Analysis of Olshey moves with Blazers and Clippers

[Mediocre Man]

Nah, I doubt that. That's speculative. I thought the article was decent except for the omissions. A journalist should get all the facts in there, don't you think?

Completely. I too thought the article lacked several facts. I just don't think it would have mattered.

 

[Mediocre Man]

May I make a well-intentioned suggestion? Stick to talking basketball rather than getting side-tracked by the bullshit. When you talk about ball you generally have something worthwhile to add to the conversation. But anytime you get sidetracked by these sorts of discussions everybody loses.

I agree. I'm working on it

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Easy there you two. What is paramount is are there tools available now that make it easier for all involved, will help drive traffic and be a medium for much needed original, more professional looking content instead of the cut and pasted links so many sites have now? I think we have a stable of contributors that would help make that happen.

What will it take to create a solution?

Did you see my reply? I think that would work great.

 

[Strenuus]

Completely. I too thought the article lacked several facts. I just don't think it would have mattered.

I think since it's a "close-to-home" writer that should be very knowledgeable about the team, since it's a team website... felt it very odd they would leave out two current players as Neil Olshey moves.

He deserves to get some flack for missing very obvious (even to a bandwagon fan) moves that a GM made. Any writer would, national or otherwise, it's just this one is a "home-grown" writer, so it's even more puzzling.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It boils down to this MM:

I don't like people who have a shtick. Your shtick is to come into a thread and play the victim. It gets annoying. You like to try to poke at people who also have shticks. Your shtick is just as annoying and tiresome as their shtick. People who have an agenda, or can't just be a regular poster who wants to talk Blazers, tend to collect labels.

I have a shtick, you like me right?

 

[Strenuus]

I have a shtick, you like me right?

The "always-seeking-approval-sniffing-and-humping-my-leg" shtick?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Dave's article was great! Very well done. It has people arguing on two sites about it. That is some Canzano level stuff. Props!

 

[Natebishop3]

I have a shtick, you like me right?

Actually, I wish you would tone down the comedy just a bit. You know a lot about basketball, but most of your posts are meant to be funny. It's great, but sometimes I wish you'd share your thoughts on the team because I know you have great insight.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I have a shtick, you like me right?

If you like my little shticky, you'll love my big shticky. God I loved that commercial

 

[Mediocre Man]

Actually, I wish you would tone down the comedy just a bit. You know a lot about basketball, but most of your posts are meant to be funny. It's great, but sometimes I wish you'd share your thoughts on the team because I know you have great insight.

I think you mean hindsight. Sly get's everything correct after it happens

 

[Denny Crane]

That's a load of crap. Wordpress is already coded. You load it onto the FTP and it's there. It's not a "lot of work." You did that with Drupal. I have loaded Drupal on 3-4 sites. It's far from difficult.

You put the files on the S2 FTP and I didn't have the energy to build it from scratch six or seven years ago. It was just a blank site that needed everything. Don't pretend like it was a finished product that didn't get used.

Go for it. You just said how much work it is. It wasn't Drupal, it was some other software you recommended.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think you mean hindsight. Sly get's everything correct after it happens

How did you know I go back and edit my old posts so I'm always right? I didn't think anyone noticed.

 

[Natebishop3]

Go for it. You just said how much work it is. It wasn't Drupal, it was some other software you recommended.

Probably Joomla, which is the same damn thing.

 

[Denny Crane]

Easy there you two. What is paramount is are there tools available now that make it easier for all involved, will help drive traffic and be a medium for much needed original, more professional looking content instead of the cut and pasted links so many sites have now? I think we have a stable of contributors that would help make that happen.

What will it take to create a solution?

Content, first. Consistent and regular content. Use the forum software until there's critical mass. I am not interested in wasting time setting up the software and paying for hosting if interest in contributing to it dies off in a few weeks as these things have historically done.

 

[Strenuus]

Content, first. Consistent and regular content. Use the forum software until there's critical mass. I am not interested in wasting time setting up the software and paying for hosting if interest in contributing to it dies off in a few weeks as these things have historically done.

That would probably be what happens.

For it to be fruitful, you'd probably have to "hire" people. Money talks when it comes to online journalism. When it's just fandom, I think there's a "Geez, I just wanna watch my team" aspect..

And moreover, I think some people like spending a few minutes on a long post than having to edit and edit a longer piece and go through the editing process and peer reviews (if needed).

Not saying it's right, just formulating ideas as to why it usually doesn't work. And it usually doesn't work.

 

[Haakzilla]

What will it take to create a solution?

...I can help make it happen!

 

[Denny Crane]

I would do all sorts of things to support what people want to do. I just don't want to repeat past failures.

Like before we switched to the current forum software, several users swore we needed live chat and they'd use it all the time. The chat was popular for a couple of weeks and then zero activity. We tried chat before that with the same results.

The stupidest thing I can imagine is setting up joomla or whatever only to have the site's home page be a months old article, and nothing new written for ages.

The content has to be regular, as I said. Not only stories every day, but breaking news as immediately as possible.

We set up the writing team, and nobody's writing. To me, that's an indication that there is a real lack of interest, drive, and dedication.

It's incredibly hard to build traffic for any site. It has to be great content.

 

[Strenuus]

I would do all sorts of things to support what people want to do. I just don't want to repeat past failures.

Like before we switched to the current forum software, several users swore we needed live chat and they'd use it all the time. The chat was popular for a couple of weeks and then zero activity. We tried chat before that with the same results.

The stupidest thing I can imagine is setting up joomla or whatever only to have the site's home page be a months old article, and nothing new written for ages.

The content has to be regular, as I said. Not only stories every day, but breaking news as immediately as possible.

We set up the writing team, and nobody's writing. To me, that's an indication that there is a real lack of interest, drive, and dedication.

It's incredibly hard to build traffic for any site. It has to be great content.

And consistent.

With the breaking news, it's much easier for anyone to just start a thread... but to have the "sources" and all that is much more difficult, and to also be "on call" as well... with the board, it's a "when you want to do it"... when you go into the writing part of it, it's a "As they need it" mindset... and it takes a lot to shift that mindset.

 

[Haakzilla]

The stupidest thing I can imagine is setting up joomla or whatever only to have the site's home page be a months old article, and nothing new written for ages.

The content has to be regular, as I said. Not only stories every day, but breaking news as immediately as possible.

We set up the writing team, and nobody's writing. To me, that's an indication that there is a real lack of interest, drive, and dedication.

It's incredibly hard to build traffic for any site. It has to be great content.

...this, 1000%! It takes a lot more effort to create consistent DAILY content than most realize.

 

[Denny Crane]

We have sources and access through our partnership with the blazers. They're not going to let us have free run of everything, or much of anything, until we prove it's warranted. More is possible, but the ball is in our court.

What did Golliver do to get his position, all along? We have nobody showing that kind of dedication.

If you want to get paid, you need page views and ad sales. Golliver built all that.

 

[Natebishop3]

...this, 1000%! It takes a lot more effort to create consistent DAILY content than most realize.

Anyone can create daily content. That's not the hard part. The challenge is creating consistent quality content.

When I was writing for Hoopsworld, we had to write something every single morning. We each had a team and we wrote about that team every morning. Ian Ford had the Blazers, so I was stuck with the Warriors (ironic.) It's hard to come up with something new during the summer while nothing is happening. I did it. I wrote something every morning. Most of the time it was pointless and horrible because there wasn't anything to write about.

The goal shouldn't be to come up with something new every single day. The goal is to write quality stuff and have people wanting more.

Yes, there have been attempts at starting a writing team. Not many people wrote. Why? Because those articles were lost in the hundreds of posts on this forum every day. If you want people to act like a writer, you need to give them a platform to write from. Nobody is going to take an article seriously if it's formatted as a forum post. There's a reason why Dan Marang left for BlazersEdge. They bill EVERYTHING like it's original content, which is a joke in and of itself, but at least it looks good.

I'm not a web developer. I can get the web host, I can load the software, but I can't make it look pretty. I'm a writer. Not a designer. I don't have the time, energy, or kn0w-how when it comes to making a polished looking website. That's the only thing holding me back.

 

[Denny Crane]

https://wordpress.com

Prove it there. It has all the best writing tools, and it probably won't get hacked as many Wordpress sites are.

I'll even write our own custom blogging platform if there's enough promise.

BE was originally a custom blogging platform. Or BlogABull was. Before they were acquired by Yahoo! or Vox Media...

 

[BBert]

...I can help make it happen!

We're going to make S2 great again!

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I am a Web Developer and so is Haak. I would be fine with hosting the Wordpress blog software on my own dedicated web hosting server for FREE provided someone (Denny?) purchased the 10 dollar yearly domain name. Something like RipCityTwoBlog.com as an example?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We set up the writing team, and nobody's writing. To me, that's an indication that there is a real lack of interest, drive, and dedication.

Yes, there have been attempts at starting a writing team. Not many people wrote. Why? Because those articles were lost in the hundreds of posts on this forum every day. If you want people to act like a writer, you need to give them a platform to write from. Nobody is going to take an article seriously if it's formatted as a forum post.

Not that it's quite the same, but is it possible to add a thread prefix for "column" or "article" for those people who actually want to create "content" rather than threads? Is that what "exclusive" was intended to be--a way to identify original content that is more than just a standard forum thread?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I am a Web Developer and so is Haak. I would be fine with hosting the Wordpress blog software on my own dedicated web hosting server for FREE provided someone (Denny?) purchased the 10 dollar yearly domain name. Something like RipCityTwoBlog.com as an example?

Regarding this--if a separate-but-connected wordpress site were to be set up, would there be an area on the main page that would show the most recent additions, say over in the right-hand section of the page where the ripcitytwo twitter feed is currently displayed?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Regarding this--if a separate-but-connected wordpress site were to be set up, would there be an area on the main page that would show the most recent additions, say over in the right-hand section of the page where the ripcitytwo twitter feed is currently displayed?

Denny can chime in here on if the would go for that but that is certainly possible with the right coding.

 

[riverman]

I would do all sorts of things to support what people want to do. I just don't want to repeat past failures.

Like before we switched to the current forum software, several users swore we needed live chat and they'd use it all the time. The chat was popular for a couple of weeks and then zero activity. We tried chat before that with the same results.

The stupidest thing I can imagine is setting up joomla or whatever only to have the site's home page be a months old article, and nothing new written for ages.

The content has to be regular, as I said. Not only stories every day, but breaking news as immediately as possible.

We set up the writing team, and nobody's writing. To me, that's an indication that there is a real lack of interest, drive, and dedication.

It's incredibly hard to build traffic for any site. It has to be great content.

As to the writing team...I started Paddling upstream and it got zero traffic...only a couple people on the writing team even seemed to read it..it's not out of lack of effort in some cases but lack of response in mine...after 3 it was sort of....what's the point..I can do this with a thread and not have a schedule. We have some really good content organizers here in the threads...some of the best writers rarely post. recently we had Dan Marang writing and he seemed to drop it after 7 episodes. The forum dictates what gets attention and what dies a quick death...that's not because folks haven't tried.

 

[Strenuus]

As to the writing team...I started Paddling upstream and it got zero traffic...only a couple people on the writing team even seemed to read it..it's not out of lack of effort in some cases but lack of response in mine...after 3 it was sort of....what's the point..I can do this with a thread and not have a schedule. We have some really good content organizers here in the threads...some of the best writers rarely post. recently we had Dan Marang writing and he seemed to drop it after 7 episodes. The forum dictates what gets attention and what dies a quick death...that's not because folks haven't tried.

As far as Dan is concerned, it felt (and I have no feeling one way or another on how Dan felt) that people thought he was just doing this as "another" avenue and didn't have a vested interest in the community. That his posts were just for "business" so to speak.

That being said, maybe some would feel that way if they themselves were not included in the S2 community prior. It would be something we would need to be proactive and transparent about, and make it as inclusive as possible.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That's a load of crap. Wordpress is already coded. You load it onto the FTP and it's there. It's not a "lot of work." You did that with Drupal. I have loaded Drupal on 3-4 sites. It's far from difficult.

You put the files on the S2 FTP and I didn't have the energy to build it from scratch six or seven years ago. It was just a blank site that needed everything. Don't pretend like it was a finished product that didn't get used.

ohhhh, now who is the victim??????