Andre was the cause of no run run??

[MarAzul]

Andre lead the Denver team in minutes played, they ran off 36 fast break point on their way to a win.

Now would someone fill me in on what run run means when McMillan gives the windup signal? Not much run run before Andre, not much in the first preseason game so what is the disconnect here when McMillan talks of being a running team now?

 

[magnifier661]

Andre lead the Denver team in minutes played, they ran off 36 fast break point on their way to a win.

Now would someone fill me in on what run run means when McMillan gives the windup signal? Not much run run before Andre, not much in the first preseason game so what is the disconnect here when McMillan talks of being a running team now?

I sure hope we don't "run, run". That would be the chemistry of failure. I like balance. Not too much half court, not too much run and gun. Basically getting shots off early and playing good defense. You claim this Denver game, but look at how the other team played. They let them have 110 points and 45% from the field.

 

[MarAzul]

Ok! What the heck is McMillan talking about then being a running team? What the heck does run run mean shouted from the sideline by the Sarge?

 

[blue32]

lol- run run! love it.

 

[magnifier661]

Ok! What the heck is McMillan talking about then being a running team? What the heck does run run mean shouted from the sideline by the Sarge?

To up the tempo. He was doing it last game and I don't remember a single moment when Portland was second left in the shot clock.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nate is an Ass Clown. It's really that simple.


Even in our first preseason game, we ran like hell in the first and blew them out. Then we slowed it down for some reason.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Nate is an Ass Clown. It's really that simple.


Even in our first preseason game, we ran like hell in the first and blew them out. Then we slowed it down for some reason.

BTW, I don't know if you're familiar with MarAzul, but you two should be best buddies. He has been the O-Live version of you for years.

 

[Mediocre Man]

BTW, I don't know if you're familiar with MarAzul, but you two should be best buddies. He has been the O-Live version of you for years.

Cool, I'd like to meet the smartest guy on O-Live.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Cool, I'd like to meet the smartest guy on O-Live.

Well, since it's been 3 years since I posted there, it might well be him now.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Well, since it's been 3 years since I posted there, it might well be him now.

Hahaha. Outstanding

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Nate is an Ass Clown. It's really that simple.


Even in our first preseason game, we ran like hell in the first and blew them out. Then we slowed it down for some reason.

I dont think we slowed it down that much in the 2nd half. Guys may have been a little tired due to the short training camp.

 

[Draco]

Andre has been leading the offense before on some of the highest pace teams in the league, pitting any of our slow pace strategies on him was laughable. A guard who can't shoot in the half court? How is that a good match for a slow pace...

I'd like to see us run opportunistically, now in this season I think there will be many opportunities to run, especially at the start, but as it gets closer to the playoffs defenses get back sooner and try harder so you have to execute in the half court. Definitely hope we continue some of the running. We should look at the last Spurs championship teams, they obviously had amazing half court defense and could execute in the half court, but they would run a lot when the opportunities were there.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

As Mags mentioned... PHX played zero defense. Much easier to run against a crappy D.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Maybe I missed it, but when did anybody ever pin the slow pace on Andre?

 

[MarAzul]

Check out the last game Andre play against the Blazers (as a 76er) they ran the Blazers off the court. Turn dang near every 3point shot attempt into a fastbreak bucket.
That against McMillan's vaunted defense.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200903230POR.html#POR_advanced::none

You don't get the fast break totals from that but you can see they weren't jacking up 3 pointers. Blake was missing that corner shot and Andre was making them pay.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

It was because of Roy. He was such a good ISO player our offense revolved around it.

 

[Ed O]

Nate McMillan has been talking for YEARS about running more. Blaming Roy doesn't explain why he did the same thing for every year save one in Seattle.

McMillan might actually follow through on running more this year, but I doubt it. It has nothing to do with the players and everything to do with Nate and how he rewards/punishes mistakes, IMO.

I'm not arguing we SHOULD run more, by the way--I don't care if we run or not as long as we win games--but I just think it's funny that every year people fall for Nate's "we're going to run this year... for REALS this time!" routine.

Ed O.

 

[RR7]

Check out the last game Andre play against the Blazers (as a 76er) they ran the Blazers off the court. Turn dang near every 3point shot attempt into a fastbreak bucket.
That against McMillan's vaunted defense.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200903230POR.html#POR_advanced::none

You don't get the fast break totals from that but you can see they weren't jacking up 3 pointers. Blake was missing that corner shot and Andre was making them pay.

Isn't running a team off the court a term usually used to describe a blowout, and not a game that goes to OT?

 

[Sinobas]

Nate McMillan has been talking for YEARS about running more. Blaming Roy doesn't explain why he did the same thing for every year save one in Seattle.

McMillan might actually follow through on running more this year, but I doubt it. It has nothing to do with the players and everything to do with Nate and how he rewards/punishes mistakes, IMO.

I'm not arguing we SHOULD run more, by the way--I don't care if we run or not as long as we win games--but I just think it's funny that every year people fall for Nate's "we're going to run this year... for REALS this time!" routine.

Ed O.

I'm not so sure about that. It might be Nate, but since Nate has been here, Andre Miller and Sergio were the only guards that I think were capable of leading a break. Jack was "turrible" at it, Blake didn't have the juice, Roy wanted to be a half court man. But that leaves us with Andre...he had a rep for being a running PG, but even with Roy injured, we still didn't run that much.

Could it simply have been a habit that was hard to instill in the team after years of Roy Iso ball?

I don't see why Nate would lie about wanting to run, and why he'd stand on the sideline and pretend he was urging the team to run. Did he tell them behind closed doors (I'm going to tell you to run in the game, but ignore me, that is just so the appears the fans).

I don't think they'd have gotten Felton if they didn't want to run.

 

[RR7]

also, fast break points were 23-14.

 

[RoyToy]

Philadelphia was no higher than 16th in pace factor during his time there, and they were 20th in pace his final year there(2008-2009).

He's old

 

[RoyToy]

Check out the last game Andre play against the Blazers (as a 76er) they ran the Blazers off the court. Turn dang near every 3point shot attempt into a fastbreak bucket.
That against McMillan's vaunted defense.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200903230POR.html#POR_advanced::none

You don't get the fast break totals from that but you can see they weren't jacking up 3 pointers. Blake was missing that corner shot and Andre was making them pay.

The 76ers were 20th in pace that season

Quite the running warriors

This isn't OLive, I will shit on you

 

[maxiep]

I can't think of another coach who dislikes turnovers more than Nate. That's the reason he doesn't fastbreak.

 

[MarAzul]

Very good MaxI but then what is this shet he puts out, we will run this year, I always wanted to run more. Why does he do the run run but watches the walk walk?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I can't think of another coach who dislikes turnovers more than Nate. That's the reason he doesn't fastbreak.

IIRC, Dean Demopolous was credited as the turnover-nazi more than Nate.

 

[maxiep]

IIRC, Dean Demopolous was credited as the turnover-nazi more than Nate.

I remember being told that very same thing. The problem is that he's now with the Clips and they run more than the Blazers. The proof is in the pudding.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Cool, I'd like to meet the smartest guy on O-Live.

"Tallest midget in the circus" comes to mind.

 

[Ed O]

I'm not so sure about that. It might be Nate, but since Nate has been here, Andre Miller and Sergio were the only guards that I think were capable of leading a break. Jack was "turrible" at it, Blake didn't have the juice, Roy wanted to be a half court man. But that leaves us with Andre...he had a rep for being a running PG, but even with Roy injured, we still didn't run that much.

Could it simply have been a habit that was hard to instill in the team after years of Roy Iso ball?

Sure. But how does that explain Nate's career as the coach of Seattle?

I don't see why Nate would lie about wanting to run, and why he'd stand on the sideline and pretend he was urging the team to run. Did he tell them behind closed doors (I'm going to tell you to run in the game, but ignore me, that is just so the appears the fans).

I don't think he's lying. I think that he values things other than pace more than he values pace, and since mistakes are inevitably going to happen when the team runs, he's going to instinctively slow things down. Just like he's always done (again, except for the one season in Seattle).

I don't think they'd have gotten Felton if they didn't want to run.

I don't think Felton is more well-suited to run than most other PGs in the NBA. He certainly didn't run under Larry Brown.

Ed O.

 

[Nikolokolus]

IIRC, Dean Demopolous was credited as the turnover-nazi more than Nate.

OK ... so why did absolutely nothing change when Dean was let go?

 

[e_blazer]

Man, I think some of you would only be happy if Paul Westhead was coaching the Blazers. The pace was much faster in the first game, as anybody without a Nate-shaped chip on his shoulder should be able to recognize. There wasn't a single time when the shot clock got down below 5 seconds and on most possessions the shot went up prior to 15 seconds. Yeah, the pace slowed a bit after the first quarter, but primarily because the guys aren't in shape yet to run that much and because the second unit isn't as good at it as the first. I think the pace is going to be just fine this year, but whatever it is it won't satisfy some around here. A 20 point blow-out and you're still whining. Give me a break.