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Hoopguru said:
We are trading the pick…..
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What tons of people guaranteed last year, then we didn't.

Miller fits right into the Blazers lineup, is older than Sharpe and is pretty NBA ready for a rookie.

Scoot would likely mean Ant is traded away for veteran help (OG/DeRozen/etc)/ which oddly might make it more likely the Blazers keep the pick.
 
Natebishop3 said:
B.P.A.

Not interested in another Telfair situation.
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Yeah I remember how there was all this debate if Portland would draft Webster or Gerald Green, we wanted an athletic SG. Ultimate we trade down from 3 to 6 and take Webster. Green then gets drafted at pick 18.

As many faults as Olshey had I think people forget how horrific John Nash was.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
What tons of people guaranteed last year, then we didn't.

Miller fits right into the Blazers lineup, is older than Sharpe and is pretty NBA ready for a rookie.

Scoot would likely mean Ant is traded away for veteran help (OG/DeRozen/etc)/ which oddly might make it more likely the Blazers keep the pick.
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The difference imo is that Sharpe had a ? about just what you would get by trading him. Thus, probably making any trade possibility mediocre. A bit different this year in that the two players projected to go 2-3 seem to have more buzz about their talents, and the trade proposals should be much more enticing than last years.
 
Hoopguru said:
The difference imo is that Sharpe had a ? about just what you would get by trading him. Thus, probably making any trade possibility mediocre. A bit different this year in that the two players projected to go 2-3 seem to have more buzz about their talents, and the trade proposals should be much more enticing than last years.
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Well sure, theres a very real chance the Blazers trade the pick, I'd say everyone here agrees with that. My opinion is the Blazers will trade it if they can get Brown or Bridges. But its not certain they can get them. If they can't - I suspect they just use the pick.

You statement I responded to was "we ARE trading the pick" which is very different than the follow up post you made or my statement.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
I wish we were still celebrating landing the number one pick instead
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Yeah I was pretty disappointed for the first week after the lottery even though logically I knew I should just be happy we jumped to #3.

Bright side is we don't have to walk on needles worrying about Wemba health or injuries. Even if we drafted him its an odd timeline to try to build with 33 year old Dame then 19-20 year olds in Wemba-Sharpe.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Well sure, theres a very real chance the Blazers trade the pick, I'd say everyone here agrees with that. My opinion is the Blazers will trade it if they can get Brown or Bridges. But its not certain they can get them. If they can't - I suspect they just use the pick.

You statement I responded to was "we ARE trading the pick" which is very different than the follow up post you made or my statement.
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Ok, the use of ARE was to level the court of the thread. Also, Joe's comment after the lottery and Dames before the lottery seemed fairly concise about a trade happening, especially once we got the three pick. But, who really knows what happens. Everything is pure conjecture at this point.
 
How much influence does Dame & Chauncey have on the blazers direction? I can see both trying to convince Joe to swing for the fence.
 
Hoopguru said:
How much influence does Dame & Chauncey have on the blazers direction? I can see both trying to convince Joe to swing for the fence.
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I'd suspect Dame has some influence but Chauncey has virtually none in regards to what is done with pick #3. Now if we're talking about MLE signings or especially vet min signings then Chauncey could have significant input as they directly relate to his coaching decisions next season. The #3 pick is a long term organizational decision that has almost nothing to do with the current coach. This is one of the many reasons why its a terrible idea to have a single individual with powers of both the coach and GM.

Also I'm not sure how significant Dame influence actually is - versus him just being communicated early and often with the process as well as the ability to ask many questions. It might be a situation you can think of Dame as more of a 3rd party auditor just viewing what happens and hearing explanations, or a student hearing what the teacher is lecturing the subject about. Really Cronin and Schmidt and team are the experts in evaluating draft prospects and players, so it would be delusional to think Dame has some expert insight greater than people who's full time job is to work on this.

Not sure if we will ever know just how significant Dame's include is in terms of decisions the Blazers make, or if its just the organization being very polite and communicate with him of what they independently decide to do.
 
Hoopguru said:
Ok, the use of ARE was to level the court of the thread. Also, Joe's comment after the lottery and Dames before the lottery seemed fairly concise about a trade happening, especially once we got the three pick. But, who really knows what happens. Everything is pure conjecture at this point.
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You say "Especially once we got the 3rd pick". I would think that moving up might have changed things . Getting pick 7 would warrant trading the pick, but as they bring in players to evaluate....things might change. I mean they have for some of us as we dive deeper into various players.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
You say "Especially once we got the 3rd pick". I would think that moving up might have changed things . Getting pick 7 would warrant trading the pick, but as they bring in players to evaluate....things might change. I mean they have for some of us as we dive deeper into various players.
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Or the trade proposals go up with three. I would think with #3 and Simons and some we can improve a trade pkg.
Joe has stated it was his fault for not surrounding Chauncey with veteran players last year and you know the market will be very enticing with this years capabilities. When you have Simons and Nurk at decent contracts along with #3, Im expecting a swing for the fences.

If Dame has a change of heart things could change with regards to the pick...
 
Hoopguru said:
Or the trade proposals go up with three. I would think with #3 and Simons and some we can improve a trade pkg.
Joe has stated it was his fault for not surrounding Chauncey with veteran players last year and you know the market will be very enticing with this years capabilities. When you have Simons and Nurk at decent contracts along with #3, Im expecting a swing for the fences.

If Dame has a change of heart things could change with regards to the pick...
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I agree with you on this, but I still think the odds of keeping the pick went up as we moved up.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree with you on this, but I still think the odds of keeping the pick went up as we moved up.
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Agree, especially if Dame has changed his viewpoint. However, the offers are going to be to good to pass up imo.
 
Hoopguru said:
Or the trade proposals go up with three. I would think with #3 and Simons and some we can improve a trade pkg.
Joe has stated it was his fault for not surrounding Chauncey with veteran players last year and you know the market will be very enticing with this years capabilities. When you have Simons and Nurk at decent contracts along with #3, Im expecting a swing for the fences.

If Dame has a change of heart things could change with regards to the pick...
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Blazers can add vets without shipping out the #3 pick.

Sign Bruce Brown/Hartenstein/Naz Reid style vet with the MLE instead of GP2.

Heck just sign a veteran minimum backup center bigger than 6'8" so we don't have to go through weeks of the season with Grant and Watford as our backup center would be a huge improvement.

Keep #3 for that hall of fame long term upside. Fill out the roster with vets for Dame using MLE/exceptions/etc.
 
Hoopguru said:
Bridges
Brown
Embiid
Siakam & some
Adebayo & some
Giannis
Middleton & some
George & Some

Im sure Dame, Chauncey & Joe have certain guys in mind that could work.
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If your expecting players like Giannis and Embiid to possibly be available for the #3 pick your going to be way disappointed. I don't know them plus Sharpe plus future picks even gets the Blazers close.
 
Hoopguru said:
Bridges
Brown
Embiid
Siakam & some
Adebayo & some
Giannis
Middleton & some
George & Some

Im sure Dame, Chauncey & Joe have certain guys in mind that could work.
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You think these offers are realistic? Already are reports that Bridges can't be had.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
You think these offers are realistic? Already are reports that Bridges can't be had.
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?...I guess it depends on the organization and directions.
Yeah, Teams will be coy in what their wanting & willing to do.
It could also be a mix of veteran players & picks.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
If your expecting players like Giannis and Embiid to possibly be available for the #3 pick your going to be way disappointed. I don't know them plus Sharpe plus future picks even gets the Blazers close.
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lol....expect the unexpected. Giannis agree, Embiid?
If Sharpe is included (which I wouldn't he would be) that would be interesting in what could be done.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Dude..... Scoot at least has a decent form. Amen looks like Aminu.
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The fact is they both shoot like shit; good form or not. They're both laying bricks. There's tons of players in the NBA with great form and can't shoot. Some of the best players have less-than-optimal form and are great shooters. I don't care how it looks. I care about the result.

So the question is, who would I rather have laying bricks?

The guy that has elite size, athleticism, and is already a good defender...

Or the guy that is a short, no-defense guard?

Not to mention that *IF* they BOTH get their shot figured out, Amen Thompson has a much, much, much higher ceiling due to his physical gifts.

Frankly, I wouldn't bank on either of them figuring out how to shoot; thus why I favor Miller and to a lesser extent Whitmore.

But my larger point is: I'm curious why people are so willing to draft Scoot when they both have the same major flaw, but the other has every other advantage and actually plays defense? Is it simply Scoot's shot looks better so people think he's more likely to get his percentages up? And they don't care about a shitty defensive guard (again)?
 
Predator said:
The fact is they both shoot like shit; good form or not. They're both laying bricks. There's tons of players in the NBA with great form and can't shoot. Some of the best players have less-than-optimal form and are great shooters. I don't care how it looks. I care about the result.

So the question is, who would I rather have laying bricks?

The guy that has elite size, athleticism, and is already a good defender...

Or the guy that is a short, no-defense guard?

Not to mention that *IF* they BOTH get their shot figured out, Amen Thompson has a much, much, much higher ceiling due to his physical gifts.

Frankly, I wouldn't bank on either of them figuring out how to shoot; thus why I favor Miller and to a lesser extent Whitmore.

But my larger point is: I'm curious why people are so willing to draft Scoot when they both have the same major flaw, but the other has every other advantage and actually plays defense? Is it simply Scoot's shot looks better so people think he's more likely to get his percentages up? And they don't care about a shitty defensive guard (again)?
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I'd say Scoot has a huge wingspan so he has defensive potential. Marcus Smart was DPOY.

Scoot shoots better free throws - his 3's were such a small sample size. Amen looks closer to MKG than decent form. Yes I think the form is a real thing - if Scoot looked like Amen shooting and Amen like Scoot I think many would change their preference.

Scoot just has a drive, maturity, confidence and it factor.

Amen has a lot of upside but its just hard to judge with him playing against poor competition. In that regard he's just way more risky.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I haven't heard a single scout call him that.
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Everyone talks about his "defensive" potential, but my uncle could potentially be my aunt if he chopped off his dick, so I don't care about potential.

Someone posted this:

Vecenie said Scoot doesn't try defensively (or something similar).

And another guy said he had the worst defensive rating in the G league (in this thread). I'm sure I could find more, but I've seen enough to know he's not even a decent defender right now.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I'd say Scoot has a huge wingspan so he has defensive potential. Marcus Smart was DPOY.

Scoot shoots better free throws - his 3's were such a small sample size. Amen looks closer to MKG than decent form. Yes I think the form is a real thing - if Scoot looked like Amen shooting and Amen like Scoot I think many would change their preference.

Scoot just has a drive, maturity, confidence and it factor.

Amen has a lot of upside but its just hard to judge with him playing against poor competition. In that regard he's just way more risky.
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Marcus Smart is pretty much known for being a great defender and had already proven it, that isn't Scoot. Scoot has "potential", which doesn't mean much to me.

But thanks for answering the question; I can somewhat understand if that is how people feel.
 
Predator said:
And another guy said he had the worst defensive rating in the G league (in this thread).
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That was incorrect. He was getting those stats from Basketball-Reference and they don't match what was on the actual G League website.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That was incorrect. He was getting those stats from Basketball-Reference and they don't match what was on the actual G League website.
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I haven't been able to find any comparative advanced stats at the G-Leagu website. I'd be curious to see some

RealGM says Scoot ranks 338 out of 382 in def rating with a mark of 123.9

https://basketball.realgm.com/dleag...Stats/Qualified/drtg/All/asc/4/Regular_Season

a wide discrepancy between g-league, bbref, and RealGm. The g-league numbers are the kindest

never mind! I did find the comparison at the G-league site....Scoot ranked 425th out of 472

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/players/defense/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

obviously, d-rating is more of a team stat than individual stat. But it's pretty clear Scoot doesn't know defense
 
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wizenheimer said:
I haven't been able to find any comparative advanced stats at the G-Leagu website. I'd be curious to see some

RealGM says Scoot ranks 338 out of 382 in def rating with a mark of 123.9

https://basketball.realgm.com/dleag...Stats/Qualified/drtg/All/asc/4/Regular_Season

a wide discrepancy between g-league, bbref, and RealGm. The g-league numbers are the kindest

never mind! I did find the comparison at the G-league site....Scoot ranked 425th out of 472

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/players/defense/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

obviously, d-rating is more of a team stat than individual stat. But it's pretty clear Scoot doesn't know defense
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The Ignite also aren't trying to win games, their only for developing and showcasing talent.
 
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