jokic is about to win one despite you saying the 5 is the least important position & it certainly isn't about MPJ and KCP. Bam is a pretty important part of why the Heat made it from the East. The Celtics two great wings are gone fishing. It's a team game and wings are only part of the team.

STOMP

 

[Predator]

One also is a yr older and played against 16 yr olds for two seasons in a league filled with nobodies, while playing a style that can be classified as a glorified AAU. Your opinion has been made loud and clear. Kindly keep your Amen takes in the Amen thread.

It was a comparison between Amen and Scoot, so technically it could go in either thread.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

can't lose whats already lost

Superior talents/teams win championships, not wings. Jokic is about to win one despite you saying the 5 is the least important position & it certainly isn't about MPJ and KCP. Bam is a pretty important part of why the Heat made it from the East. The Celtics two great wings are gone fishing. It's a team game and wings are only part of the team.

STOMP

Raptors got Siakam OG Barnes and have done nothing for years.

 

[Natebishop3]

I’m gonna lose my fucking mind if we draft another short guard

WINGS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS NOT SHORT GUARDS

B.P.A.

Not interested in another Telfair situation.

 

[Natebishop3]

Draft Amen then and follow that same plan…

They both can’t shoot
One is a good defender
One has great size
One has elite athleticism

one = amen

Dude..... Scoot at least has a decent form. Amen looks like Aminu.