...and here's the slippery slope

[KingSpeed]

I agree, SlyPokerDog is a bigot.

 

[maxiep]

Marriage connotes the civil joining, too. My civil marriage license says so.

Are YOU really being precise?

Or just "precise?"

There has been crossover on both sides. I want to separate them. Hopefully after my 34th explanation of my position, you'll begin to get it.

 

[maxiep]

SlyPokerDog is a bigot because once on Oregonlive he called me a bigot and it takes one to know one.

 

[porkchopexpress]

I have held my current position before I ever started posting anywhere, which would take me at least until the mid-90s.

You called me a bigot and stated that I only wanted to separate it because of gay marriage. That IS attacking me personally. I've tolerated your craziness long enough; I have sloughed off much of it because of your emotional struggles. However, a line was crossed. Don't be pissed at me for my response when the fault you need to find is staring you in the mirror.

Why has this issue not come up until now? Not just with you, but others as well? Why was the government's involvement in marriage acceptable until the past few years? My parents were married by a judge. None of their religious friends had a problem with that. I got married in a secular wedding, and didn't hear any complaints from my religious friends and family. Hell, tens of thousands (or more) have been married by Elvis over the years and other than jokes, no one says anything about how they shouldn't be counted as "marriages". A few states start allowing gays to wed (while retaining the church's right to perform only marriages their beliefs agree with) and I start hearing about how the only 'equal' way to do it is to get government out of the marriage game altogether.

This is similar to how you shout about how you 'don't care about an athlete's personal life' when they come out as gay. That is a very common response that I see online. How come I don't hear that (at least in the same volume) when we hear that a straight athlete gets married or has a child, where the common response is a simple 'congrats'? I'm not saying that everyone with that opinion is a bigot and hates gays, but even if they feel exactly the same about Jason Collins' news and Kevin Durant's engagement, why do they only voice that opinion about the former? I assume it is rooted in an uncomfortableness with the subject and not outright hate, but it still shows some level of inability to accept gays as equals.

 

[maxiep]

Why has this issue not come up until now? Not just with you, but others as well? Why was the government's involvement in marriage acceptable until the past few years? My parents were married by a judge. None of their religious friends had a problem with that. I got married in a secular wedding, and didn't hear any complaints from my religious friends and family. Hell, tens of thousands (or more) have been married by Elvis over the years and other than jokes, no one says anything about how they shouldn't be counted as "marriages". A few states start allowing gays to wed (while retaining the church's right to perform only marriages their beliefs agree with) and I start hearing about how the only 'equal' way to do it is to get government out of the marriage game altogether.

This is similar to how you shout about how you 'don't care about an athlete's personal life' when they come out as gay. That is a very common response that I see online. How come I don't hear that (at least in the same volume) when we hear that a straight athlete gets married or has a child, where the common response is a simple 'congrats'? I'm not saying that everyone with that opinion is a bigot and hates gays, but even if they feel exactly the same about Jason Collins' news and Kevin Durant's engagement, why do they only voice that opinion about the former? I assume it is rooted in an uncomfortableness with the subject and not outright hate, but it still shows some level of inability to accept gays as equals.

Wow, do you carry a lot of incorrect assumptions as baggage.

The post started with the idea that the SC decision would also bring on polyandry as an equal right, and that the leap was made quicker than I thought. I am tired of the moral arguments against people being treated equally under the eyes of the law. The easiest solution is to separate civil unions and marriage. That is what I proposed. EVERYONE TREATED EQUALLY UNDER THE LAW. And for that, it's inferred that I'm a bigot and I can't accept gays as equals.

As for Kevin Durant's engagement, I had no idea. And if Jason Collins got married, I'd say "congrats". Coming out of the closet? I don't much care, just like I don't really care about KD's engagement.

 

[Denny Crane]

There has been crossover on both sides. I want to separate them. Hopefully after my 34th explanation of my position, you'll begin to get it.

I get what you think your idea would accomplish.

You don't get that it's second class citizenship for gay people, and for absolutely no good reason.

 

[maxiep]

I get what you think your idea would accomplish.

You don't get that it's second class citizenship for gay people, and for absolutely no good reason.

How? Straight people would have the same classification. And what you mean to say is that right now gay people and people who engage in polyandry have second class citizenship. I would like that situation to change.

 

[porkchopexpress]

Wow, do you carry a lot of incorrect assumptions as baggage.

The post started with the idea that the SC decision would also bring on polyandry as an equal right, and that the leap was made quicker than I thought. I am tired of the moral arguments against people being treated equally under the eyes of the law. The easiest solution is to separate civil unions and marriage. That is what I proposed. EVERYONE TREATED EQUALLY UNDER THE LAW. And for that, it's inferred that I'm a bigot and I can't accept gays as equals.

As for Kevin Durant's engagement, I had no idea. And if Jason Collins got married, I'd say "congrats". Coming out of the closet? I don't much care, just like I don't really care about KD's engagement.

No, I'm not saying you're a bigot. I'm asking why if marriage a strictly religious institution, as you and others in here are claiming, then why this wasn't an issue until now? Why wasn't there the call to banish all marriages, to be replaced with civil unions, 5/10/20 years ago?

About the coming out as gay topic, I'm sure you don't care about Kevin Durant's engagement, because even though it was a thread on here, you seemed to not even notice/remember it. But when Jason Collins announces he is gay, you made sure to say:

May I be the first (and perhaps only) in this thread to say, "Who cares?". As long as they're not hurting anyone else, why would I ever care about someone's private life?

You obviously care enough to notice, read the thread and then comment on it. In your head you may not care about either, but you only comment on one. This wasn't meant to call you out at all, but it is so prevalent in the online community. You'll have 1000 comments on an athlete coming out. Probably 25% are congratulatory. 10% or less is straight offensive. And then the majority is this 'who cares' attitude. Similar news for a straight athlete is nearly 100% congratulatory, with a few 'who cares' thrown in.

 

[maxiep]

No, I'm not saying you're a bigot. I'm asking why if marriage a strictly religious institution, as you and others in here are claiming, then why this wasn't an issue until now? Why wasn't there the call to banish all marriages, to be replaced with civil unions, 5/10/20 years ago?

About the coming out as gay topic, I'm sure you don't care about Kevin Durant's engagement, because even though it was a thread on here, you seemed to not even notice/remember it. But when Jason Collins announces he is gay, you made sure to say:


You obviously care enough to notice, read the thread and then comment on it. In your head you may not care about either, but you only comment on one. This wasn't meant to call you out at all, but it is so prevalent in the online community. You'll have 1000 comments on an athlete coming out. Probably 25% are congratulatory. 10% or less is straight offensive. And then the majority is this 'who cares' attitude. Similar news for a straight athlete is nearly 100% congratulatory, with a few 'who cares' thrown in.

KingSpeed inferred I'm a bigot. You inferred in your post that I had difficulty accepting gay people as equal. Both accusations are equally preposterous.

As for Jason Collins coming out, to me it's akin to Kevin Durant coming out and declaring "I'm straight". If a player would make that declaration, I would make the same post. However, if Jason Collins announced he was marrying another man, my response would have been "Congrats".

Someone's sexual orientation is none of my concern, nor does it have a bearing on what I think about someone as an athlete. Someone joining with someone they love is something to congratulate.

 

[Denny Crane]

How? Straight people would have the same classification. And what you mean to say is that right now gay people and people who engage in polyandry have second class citizenship. I would like that situation to change.

They want to be married like other people want to be married. There are all sorts of reasons for people to marry. Sometimes it's arranged. Sometimes it's to merge two kingdoms. Sometimes it's for love.

They don't want to have something "else," no matter how you sugar coat it.

Go ask your gay friends if they want "civil unions" while other people get "marriages." Maybe you'll learn something.

Not a single gay person I know wants "civil unions" explained exactly as you describe it. Not one.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

you dont know me, i have lots of gay friends

 

[PapaG]

you dont know me, i have lots of gay friends

I also have some black friends, and there's one guy who may be Jewish.

 

[maxiep]

They want to be married like other people want to be married. There are all sorts of reasons for people to marry. Sometimes it's arranged. Sometimes it's to merge two kingdoms. Sometimes it's for love.

They don't want to have something "else," no matter how you sugar coat it.

Go ask your gay friends if they want "civil unions" while other people get "marriages." Maybe you'll learn something.

Not a single gay person I know wants "civil unions" explained exactly as you describe it. Not one.

Thank you for your Pauline Kael-like view on the subject.

All couples/groups would be equal under the eyes of the government. They are not now. If gay people are Episcopalian, they can be married. If there's a church that allows polyandry, those people can be married. The government can only control the legal, not the spiritual.

 

[magnifier661]

Even though Denny is a captain of a lost ship; I agree that we should just mind our own business and let these homosexuals get married.

Seriously, how does this effect us?

 

[magnifier661]

you dont know me, i have lots of gay friends

You mean lovers! I saw those threesome Picts!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Thank you for your Pauline Kael-like view on the subject.

All couples/groups would be equal under the eyes of the government. They are not now. If gay people are Episcopalian, they can be married. If there's a church that allows polyandry, those people can be married. The government can only control the legal, not the spiritual.

what you talkin bout? gotta get a marriage licence to get married yo, unless you are talking about one of those hippie jobs like my parents did

 

[maxiep]

what you talkin bout? gotta get a marriage licence to get married yo, unless you are talking about one of those hippie jobs like my parents did

Nothing wrong with what your parents did. Why did they need the government to tell them what to do?

 

[MarAzul]

They want to be married like other people want to be married. There are all sorts of reasons for people to marry. Sometimes it's arranged. Sometimes it's to merge two kingdoms. Sometimes it's for love.

They don't want to have something "else," no matter how you sugar coat it.

Go ask your gay friends if they want "civil unions" while other people get "marriages." Maybe you'll learn something.

Not a single gay person I know wants "civil unions" explained exactly as you describe it. Not one.

Well they can do it like other people. Marriage is ceremony blessed by the church for a joining of a man and women to become husband and wife in the eyes of god.
A civil union by common law or by an official government justice just can't cover the bases, but I am sure you know it is true. There will always be something missing maybe not quite as obvious as the children they fail to produce. I see your point but can't help.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Nothing wrong with what your parents did. Why did they need the government to tell them what to do?

they didnt obviously. they didnt get legally married either.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Well they can do it like other people. Marriage is ceremony blessed by the church for a joining of a man and women to become husband and wife in the eyes of god.

So what if there are churches that will perform marriage ceremonies for same sex couples?

 

[MarAzul]

So what if there are churches that will perform marriage ceremonies for same sex couples?

I believe the Catholic church did in pre- modern Europe. But it also seems they were called Unions.

http://rense.com/general50/cath.htm

Perhaps they can persuade the Pope again. He is new and eager to please. There are other writings on this subject but they are never married, it always something near like , join, union, "married" meaning sort of married but short of becoming husband and wife in the eyes of God.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I believe the Catholic church did in pre- modern Europe. But it also seems they were called Unions.

http://rense.com/general50/cath.htm

Perhaps they can persuade the Pope again. He is new and eager to please. There are other writings on this subject but they are never married, it always something near like , join, union, "married" meaning sort of married but short of becoming husband and wife in the eyes of God.

There are other churches and other religions besides Catholics. It just takes one that says it's okay under their version of god to invalidate your marriages vs unions interpretation.

 

[maxiep]

So what if there are churches that will perform marriage ceremonies for same sex couples?

It would one day be my hope that many more of them do.

 

[MarAzul]

There are other churches and other religions besides Catholics. It just takes one that says it's okay under their version of god to invalidate your marriages vs unions interpretation.

If you say so Sly. I have read the Koran, much on Hindu and several writing by Buddhist monks on the subject and I honestly don't know of any that speak of same sex marriage, Don't know any the preform the ceremony. The Catholic church did at one time sanctify same sex unions but quit.

So if you know of some, put it out there. I am sure it will please a few.

 

[magnifier661]

If you say so Sly. I have read the Koran, much on Hindu and several writing by Buddhist monks on the subject and I honestly don't know of any that speak of same sex marriage, Don't know any the preform the ceremony. The Catholic church did at one time sanctify same sex unions but quit.

So if you know of some, put it out there. I am sure it will please a few.

Rasta allows woman to marry woman but not men marry men

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If you say so Sly. I have read the Koran, much on Hindu and several writing by Buddhist monks on the subject and I honestly don't know of any that speak of same sex marriage, Don't know any the preform the ceremony. The Catholic church did at one time sanctify same sex unions but quit.

So if you know of some, put it out there. I am sure it will please a few.

Sounds like a business opportunity to me, and the tax exempt benefits that go with it.

Want to be a minister in the Church of the Sly Poker Dog? I bet we can get $1000 a wedding!

 

[MarAzul]

Rasta allows woman to marry woman but not men marry men

The same with the health insurance companies.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i think people are missing the real question here

what do scientologists think about same sex marriage?

 

[MarAzul]

Sounds like a business opportunity to me, and the tax exempt benefits that go with it.

Want to be a minister in the Church of the Sly Poker Dog? I bet we can get $1000 a wedding!

Put another zero on that and you have a preacher. err, right after I take the MarAzul under the great Capes.

 

[MarAzul]

Rasta allows woman to marry woman but not men marry men

Hard to imagine your claim after reading this bit.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit One God Amen.

Greetings in the name of His Imperial Majesty Emperor Haile Selassie 1 of Ethiopia, King of Kings and Lord of Lord, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Elect of God, Custodian of the Davidic Covenant, Father of African Unity.

My dear brother,

First you are correct that the bible says that we must love everyone even our enemies but it also sayS quite clearly that same sex relationships is an abomination to him. I am sure many of my brothers who are more studied in the scriptures will respond to you with biblical references to confirm the same.

InI cannot change or move the "goal post" to suit man's carnal desireS. InI have to subject the flesh to the soul so that InI can live upright before the Father.

If you take the concept of homosexuality to its fullest it is designed to destroy the human race at least the concept of procreation. Egziabher (God) made man and then he made woman as the companion of man. Jesus did not condemn the prostitute rather he told her go away and sin no more.

God has made it clear that before any of his words pass away heaven and earth shall pass first. It is not possible to live a clean upfull life as a Rastafari if you are engaging in sodomy which is clearly condemned in the bible.

I know my brother that many who claim to be homosexual say that it is a natural feeling that they have. It may well be that but it is a natural sensual earthly feeling and not a spritual Godly feeling. The Anglican Church has condoned Gay Bishops and Priests and some countries have made same sex marriages legal. That does not mean that it is right before God. The bible also warns the Shepherds (Leaders) that lead His sheep astray.

God is certainly cominig my brother and unless you repent and begin to walk truly in his light there will be no salvation for you whether you call your self Rastafari or any other label as Jah has created all in his image which is not one of looks but personality character and upful living.

May Jah give you strength to see the destruction that you are bringing to yourself and may you have the strength to accept and amend your ways.

LET JAH LIGHT SHINE.

RASTAFARI