Allen Crabbe (1 Viewer)

[Orion Bailey]

In a year, his contract will be a common sized one for bench players.

He's being paid like a 6th man.

IF he starts producing. IF not...

 

[Denny Crane]

IF he starts producing. IF not...

He's producing fine for a 6th man. The alarm should stop when his production continues to improve. He started slow, his play of late is much better than his season stats show. If CJ were to miss a bunch of games, Crabbe would be a solid replacement, though the expected dropoff from elite player to bench player.

For the record, the projected LT for next season is $113M or so, after the league lowered its projections. Crabbe makes $18.5/$113 = ~16%. That's 1/6th of the payroll.

Dame will be making $26.2M, CJ $24M.

For all the handwringing over luxury tax implications in future years, Neil has plenty of time to make trades to facilitate keeping whichever combination of players he wants that fit under the LT by then.

 

[Chris Craig]

Crabbe and Turner are going to have an excellent second half of year, one of them probably on a different team.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Crabbes TS% is 10% lower than Currys in his first MVP year. And Crabbe has had a horrible start. I can live with that.

LOL again, you make it sound like a 10% difference in TS% is no big deal, when actually it's the difference between being the best shooter in the league and being the 100th best.

Counting only rotation players, Allen Crabbe is currently 111th in TS%

That 10% difference in TS% is basically the difference between the best (GSW = .609) and worst (ORL = .501) shooting teams in the league. A 10% difference in shooting percentage is significant - VERY significant.

I think trading CJ, for Cousins, would be a good idea regardless of how Crabbe is playing.

It's a HUGE risk that could end up blowing up in our face if Cousins doesn't have his head on straight and/or we lose him for nothing to free agency. Even if we don't lose Cousins, adding him shortens our window as he's older than or current core. Of course, if Cousins does pan out and stays, our ceiling could be higher, but there is a huge risk it could backfire and we basically gave up a top 5 shooting guard for a short term rental.

I think a backcourt of Dame and CJ is just too shitty defensively. Is there a worse defensive backcourt in the league? If we had gotten Whiteside, it could probably work.

Which is why a Crabbe for Noel trade is so appealing. Noel is an elite defender, much better than Cousins. Obviously, Noel isn't half the offensive player Cousins is, but he wouldn't have to be. We'd still have C.J. averaging 22 ppg as our No. 2 option and Harklesss is looking more and more like a legitimate No. 3 option. In addition to his elite rim protection and pick and roll defense, adding Noel to our core actually makes us younger and extends our window. He's only 22 and already one of the best defenders in the league. He will only get better offensively, but honestly, if you get 10 or 12 ppg out of your No. 4 or No. 5 option, that's plenty, especially when it comes with elite defense.

Anyways, I'm really just glad that his averages are pretty much back to where they were last year. If Stotts can get him a couple more shots a game, Crabbe could be averaging like 12 points a game on like .39% from three. Neil should be able to get something for that.

But they aren't back to where they were last year. He's playing more minutes, producing less and ALL of his shooting percentages are down. Right now, he's averaging 9.2 ppg through 21 games. He'd have to average 13.7 ppg between now and the trade deadline to pull his scoring average up to 12 ppg. Not likely, his career high is 10.2 ppg. It would be great if he was, as it would increase his trade value.

And, it's not about Stotts getting him more shots. The reason Crabbe doesn't get more shots is he absolutely, positively cannot create his own shot. He's is almost totally reliant on others to create more shots for him. I don't care what system you play in, a player who can't create his own shot will always be limited in how many shots he gets. In 21 games this season, Crabbe only has a total of 5 unassisted made 2FG and exactly 1 unassisted made 3FG. He simply lacks the ability to create his own shot. That's on him, not Stotts (or Turner, or anyone else).

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

He's producing fine for a 6th man. The alarm should stop when his production continues to improve. He started slow, his play of late is much better than his season stats show. If CJ were to miss a bunch of games, Crabbe would be a solid replacement, though the expected dropoff from elite player to bench player.

For the record, the projected LT for next season is $113M or so, after the league lowered its projections. Crabbe makes $18.5/$113 = ~16%. That's 1/6th of the payroll.

Dame will be making $26.2M, CJ $24M.

For all the handwringing over luxury tax implications in future years, Neil has plenty of time to make trades to facilitate keeping whichever combination of players he wants that fit under the LT by then.

Hmmm I question that.

Whats good production from an average 6th man?
Crabbe isn't close to these averages and has not been so far in his career.
To be paid like a 6th man I expect 14/3/3 at the least. That puts you somewhat in the running for the award. otherwise your just another bench role player wither our first off the bench or 10th.

These are his stats over the last 10 games.
GP MPG FG% RPG APG BLKPG STPG PFPG PPG
Games 10 25.5 .395 2.7 0.4 0.4 0.3 1.5 9.3

Not even close.....

Last years stats?
GP GS MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
81 8 26.0 3.8-8.4 .459 1.4-3.5 .394 1.2-1.4 .867 0.3 2.3 2.7 1.2 0.2 0.8 2.4 0.8 10.3

Still not close.

NBA Awards: Sixth Man of the Year, full list of winners
Season Player Team Points Rebounds Assists
2015-16 Jamal Crawford Los Angeles Clippers 14.2 1.8 2.3
2014-15 Louis Williams Toronto Raptors 15.5 1.9 2.1
2013-14 Jamal Crawford Los Angeles Clippers 18.6 2.3 3.2
2012-13 J.R. Smith New York Knicks 18.1 5.3 2.7
2011-12 James Harden Oklahoma City Thunder 16.8 4.1 3.7
2010-11 Lamar Odom Los Angeles Lakers 14.4 8.7 3.0
2009-10 Jamal Crawford Atlanta Hawks 18.0 2.5 3.0
2008-09 Jason Terry Dallas Mavericks 19.6 2.4 3.4
2007-08 Manu Ginobili San Antonio Spurs 19.5 4.8 4.5
2006-07 Leandro Barbosa Phoenix Suns 18.1 2.7 4.0
2005-06 Mike Miller Memphis Grizzlies 13.7 5.4 2.7
2004-05 Ben Gordon Chicago Bulls 15.1 2.6 2.0
2003-04 Antawn Jamison Dallas Mavericks 14.8 6.3 0.9
2002-03 Bobby Jackson Sacramento Kings 15.2 3.7 3.1
2001-02 Corliss Williamson Detroit Pistons 13.6 4.1 1.2
2000-01 Aaron McKie Philadelphia 76ers 11.6 4.1 5.0
1999-00 Rodney Rogers Phoenix Suns 13.8 5.5 2.1
1998-99 Darrell Armstrong Orlando Magic 13.8 3.6 6.7
1997-98 Danny Manning Phoenix Suns 13.5 5.6 2.0
1996-97 John Starks New York Knicks 13.8 2.7 2.8
1995-96 Toni Kukoc

Chicago Bulls 13.1 4.0 3.5
1994-95 Anthony Mason New York Knicks 9.9 8.4 3.1
1993-94 Dell Curry Charlotte Hornets 16.3 3.2 2.7
1992-93 Clifford Robinson Portland Trail Blazers 19.1 6.6 2.2
1991-92 Detlef Schrempf Indiana Pacers 17.3 9.6 3.9
1990-91 Detlef Schrempf Indiana Pacers 16.1 8.0 3.7
1989-90 Ricky Pierce Milwaukee Bucks 23.0 2.8 2.3
1988-89 Eddie Johnson Phoenix Suns 21.5 4.4 2.3
1987-88 Roy Tarpley Dallas Mavericks 13.5 11.8 1.1
1986-87 Ricky Pierce Milwaukee Bucks 19.5 3.4 1.8
1985-86 Bill Walton

Boston Celtics 7.6 6.8 2.1
1984-85 Kevin McHale Boston Celtics 19.8 9.0 1.8
1983-84 Kevin McHale

Boston Celtics 18.4 7.4 1.3
1982-83 Bobby Jones

Philadelphia 76ers 9.0 4.6 1.9




In order for Crabbe to win 6th man of the year award (and yes I think he is getting paid that type of money. Not 6th man, but 6th man of the year), he still needs to take a big step and he hasn't shown it thus far.
Just sayin. I think he is still overpaid currently Whether he is our 6th man or not.

 

[Denny Crane]

Taj Gibson, 6th man last year. 8.6 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 1.5 APG, 1.1 BPG

$8.5M under the old TV deal. ~12% of the LT, with a cheap cheap cheap owner.

 

[Boob-No-More]

He's producing fine for a 6th man. The alarm should stop when his production continues to improve. He started slow, his play of late is much better than his season stats show. If CJ were to miss a bunch of games, Crabbe would be a solid replacement, though the expected dropoff from elite player to bench player.

PER = 9.5 is NOT fine for a 6th man. And, he's 4th on the team in minutes played. He's producing like a bad 8th man, getting 4th man minutes and a 2nd man paycheck. And playing better lately is a TWO game occurrence. Hardly a trend.

How, exactly would Crabbe be a solid replacement for C.J.? He's a worse shooter, the worst rebounder on the team and one of the worst passers. He has no handle. So, can't take any pressure off Dame the way C.J. does. He can't create for himself, or others.

Honestly, in spite of his generally poor shooting, if C.J. did go down, I think starting Turner at SG would be better than staring Crabbe. Turner produces more pts/100 possessions, way more reb/100 and way more ast/100 possessions than Crabbe. He's also a better defender.

Here are their per 100 possessions number:

Crabbe: 16.1 pts, 4.8 reb, 2.3 ast, 0.8 stl, 0.5 blk
Turner: 17.3 pts, 7.9 reb, 5.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 0.6 blk

Turner can create for himself and others. Without C.J. in the line up, we'd need that as Mo and Ed/Chief also depend on others to create for them. If you add Crabbe to that, you have three guys in your starting line up that can't create their own shot. Not good.

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

Enis Kanter,

PER = 9.5 is NOT fine for a 6th man. And, he's 4th on the team in minutes played. He's producing like a bad 8th man, getting 4th man minutes and a 2nd man paycheck. And playing better lately is a TWO game occurrence. Hardly a trend.

How, exactly would Crabbe be a solid replacement for C.J.? He's a worse shooter, the worst rebounder on the team and one of the worst passers. He has no handle. So, can't take any pressure off Dame the way C.J. does. He can't create for himself, or others.

Honestly, in spite of his generally poor shooting, if C.J. did go down, I think starting Turner at SG would be better than staring Crabbe. Turner produces more pts/100 possessions, way more reb/100 and way more ast/100 possessions than Crabbe. He's also a better defender.

Here are their per 100 possessions number:

Crabbe: 16.1 pts, 4.8 reb, 2.3 ast, 0.8 stl, 0.5 blk
Turner: 17.3 pts, 7.9 reb, 5.8 ast, 1.5 stl, 0.6 blk

Turner can create for himself and others. Without C.J. in the line up, we'd need that as Mo and Ed/Chief also depend on others to create for them. If you add Crabbe to that, you have three guys in your starting line up that can't create their own shot. Not good.

BNM

Broken record.

We get that you hate the guy and want him gone.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Taj Gibson, 6th man last year. 8.6 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 1.5 APG, 1.1 BPG

$8.5M under the old TV deal. ~12% of the LT, with a cheap cheap cheap owner.

PER = 15.7 and ZERO 6th Man of the Year Votes. There were 19 players that received 6th MOY votes last season. So, by that metric, a guy with a PER = 15.7 was not in the top 19 best 6th men.

Crabbe has a PER = 9.5. So, where does that place him in the 6th man hierarchy? Gibson does other things besides score (great rebounder, solid defender). Crabbe doesn't.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Enis Kanter,


Broken record.

We get that you hate the guy and want him gone.

So, now this is about me?

I don't hate him. I hate the contract and wish he was producing better. If he was, we'd benefit. Either he'd be helping us win more games, or he'd be a valuable trade chip. Right now, he's neither.

BNM

 

[tester551]

So, now this is about me?

I don't hate him. I hate the contract and wish he was producing better. If he was, we'd benefit. Either he'd be helping us win more games, or he'd be a valuable trade chip. Right now, he's neither.

BNM

Allen with his boat anchor contract.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Enis Kanter,


Broken record.

We get that you hate the guy and want him gone.

It's not about hate. Its about the numbers you say are good for 6th man simply are not to others of us. 6th men are typically the third to 4th best production players on a roster and are almost always the most productive off the bench.

Crabbe is neither. Not saying he wont improve, but I don't see where his game has taken any type of next step in any facet since last year and that's what we were expecting when signing him to the contract he has.
The Taj Gibson inference is a joke. Sorry.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's not about hate. Its about the numbers you say are good for 6th man simply are not to others of us. 6th men are typically the third to 4th best production players on a roster and are almost always the most productive off the bench.

Crabbe is neither. Not saying he wont improve, but I don't see where his game has taken any type of next step in any facet since last year and that's what we were expecting when signing him to the contract he has.
The Taj Gibson inference is a joke. Sorry.

I said he gets paid like a 6th man. People don't seem to be taking into account the size of contracts in the new TV deal era. Last year, his contract would have been horrible. Next year, not bad at all.

He gets played like a 6th man, too. Stotts must like his production over the alternative. If NO had let him walk, we have no idea who would have been his replacement. And no, D Leaguers with potential are not good enough.

21 games isn't that great a sample. Wasn't it like a week ago the hate posts were about his .325 3pt shooting? But at this point, we're 10-9. After 56 games last year, we were 28-28. We're going to win a high % of games at the end of the year, like last year - that's when teams that are out of it lose heart or teams are banged up or resting their stars. We're basically the same team with the addition of Turner and with Aminu out for a long stretch.

I'd rather root for him to continue getting better.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I said he gets paid like a 6th man. People don't seem to be taking into account the size of contracts in the new TV deal era. Last year, his contract would have been horrible. Next year, not bad at all.

Based on his production this year, it's a horrible contract, even when taking into account the new TV deal. There was a LOT of big money thrown around last summer, but Crabbe is still the 31st highest paid player in the league. Most of that big money went to guys who are starters, and as I mentioned the only player paid more than Crabbe who is having a worse season is Chandler Parson, due to injury.

There isn't a single bench player in the entire league that makes more than Allen Crabbe.

You mentioned Ennis Kanter. He's the 38th highest paid player in the league, but his production blows Crabbe away. He has a PER of 24.2 (Crabbe = 9.5), a TS% of .610, is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game with a WS/48 of .207 (Crabbe = 0.040). He scores 32.2 points per 100 possessions, exactly twice Crabbe's 16.1. He should have won 6th man of the year award last season.

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

Based on his production this year, it's a horrible contract, even when taking into account the new TV deal. There was a LOT of big money thrown around last summer, but Crabbe is still the 31st highest paid player in the league. Most of that big money went to guys who are starters, and as I mentioned the only player paid more than Crabbe who is having a worse season is Chandler Parson, due to injury.

There isn't a single bench player in the entire league that makes more than Allen Crabbe.

You mentioned Ennis Kanter. He's the 38th highest paid player in the league, but his production blows Crabbe away. He has a PER of 24.2 (Crabbe = 9.5), a TS% of .610, is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game with a WS/48 of .207 (Crabbe = 0.040). He scores 32.2 points per 100 possessions, exactly twice Crabbe's 16.1. He should have won 6th man of the year award last season.

BNM

There are a lot of guys way underpaid because they signed their contracts before last summer. Crabbe benefited by being a starting caliber player with potential upside in the first year of a massive hike in the cap and LT. Yes, starting caliber. He'd be starting at SG if we let him walk. Or trade him to a team like Philly.

Like I said, people are not taking into consideration NEXT season's payroll sizes.

If we didn't have Crabbe, we'd be playing someone probably worse. There weren't better players beating down the door to sign with us. It would have saved some salary, but what's the point in not spending up to the LT if you can?

I would much rather have Crabbe than have spent the money on Mosgov. Or DHoward. Or Deng. Or many others.

 

[Denny Crane]

Based on his production this year, it's a horrible contract, even when taking into account the new TV deal. There was a LOT of big money thrown around last summer, but Crabbe is still the 31st highest paid player in the league. Most of that big money went to guys who are starters, and as I mentioned the only player paid more than Crabbe who is having a worse season is Chandler Parson, due to injury.

There isn't a single bench player in the entire league that makes more than Allen Crabbe.

You mentioned Ennis Kanter. He's the 38th highest paid player in the league, but his production blows Crabbe away. He has a PER of 24.2 (Crabbe = 9.5), a TS% of .610, is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game with a WS/48 of .207 (Crabbe = 0.040). He scores 32.2 points per 100 possessions, exactly twice Crabbe's 16.1. He should have won 6th man of the year award last season.

BNM

Kanter got a massive full/max contract a year ago to play 19 MPG.

PER be damned.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Kanter got a massive full/max contract a year ago to play 19 MPG.

PER be damned.

No, PER considered. Kanter's getting that max deal because he's a hyper-efficient scorer/rebounder in those 19mpg.

 

[Orion Bailey]

There are a lot of guys way underpaid because they signed their contracts before last summer. Crabbe benefited by being a starting caliber player with potential upside in the first year of a massive hike in the cap and LT. Yes, starting caliber. He'd be starting at SG if we let him walk. Or trade him to a team like Philly.

Like I said, people are not taking into consideration NEXT season's payroll sizes.

If we didn't have Crabbe, we'd be playing someone probably worse. There weren't better players beating down the door to sign with us. It would have saved some salary, but what's the point in not spending up to the LT if you can?

I would much rather have Crabbe than have spent the money on Mosgov. Or DHoward. Or Deng. Or many others.

But I heard there is a potential regression of almost 2% by 2020 or something?

I still disagree. Even with the larger contracts, Crabbe's is TOO large.
Also, just because you happen to start in this league, does not mean you are a qualified starter, it may mean the team you are on just lacks options.
Currently, based on production from past 6th men vs Crabbe, and past contracts for 6th men vs Crabbe's and then other current contracts given to role players, Crabbe was over paid. Until he puts up CONSISTENT 6th man type numbers, he will continue to be an over[paid contract player.

 

[Denny Crane]

But I heard there is a potential regression of almost 2% by 2020 or something?

I still disagree. Even with the larger contracts, Crabbe's is TOO large.
Also, just because you happen to start in this league, does not mean you are a qualified starter, it may mean the team you are on just lacks options.
Currently, based on production from past 6th men vs Crabbe, and past contracts for 6th men vs Crabbe's and then other current contracts given to role players, Crabbe was over paid. Until he puts up CONSISTENT 6th man type numbers, he will continue to be an over[paid contract player.

You compared him with hall of famers. 29 teams failed to have a 6th man as good in each of those seasons.

 

[Denny Crane]

No, PER considered. Kanter's getting that max deal because he's a hyper-efficient scorer/rebounder in those 19mpg.

Kanter's contract was outrageous in last year's salary structure. Max contract, like you pay your 2nd best player. Not a 20 MPG guy.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Kanter got a massive full/max contract a year ago to play 19 MPG.

PER be damned.

PER was just one of the stats I listed. Kanter scores nearly 50% more points (13.0 ppg) in his 19 MPG than Crabbe does (9.2 ppg) in his 28 MPG. Kanter is so much more efficient it's insane.

And don't try to play the Crabbe is a better defender nonsense. Total myth. He has the worst DRtg (116) on one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Kanter may not be known for his defense, but his DRtg of 102 sure looks a lot better than Crabbe's 116.

BNM

 

[riverman]

We've caused a couple teams to overpay to keep a free agent....guess it was our turn but Denny is right....the new salary structures seem insane now but considering the new CBA it's not big money...baseball pays closers who only throw 30 or 40 pitches every few games small fortunes. Crabbe has time to redeem his value but he better jump start it soon because he's the new Nic Batum around here these days

 

[Nate]

LOL again, you make it sound like a 10% difference in TS% is no big deal, when actually it's the difference between being the best shooter in the league and being the 100th best.

Counting only rotation players, Allen Crabbe is currently 111th in TS%

That 10% difference in TS% is basically the difference between the best (GSW = .609) and worst (ORL = .501) shooting teams in the league. A 10% difference in shooting percentage is significant - VERY significant.



It's a HUGE risk that could end up blowing up in our face if Cousins doesn't have his head on straight and/or we lose him for nothing to free agency. Even if we don't lose Cousins, adding him shortens our window as he's older than or current core. Of course, if Cousins does pan out and stays, our ceiling could be higher, but there is a huge risk it could backfire and we basically gave up a top 5 shooting guard for a short term rental.



Which is why a Crabbe for Noel trade is so appealing. Noel is an elite defender, much better than Cousins. Obviously, Noel isn't half the offensive player Cousins is, but he wouldn't have to be. We'd still have C.J. averaging 22 ppg as our No. 2 option and Harklesss is looking more and more like a legitimate No. 3 option. In addition to his elite rim protection and pick and roll defense, adding Noel to our core actually makes us younger and extends our window. He's only 22 and already one of the best defenders in the league. He will only get better offensively, but honestly, if you get 10 or 12 ppg out of your No. 4 or No. 5 option, that's plenty, especially when it comes with elite defense.



But they aren't back to where they were last year. He's playing more minutes, producing less and ALL of his shooting percentages are down. Right now, he's averaging 9.2 ppg through 21 games. He'd have to average 13.7 ppg between now and the trade deadline to pull his scoring average up to 12 ppg. Not likely, his career high is 10.2 ppg. It would be great if he was, as it would increase his trade value.

And, it's not about Stotts getting him more shots. The reason Crabbe doesn't get more shots is he absolutely, positively cannot create his own shot. He's is almost totally reliant on others to create more shots for him. I don't care what system you play in, a player who can't create his own shot will always be limited in how many shots he gets. In 21 games this season, Crabbe only has a total of 5 unassisted made 2FG and exactly 1 unassisted made 3FG. He simply lacks the ability to create his own shot. That's on him, not Stotts (or Turner, or anyone else).

BNM

Good thing the seasons not over.

And there are a lot of people that can't create their own shot, so it's definitely on Stotts... Kyle Korver, Danny green, JJ reddick...

And before you go off on a long rant about how "Crabbe just doesn't deserve to get those shots, because he doesn't shoot as well as them"

I don't care. Crabbe can shoot 40% from three if given the opportunity. He's played some of the worst games of his life so far this season, and he's pretty much shooting 39% from 3.

 

[riverman]

He's played some of the worst games of his life so far this season

Better to have a slump early than later I always say

 

[Boob-No-More]

There are a lot of guys way underpaid because they signed their contracts before last summer. Crabbe benefited by being a starting caliber player with potential upside in the first year of a massive hike in the cap and LT. Yes, starting caliber. He'd be starting at SG if we let him walk. Or trade him to a team like Philly.

He'd only be starting for one of the worst teams in the league - PHI or BRK.

I would much rather have Crabbe than have spent the money on Mosgov. Or DHoward. Or Deng. Or many others.

Really, you don't think Dwight would have helped our interior defense and rebounding - two of our most glaring weaknesses?

He's leading the league in both ORB% and TRB% and is 4th in DRtg. He would be a huge upgrade over any big man we have on our roster.

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

He'd only be starting for one of the worst teams in the league - PHI or BRK.



Really, you don't think Dwight would have helped our interior defense and rebounding - two of our most glaring weaknesses?

He's leading the league in both ORB% and TRB% and is 4th in DRtg. He would be a huge upgrade over any big man we have on our roster.

BNM

Dwight is a cancer in the locker room. I look at more than offensive stats.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Good thing the seasons not over.

And there are a lot of people that can't create their own shot, so it's definitely on Stotts... Kyle Korver, Danny green, JJ reddick...

All three of those guys are starters and only one of them (Redick) gets more shots than Crabbe. Two of them also happen to be two of the best 3-point shooters of the last 15 years. Redick is so much more efficient than Crabbe it's was ridiculous. As was Korver in his prime.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dwight is a cancer in the locker room. I look at more than offensive stats.

You should probably look at defensive stats and rebounding, too.

What problems has Dwight caused in ATL? You don't think pairing him with a strong leader like Dame would help?

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

You should probably look at defensive stats and rebounding, too.

What problems has Dwight caused in ATL? You don't think pairing him with a strong leader like Dame would help?

BNM

No, I don't think pairing him with anyone will help. The guy screwed over the L*kers, demanded to be THE man, and was unwanted in Houston after a while.

Atlanta is imploding right now. Lost 6 in a row and 9 of 10.

 

[Nate]

All three of those guys are starters and only one of them (Redick) gets more shots than Crabbe. Two of them also happen to be two of the best 3-point shooters of the last 15 years. Redick is so much more efficient than Crabbe it's was ridiculous. As was Korver in his prime.

BNM

What's your point? Crabbe is a good 3 point shooter. It doesn't matter if some other people are better. The guy can fucking shoot.