Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

[Cippy91]

Biggest waste of a tweet ever.

Thought it was funny. Why would any front office guy care about what Olshey is doing or know what he is doing? lol

 

[Cippy91]

The biggest thing Quick ever broke was ezeli arriving in Portland. That's it. Our local media knows nothing and it's kind of hilarious

 

[theprunetang]

The biggest thing Quick ever broke was ezeli arriving in Portland. That's it. Our local media knows nothing and it's kind of hilarious

But that is the only part he got right. After that it was "blazers willing to offer 20 million per year as there are 45 other teams wanting to sign him".
Yes, I exaggerated.

 

[Minstrel]

I sympathize with his potential unhappiness if Portland matched, but that's life sometimes as a professional athlete. I'd feel much worse for him if he hadn't gotten a chance to find and receive his market value.

 

[Trackjack]

For business it bad deal to match but to make your team stronger you match.

 

[Blazinaway]

I think folks here should note that the salary tax projections really start to level out after next year where the cap is now projected at 102 mil, down from 107 mil. So we can't expect the cap to keep going up and the contracts we sign now are important to overall team flexibility or lack thereof and lux cap possibilities.
Here are the cap and lux tax level projections thru 2020-21

The league also released projections through the 2020-21 season.

• 2018-19 salary cap and luxury tax: $108 million/$130 million

• 2019-20 salary cap and luxury tax: $109 million/$132 million

• 2020-21 salary cap and luxury tax: $114 million/$139 million

 

[Natebishop3]

If Kent Bazemore is getting 17.5 and he's older and basically the same player...

 

[Cippy91]

But that is the only part he got right. After that it was "blazers willing to offer 20 million per year as there are 45 other teams wanting to sign him".
Yes, I exaggerated.

"still has meetings with other teams". Seems to me Ezeli had one flight here to get the deal done and had it done by that night. This didn't make sense either...

 

[Cippy91]

Doesn't wanna be here if he doesn't get a starting role, yet when asked if he would be disgruntled if matched, coming off bench, he says no...

 

[theprunetang]

"still has meetings with other teams". Seems to me Ezeli had one flight here to get the deal done and had it done by that night. This didn't make sense either...

This is why I don't trust Quick with details. I'll trust his info on the bigger picture though. He was right about Ezeli meeting up with Neil, but wrong about everything afterwards. He is correct on New Jersey offering a deal. But, I am not going to take his musings about the process seriously.

 

[Paine Tablet]

It's strange, but I dig his hair. There is a bit of a fad with that style currently, but Crabbe decided to just do it bigger and more flamboyantly than anyone else. For a quiet guy who who keeps to himself, that takes some real chutzpah.

I think he has a quiet confidence about him for sure. It's actually pretty admirable. The hair really isn't my favorite but he does do it differently than most. The added hair really does make him standout. I just think he would look especially weird with hippie locks(not dreads) and that would satisfy my peculiar interest in his ears being covered, although they'd probably peek through anyway unless he added substantially more hair - which is possible - perhaps with extensions.

 

[theprunetang]

I think he has a quiet confidence about him for sure. It's actually pretty admirable. The hair really isn't my favorite but he does do it differently than most. The added hair really does make him standout. I just think he would look especially weird with hippie locks(not dreads) and that would satisfy my peculiar interest in his ears being covered, although they'd probably peek through anyway unless he added substantially more hair - which is possible - perhaps with extensions.

That's like a fennec fox trying to disguise itself like it's from New Jersey. Just be yourself.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I think he has a quiet confidence about him for sure. It's actually pretty admirable. The hair really isn't my favorite but he does do it differently than most. The added hair really does make him standout. I just think he would look especially weird with hippie locks(not dreads) and that would satisfy my peculiar interest in his ears being covered, although they'd probably peek through anyway unless he added substantially more hair - which is possible - perhaps with extensions.

His personality reminds me a bit of Sleepy Sam Perkins (who I still believe smoked pot before games...though not saying I think Crabbe does)

 

[Duckhook]

It's fun when it's Allen's Monopoly money - I'd match AC, match Mo, and let Meyers walk. His shoulder is too iffy and his upside isn't as high as the other two IMHO. We're stacked with bigs now - nice problem to have!

 

[GDiama]

But if we match Crabbe and we max CJ our salaries will be around 115M next year. I think not luxury tax but over the cap. Then Plumlee walks for nothing and Meyers walks for nothing. Which means we'll also need to match Moe this year as we'll not have any depth and room to sign more players next year. So we also match Moe this year and we go to around 125-130 next year. Hmmm....I think we'll have the worst most expensive team in NBA history to be honest. And I don't think Crabbe will really be tradeable next year with all these stupid moves and the teams already reaching or exceeding the cap.

 

[Strenuus]

But if we match Crabbe and we max CJ our salaries will be around 115M next year. I think not luxury tax but over the cap. Then Plumlee walks for nothing and Meyers walks for nothing. Which means we'll also need to match Moe this year as we'll not have any depth and room to sign more players next year. So we also match Moe this year and we go to around 125-130 next year. Hmmm....I think we'll have the worst most expensive team in NBA history to be honest. And I don't think Crabbe will really be tradeable next year with all these stupid moves and the teams already reaching or exceeding the cap.

Aren't the Knick always going to hold the title for worst most expensive team? lol.

 

[BonesJones]

But if we match Crabbe and we max CJ our salaries will be around 115M next year. I think not luxury tax but over the cap. Then Plumlee walks for nothing and Meyers walks for nothing. Which means we'll also need to match Moe this year as we'll not have any depth and room to sign more players next year. So we also match Moe this year and we go to around 125-130 next year. Hmmm....I think we'll have the worst most expensive team in NBA history to be honest. And I don't think Crabbe will really be tradeable next year with all these stupid moves and the teams already reaching or exceeding the cap.

If we max CJ, match Crabbe, let go of Plumlee and Meyers we'll be paying $104M (Not taking Harkless into account). Whatever we match Harkless for would be added on to that. We wouldn't be paying that much.

 

[BonesJones]

I think that the 76ers would always have their ears open on a trade for Crabbe. He fits them perfectly, as they need a starting SG and they need 3 and D guy to put next to Simmons and their bigs. It's possible that retaining Crabbe would open up an avenue to trade for at least Noel. If Crabbe plays great then maybe we could make a run at Okafor while keeping our core intact.

 

[BonesJones]

Another thing nobody is talking about: We could have a lockout next summer which would result in a new CBA and a new amnesty clause. If Crabbe's contract is really that bad, we could possibly just amnesty him next year or down the road anyway, if he can't be traded first. We won't have cap space in the next couple years anyway, and the only problem would be the tax. Therefore, we wouldn't really be risking much expect for maybe paying the luxury tax. And even then, we should have multiple avenues to get out from underneath his contract.

Conlusion: Match Crabbe.

 

[GDiama]

If we max CJ, match Crabbe, let go of Plumlee and Meyers we'll be paying $104M (Not taking Harkless into account). Whatever we match Harkless for would be added on to that. We wouldn't be paying that much.

I'm checking spotrac. We have 91.5M guaranteed next season without CJ (if we keep Ezeli, Vonleh etc which would be essential at such low cost). With CJ won't it be 115? and with Moe 125 at least?

 

[Sinobas]

I can't wait till this is resolved and we get to go through this knashing of teeth again with some of you who cannot seem to understand we're in a different financial universe NOW!! This is the new price for players!!

Well, not really!! Not for a bench player.

Teams usually spend about ~75% of their cap on their starters. Decent teams are going to have at least 2 max players, which will take ~50% of the cap, leaving 25% for the other 3 starters and 25% for the bench. Of course how that is allocated is subject to the discretion of the team. But that comes out to an average of about 9 mil per year for your supporting cast starters, and an average of about 5 mil per year to allocate to bench players.

 

[Sarni]

Well, not really!! Not for a bench player.

Teams usually spend about ~75% of their cap on their starters. Decent teams are going to have at least 2 max players, which will take ~50% of the cap, leaving 25% for the other 3 starters and 25% for the bench. Of course how that is allocated is subject to the discretion of the team. But that comes out to an average of about 9 mil per year for your supporting cast starters, and an average of about 5 mil per year to allocate to bench players.

Fully agreed. People act as if the cap has gone up to $250M. $18M a year is nearly 20% of the cap this year and will still be over 15% next year. That's the sort of money you pay to a starter, not a rotation player, moreover we'll already be paying around 30% to Lillard and I'd not expect CJ to be much below 25% if at all. You'd basically be spending at least 70% on two positions if you extend Crabbe at this crazy price, it's not justifiable by any stretch of imagination. Yes, players have got more expensive since last year but that shouldn't make a player who was worth $6M - $7M a year last year worth 250% that this year!

The reason why Crabbe and co. are getting these offers is that a lot of team have suddenly got north of $20M to spend on top of what they'd have had anyway, and they had to spend this money. It'll stabilize next year and further stabilize in 2018. Some of these contracts from 2016 will be considered junk deals very soon.

 

[Sinobas]

Fully agreed. People act as if the cap has gone up to $250M. $18M a year is nearly 20% of the cap this year and will still be over 15% next year. That's the sort of money you pay to a starter, not a rotation player, moreover we'll already be paying around 30% to Lillard and I'd not expect CJ to be much below 25% if at all. You'd basically be spending at least 70% on two positions if you extend Crabbe at this crazy price, it's not justifiable by any stretch of imagination. Yes, players have got more expensive since last year but that shouldn't make a player who was worth $6M - $7M a year last year worth 250% that this year!

The reason why Crabbe and co. are getting these offers is that a lot of team have suddenly got north of $20M to spend on top of what they'd have had anyway, and they had to spend this money. It'll stabilize next year and further stabilize in 2018. Some of these contracts from 2016 will be considered junk deals very soon.

Yes, the contracts being doled out this year are ridiculous because teams suddenly more cap space than players to spend it on. But once they fill their rosters with these new contracts things tighten up a bit.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't like what's happening. I don't think it is fair or just that portland's organization and coaches spend three years developing Crabbe into a good NBA player (and he sure as hell was not that when he first got drafted. And then some other club is allowed to challenge us with this crazy contract. I think that just looking at the contract shows that Crabbe is disloyal and does not want to be here. I mean he could have seen what they were going to offer and gone back to the Blazers and asked if they could give him close to that. Why would we want him on our team and will it be possible to trade him, especially if he has a bad year on the first year of the contract?
Well, after saying that, I may be using some hyperbole. I guess if I had to make the decision, I would want to get more info on Crabbe's mindset.

We do the same shit all the time. Milsap, Hibbert and Kanter all got these poison pill type offers from us. Not fair...LOL, You gonna take your ball and go home now?

 

[SwissBlazer]

I don't know if it's the same for you but every time I think about it I change my mind about matching or not. So difficult...

 

[SwissBlazer]

At the moment I would like NeO to match it and use the year ahead to sort it out with a couple of trades. But I guess in an hour the mindset will change. Again.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Ok, i've been going back and forth and back and forth since Friday.

Final answer: Match it. Keep the asset. He's the best Shooter on our bench.
Yes, it hurts and causes financial pain - but deal with it and figure out another way (trade, shuffle, etc.).

Match Harkless next. Let ML go if similar offer. We have many more BIGS as assets than we do backups at SG or SF.

 

[Blazinaway]

At the moment I would like NeO to match it and use the year ahead to sort it out with a couple of trades. But I guess in an hour the mindset will change. Again.

you make that sound easy but it won't be at all, who are you going to trade that really makes a difference? you will have 4 guy you just signed (Lillard, Crabbe, ET, and soon CJ) making close to 90 mil with a cap at at 102 mil est next summer. Yoo have to pay some of the others guys some decent money to get good rotation players, so you have to spend wisely on your big contracts

 

[GDiama]

I think only thing that Neil is thinking right now is if that contract will be tradeable or not. No chance you keep 4 players that make 90M in total next summer. And the cap is now projected to 102M for next season.

 

[Blazinaway]

I think only thing that Neil is thinking right now is if that contract will be tradeable or not. No chance you keep 4 players that make 90M in total next summer. And the cap is now projected to 102M for next season.

it will be very hard to trade with the kicker, and as I said yesterday teams into the Lux tax have a lot more restrictions on making trades