Analysis of Olshey moves with Blazers and Clippers

[Mediocre Man]

If you have something to say in support of this article then please say it. Since the 2nd post in this thread you've wanted it to be a "shit storm." Now that it hasn't turned out like you wanted it to you claim that it's because people don't like to read bad things about the Blazers.

Multiple posts here have gone into considerate detail demonstrating why the article is inaccurate or the argument is incomplete. If you agree with the article then say it. No one is going to bash you for it.

Everyday there are 1000s of posts made, that wouldn't be the case if everyone agreed with each other.

I haven't wanted it to be. I thought it would be, and it has been. Someone posted an article on the team that wasn't glowing, and the forum lambasted the OP for the article being written by someone they didn't approve of.

I think the post count is more combative back and forth than discussion though. Or nonsensical posts about Eric's sex life.

 

[noknobs]

Why did he leave out Davis and Aminu? Not to hide an agenda. It's because he did a shitty job writing his article. And he simply went to basketball-reference.com and went through his list of moves. For some weird reason, that website doesn't have them on there. And because he's a shitty writer, he didn't do any thinking about moves he has made, he just essentially copy and pasted a list.

LOL, that's just hilarious. Or sad. I can't decide.


All I know is the Clippers were 19-63 before he was GM and the year he left they were 40-26 and lost in the conference semi-finals.

The year before he took over the Portland job we were 28-38. He drafted the RoY in Lillard for the 2012-2013 season, and we've been in the playoffs every year after that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Someone posted an article on the team that wasn't glowing, and the forum lambasted the OP for the article being written by someone they didn't approve of.

I don't think it had much to do with who wrote it, many felt it wasn't an accurate or a complete assessment of the moves made by Olshey as the GM of the Clippers and Blazers.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't think it had much to do with who wrote it, many felt it wasn't an accurate or a complete assessment of the moves made by Olshey as the GM of the Clippers and Blazers.

I just went down the first couple pages of the thread, and counted 10 negative comments about Dave or BE.

 

[Natebishop3]

I just went down the first couple pages of the thread, and counted 10 negative comments about Dave or BE.

So you wasted no time in jumping back into your victim role. It's amazing how some people never change.

Yes, we're going to criticize someone who is writing about the acquisitions of our GM, and conveniently leaves out some of the most recent acquisitions. That's just poor writing and poor research.

 

[Natebishop3]

Whether or not you agree with him, here's the agenda.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2014/10/27/7068913/why-blazers-edge-is-turning-down-media-credentials

 

[Mediocre Man]

So you wasted no time in jumping back into your victim role. It's amazing how some people never change.

Yes, we're going to criticize someone who is writing about the acquisitions of our GM, and conveniently leaves out some of the most recent acquisitions. That's just poor writing and poor research.

Wow. Who's being a victim? Sly and I were having a discussion. Civil at that. He said it was more about the article so I looked and pounted out it may not have been.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I haven't wanted it to be. I thought it would be, and it has been. Someone posted an article on the team that wasn't glowing, and the forum lambasted the OP for the article being written by someone they didn't approve of.

I think the post count is more combative back and forth than discussion though. Or nonsensical posts about Eric's sex life.

MM, I respect you and value your contributions, but I think I was the OP and I didn't notice that I got lambasted at all. It seemed like a respectful discussion overall. I don't regret posting it in the least; it did show that Olshey is far from perfect but the discussion also showed that the writer wasn't fair and that overall Olshey has done pretty good.

 

[Denny Crane]

BlazersEdge is losing more and more credibility. We need to have a content driven site here that would be more well rounded, not just re-post articles and have different styles of articles from human interest, statistic driven, cap/trade etc.

You're a member of the writing team, so .... write!

 

[Natebishop3]

People need to start realizing that it is in their best interest not to post anything remotely negative about the Blazers. They will just be ridiculed or called a troll. True or not true, just let the forum think the team can do no wrong and just move on.

I get that you are mocking me, but it is what the forum prefers.

And get blasted for it virtually every single time. Either they are wrong, or the reporter is garbage, or they don't know the game, or whatever. Maybe it's the extremes of the forum? Maybe if it were more of a discussion than an argument...both ways? Who knows, but it's been a constant forever.

I haven't wanted it to be. I thought it would be, and it has been. Someone posted an article on the team that wasn't glowing, and the forum lambasted the OP for the article being written by someone they didn't approve of.

I think the post count is more combative back and forth than discussion though. Or nonsensical posts about Eric's sex life.

Nope. Not a victim.

And just to clarify, nobody was attacking the OP, otherwise known as the "Original Poster." We were criticizing Dave, the author of the linked article. Dave is not the OP.

 

[Denny Crane]

Okay Denny, is there a way we can do that on S2? It would only increase traffic.

It's a lot of work setting up and operating a publishing platform. I did it once for natebishop3, but it never got used.

If we can get something going like this:
http://www.sportstwo.com/forums/beyond-blazers-w-dan-marang.620/

Then I'd gladly set up a publishing platform for the site.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nope. Not a victim.

And just to clarify, nobody was attacking the OP, otherwise known as the "Original Poster." We were criticizing Dave, the author of the linked article. Dave is not the OP.

Sly was mocking me. Its not being a victim to say that. I wasnt crying for justice. And people do get blasted for being less than rose color blind.

I thought this thread would cause a shit storm because posting stuff anti 100% pro Blazers by BE usually does.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's a lot of work setting up and operating a publishing platform. I did it once for natebishop3, but it never got used.

That's a load of crap. Wordpress is already coded. You load it onto the FTP and it's there. It's not a "lot of work." You did that with Drupal. I have loaded Drupal on 3-4 sites. It's far from difficult.

You put the files on the S2 FTP and I didn't have the energy to build it from scratch six or seven years ago. It was just a blank site that needed everything. Don't pretend like it was a finished product that didn't get used.

 

[Natebishop3]

Sly was mocking me. Its not being a victim to say that. I wasnt crying for justice. And people do get blasted for being less than rose color blind.

I thought this thread would cause a shit storm because posting stuff anti 100% pro Blazers by BE usually does.

Sly was mocking you because what you posted deserved to be mocked.

"People need to start realizing that it is in their best interest not to post anything remotely negative about the Blazers. They will just be ridiculed or called a troll. True or not true, just let the forum think the team can do no wrong and just move on."

Give me a break.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

And get blasted for it virtually every single time. Either they are wrong, or the reporter is garbage, or they don't know the game, or whatever. Maybe it's the extremes of the forum? Maybe if it were more of a discussion than an argument...both ways? Who knows, but it's been a constant forever.

Actually, I've kicked Sly out of my doghouse because the space is needed for Noah Vonleh.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sly was mocking you because what you posted deserved to be mocked.

"People need to start realizing that it is in their best interest not to post anything remotely negative about the Blazers. They will just be ridiculed or called a troll. True or not true, just let the forum think the team can do no wrong and just move on."

Give me a break.

Great. I wasnt complaining about it

The second part is 100% true.

 

[Natebishop3]

Great. I wasnt complaining about it

The second part is 100% true.

You will be labeled as a troll if you only post negative things, disappear when the team is doing well, and then resurface when things aren't going well. That's a fact of life.

For instance, you were nowhere to be found until the season ended, so you could provide us with a realistic, non-homer point of view on the season, so us homers couldn't feel too good about getting knocked out by the warriors in 5 games. Gotta keep it real!

 

[Strenuus]

I just went down the first couple pages of the thread, and counted 10 negative comments about Dave or BE.

Ummm... they did it because the article was unfinished, not-thought-out, or thoroughly analyzed.

"Hey, you did a great job! You forgot to clean the toilet, wash the mirror, do the dishes, or clean any of the rooms. But overall, you did a good job!"

We're not bashing it for the sake of it being a negative article (it's not) we're lamenting the fact he didn't do a thorough job on it, like a journalist should.

I thought that was pretty logical to see.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I just went down the first couple pages of the thread, and counted 10 negative comments about Dave or BE.

Send Dave an email, invite him to join the forum. Once he does the personal insult rule will apply and I will delete the comments.

You win!

 

[Natebishop3]

Ummm... they did it because the article was unfinished, not-thought-out, or thoroughly analyzed.

"Hey, you did a great job! You forgot to clean the toilet, wash the mirror, do the dishes, or clean any of the rooms. But overall, you did a good job!"

We're not bashing it for the sake of it being a negative article (it's not) we're lamenting the fact he didn't do a thorough job on it, like a journalist should.

I thought that was pretty logical to see.

Why let logic get in the way of a good martyrdom?

 

[Mediocre Man]

You will be labeled as a troll if you only post negative things, disappear when the team is doing well, and then resurface when things aren't going well. That's a fact of life.

For instance, you were nowhere to be found until the season ended, so you could provide us with a realistic, non-homer point of view on the season, so us homers couldn't feel too good about getting knocked out by the warriors in 5 games. Gotta keep it real!

My cancer apologizes to you

 

[Strenuus]

Why let logic get in the way of a good martyrdom?

I'm not trying to be combative... I just thought it was pretty easy to see that the beef with the article by most (if not all) was that there were omissions. That's all I took the replies at... the jabs at Dave were a result of him missing the information, and that's on Dave.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Send Dave an email, invite him to join the forum. Once he does the personal insult rule will apply and I will delete the comments.

You win!

It sure feels like I won

Labeled a troll and called a martyr is what winning is all about

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm not trying to be combative... I just thought it was pretty easy to see that the beef with the article by most (if not all) was that there were omissions. That's all I took the replies at... the jabs at Dave were a result of him missing the information, and that's on Dave.

He could dot every i and cross every t and he'd still get bashed. I have no horse in the race, it's just what I've noticed over the years. That's why I thought the thread would be a shit storm

 

[Strenuus]

It sure feels like I won

Labeled a troll and called a martyr is what winning is all about

 

[Strenuus]

He could dot every i and cross every t and he'd still get bashed. I have no horse in the race, it's just what I've noticed over the years. That's why I thought the thread would be a shit storm

Nah, I doubt that. That's speculative. I thought the article was decent except for the omissions. A journalist should get all the facts in there, don't you think?

 

[blue9]

It sure feels like I won

Labeled a troll and called a martyr is what winning is all about

May I make a well-intentioned suggestion? Stick to talking basketball rather than getting side-tracked by the bullshit. When you talk about ball you generally have something worthwhile to add to the conversation. But anytime you get sidetracked by these sorts of discussions everybody loses.

 

[Natebishop3]

It sure feels like I won

Labeled a troll and called a martyr is what winning is all about

It boils down to this MM:

I don't like people who have a shtick. Your shtick is to come into a thread and play the victim. It gets annoying. You like to try to poke at people who also have shticks. Your shtick is just as annoying and tiresome as their shtick. People who have an agenda, or can't just be a regular poster who wants to talk Blazers, tend to collect labels.

 

[Strenuus]

May I make a well-intentioned suggestion? Stick to talking basketball rather than getting side-tracked by the bullshit. When you talk about ball you generally have something worthwhile to add to the conversation. But anytime you get sidetracked by these sorts of discussions everybody loses.

I love his takes on basketball. He can see both sides of things and I can respect that.

 

[TBpup]

It's a lot of work setting up and operating a publishing platform. I did it once for natebishop3, but it never got used.

If we can get something going like this:
http://www.sportstwo.com/forums/beyond-blazers-w-dan-marang.620/

Then I'd gladly set up a publishing platform for the site.

That's a load of crap. Wordpress is already coded. You load it onto the FTP and it's there. It's not a "lot of work." You did that with Drupal. I have loaded Drupal on 3-4 sites. It's far from difficult.

You put the files on the S2 FTP and I didn't have the energy to build it from scratch six or seven years ago. It was just a blank site that needed everything. Don't pretend like it was a finished product that didn't get used.

Easy there you two. What is paramount is are there tools available now that make it easier for all involved, will help drive traffic and be a medium for much needed original, more professional looking content instead of the cut and pasted links so many sites have now? I think we have a stable of contributors that would help make that happen.

What will it take to create a solution?