An interesting option (Re: Plan B)

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Mediocre Man said:
Jason Quick ‏@jwquick
The Blazers' philosophy at C just changed with reported Indiana match. Olshey says development of Meyers Leonard this season now "paramount"
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Go young, baby. Play Lillard = Not a vet PG. Play Leonard/Freeland = Not a vet Center. A SG or...Rudy Gay?
 
Nikolokolus said:
The only thing I don't get is why 11 million a year for Portland (with a far wealthier owner) is so much worse than it would be for Minnesota?

I mean either way I think it's kind of crazy money and likely to hurt whichever team actually ends up with him.
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I think it's simply because of our situation. It would tie up all our priceless cap flexibility, and merely getting Batum isn't even getting us to the post-season, so why do it? The Wolves have a team they think will take them to the next level, that next level being a .500 team that doesn't make the playoffs. So if they want to break the bank on Batum, more power to them.

I'd only retain Batum if we get a needle-changer at center through a trade. Otherwise, fuck it, let's all take a long vacation and reconvene here same time next year when there's something positive to talk about.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Actually that's sort of flawed logic. If an 11-12 million/year player needs to fit into a system to be more successful, it just means that he's a role-player and not a guy you actually build around. Either a player is a "star" at the center or he's an orbital body on the periphery -- a near max deal usually is reserved for the kind of guy that doesn't just fill in the gaps (and Nic has definitely been a fill-in-the-gaps kind of player).
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It's ok if you don't get it.
 
noknobs said:
I think it's simply because of our situation. It would tie up all our priceless cap flexibility, and merely getting Batum isn't even getting us to the post-season, so why do it? The Wolves have a team they think will take them to the next level, that next level being a .500 team that doesn't make the playoffs. So if they want to break the bank on Batum, more power to them.

I'd only retain Batum if we get a needle-changer at center through a trade. Otherwise, fuck it, let's all take a long vacation and reconvene here same time next year when there's something positive to talk about.
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Yep.
 
Zybot said:
I suspect Dirk seeks a trade since their team is gutted and lost out on all FA's. We may be a team to help facilitate a deal. I doubt we are the team that ends up with Dirk -- although that would be pretty sweet if it did happen.
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Good thought. We wouldn't end up with Dirk because...he wouldn't want to join our rebuilding plan?
 
noknobs said:
I think it's simply because of our situation. It would tie up all our priceless cap flexibility, and merely getting Batum isn't even getting us to the post-season, so why do it? The Wolves have a team they think will take them to the next level, that next level being a .500 team that doesn't make the playoffs. So if they want to break the bank on Batum, more power to them.

I'd only retain Batum if we get a needle-changer at center through a trade. Otherwise, fuck it, let's all take a long vacation and reconvene here same time next year when there's something positive to talk about.
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That was sort of my point, it's crazy money no matter who he plays for (minus the Knicks, because that's what they do).
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
We were going to sign Hibbert for 4 years. I dunno what the difference is here? :dunno:
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I think the difference is we wanted Hibbert and not Noah. :) Hibbert was a good fit next to Aldridge. I don't know...what does Noah cost? Does he 'move the needle'? ;)
 
BBert said:
I think the difference is we wanted Hibbert and not Noah. :) Hibbert was a good fit next to Aldridge. I don't know...what does Noah cost? Does he 'move the needle'? ;)
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I think Noah is just as good of a fit, personally. Maybe a better defender, and a very good passer at the C position.
 
Minnesota isn't going to give up on their highest draft pick ever after one year for a sign and trade free agent. Not gonna happen. Derrick Williams was pretty good a few times I saw him. He just probably isn't a 3.

MN is gonna offer more money than we are comfortable with to get Batum. We can either match it or let him go, but we aren't going to get great value trading away a guy on a contract we don't even want. Kahn is gonna stick us with the contract if we ask for anything more than Ridnour or Wes Johnson.
 
Kilkenny said:
It's ok if you don't get it.
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Hey, if a wanna see your team tie themselves to a cap killing contract for the next 4 years have fun with it. Personally I hope the Blazers don't match at 11-12/year
 
Rain Man said:
Minnesota isn't going to give up on their highest draft pick ever after one year for a sign and trade free agent. Not gonna happen. Derrick Williams was pretty good a few times I saw him. He just probably isn't a 3.

MN is gonna offer more money than we are comfortable with to get Batum. We can either match it or let him go, but we aren't going to get great value trading away a guy on a contract we don't even want. Kahn is gonna stick us with the contract if we ask for anything more than Ridnour or Wes Johnson.
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No worries. Neil has shown zero interest in the Wolves roster.
 
BBert said:
I think the difference is we wanted Hibbert and not Noah. :) Hibbert was a good fit next to Aldridge. I don't know...what does Noah cost? Does he 'move the needle'? ;)
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That and we'd get Hibbert for "free" essentially (i.e. not via trade). Signing Noah is an improvement. I just dunno how much of an improvement, and what the cost to acquire him would be.
 
Rain Man said:
Minnesota isn't going to give up on their highest draft pick ever after one year for a sign and trade free agent. Not gonna happen. Derrick Williams was pretty good a few times I saw him. He just probably isn't a 3.

MN is gonna offer more money than we are comfortable with to get Batum. We can either match it or let him go, but we aren't going to get great value trading away a guy on a contract we don't even want. Kahn is gonna stick us with the contract if we ask for anything more than Ridnour or Wes Johnson.
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They tried to trade him for multiple picks (after #2) in this years draft from what I remember. They aren't that high on Williams.
 
BBert said:
Good thought. We wouldn't end up with Dirk because...he wouldn't want to join our rebuilding plan?
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That and I don't think we have the pieces to make it work. If you are acquiring Dirk the discussion probably revolves around Lillard, LMA, or maybe a S&T Batum to team up with Beaubois?
 
VanillaGorilla said:
They tried to trade him for multiple picks (after #2) in this years draft from what I remember. They aren't that high on Williams.
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They were also rejected by Golden State in this years draft, Neil, according to Woj, has no interest in him either.
 
Rain Man said:
Minnesota isn't going to give up on their highest draft pick ever after one year for a sign and trade free agent. Not gonna happen. Derrick Williams was pretty good a few times I saw him. He just probably isn't a 3.

MN is gonna offer more money than we are comfortable with to get Batum. We can either match it or let him go, but we aren't going to get great value trading away a guy on a contract we don't even want. Kahn is gonna stick us with the contract if we ask for anything more than Ridnour or Wes Johnson.
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David Kahn.


LAWYERED.
 
Rain Man said:
Minnesota isn't going to give up on their highest draft pick ever after one year for a sign and trade free agent. Not gonna happen. Derrick Williams was pretty good a few times I saw him. He just probably isn't a 3.

MN is gonna offer more money than we are comfortable with to get Batum. We can either match it or let him go, but we aren't going to get great value trading away a guy on a contract we don't even want. Kahn is gonna stick us with the contract if we ask for anything more than Ridnour or Wes Johnson.
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I guess we will see how bad they want him. I guess the rumors that they already offered us Williams must be false. That does not surprise me though. I found it hard to believe that we turned it down.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
They tried to trade him for multiple picks (after #2) in this years draft from what I remember. They aren't that high on Williams.
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They we're trying to get Jeremy Lamb, Dion Waiters, or Bradley Beal. None of those guys are free agents.

After 1 season and being logjammed by Beasley, I seriously doubt they're going to give him away for a free agent.
 
Sidenote: I wouldn't trust Woj on anything Timberwolves related. He's done a terrible job reporting on that team over the years. Anybody remember the "Rubio will never play for the Wolves and they better just trade him to the Knicks" articles?
 
Rain Man said:
Sidenote: I wouldn't trust Woj on anything Timberwolves related. He's done a terrible job reporting on that team over the years. Anybody remember the "Rubio will never play for the Wolves and they better just trade him to the Knicks" articles?
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I believe him.
 
Who WOULD want Derrick Williams? He's a tweener who can't shoot and can't defend. He's a very poor man's Clarence Weatherspoon.
 
Williams is still young and could be a good player down the road....IF POR is smart they will opt for a S&T with MIN for Williams and a 1st round pick....Which MIN would gladly do....
 
Rain Man said:
Sidenote: I wouldn't trust Woj on anything Timberwolves related. He's done a terrible job reporting on that team over the years. Anybody remember the "Rubio will never play for the Wolves and they better just trade him to the Knicks" articles?
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I believe Woj more than I believe you're a Blazers fan (and not a T-pups fan).
 
Blaze01 said:
Williams is still young and could be a good player down the road....IF POR is smart they will opt for a S&T with MIN for Williams and a 1st round pick....Which MIN would gladly do....
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MIN will give up neither of those things in that deal. Maybe a lotto protected 2014 pick could be on the table, but Minnesota could get Pau Gasol at that price.
 
Blaze01 said:
Williams is still young and could be a good player down the road....IF POR is smart they will opt for a S&T with MIN for Williams and a 1st round pick....Which MIN would gladly do....
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He's not built for defense, and he's not good enough (a la Barkley) to overlook that. He is the forward version of Bayless (albeit even less efficient) - can put up stats but isn't really useful to a winning team. I bet you he never amounts to more than a journeyman who bounces around bad teams. The Wolves will give up on him very shortly. They've already been shopping him for anything and everything and getting rebuffed at every turn.
 
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