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Where does Ant land?

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Rastapopoulos said:
Blazers' second half stats:
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Apparently Scoot was almost as good as Banton!

Per 48 Anfernee's assists look pretty comparable (but they both have terrible A/TO ratios):
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Assuming the Banton crack was sarcasm? Scoot looks better at everything except rebounding in those comparisons. Banton shot more than Scoot, but Scoot was the better 3pt and FT shooter, and got twice as many assists. Overall shooting % is similar.
 
sheed30 said:
When has Scoot showed he can do that yet? Only in flashes...

you said play defense, if you been reading, Scoot defensive stats is almost the same as Ant! So where this I want defense coming from?

And, Scoot can play and start at PG. Simons at the 2....now you going to say something about why you dont want Ant at the 2 lol..

I also want a PG that doesn't turn the ball over like crazy in Scoot, that can spread the floor consistently, Scoot hasn't, and actually shows good basketball IQ, Scoot just full speed mode all the time...

Scoot has a lot of prove and the jury is still out on him
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We don't have a PG on this roster that is a better passer than Scoot. And after 6 years in the league Ant turns the ball over just as often as our rookie PG.
 
Teams that provide Ant (and his game) an opportunity to flourish:

San Antonio: who needs to play defense when you are backed up by Wemby!? And Ant would spread the floor nicely!

Brooklyn: They got nothing of a team but hey its New York and they need fans in the seats and to keep things exciting - turn Ant loose and he becomes a 26-30 point a game scorer and fan favorite

Charlotte: Ant can stand behind the three point line and wait for the ball to be kicked out to him - he’ll average 22-24 points per game in his sleep

Chicago: If they unload vets, Ant is a good pick up as he can score. A similar situation as would be Brooklyn

Atlanta: Shortest PG / SG combo in the leaugue, but the Hawks need another guard

Other landing spots:

Orlando
Utah
NY Knicks
Indiana

thoughts?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Looking at Scoots full season stats is pointless. The first half of the season he was terrible and he was adjusting to the speed of the NBA. The second half he looked much better and started to show signs of improvement. I’m not at all interested in discussing the first half. I’m only interested in discussing the second half.
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Where were you when people have been using Ant’s 3 season to start his career in which he barely played to justify some defensive stats and other crap? You only speak up when it’s about Scoot lol.

you guys really have a bias thing against Ant, I don’t care if others say otherwise it’s clear as day, the same like 4-5 people repeating their opinion about Ant over and over.

If we trade Ant, who are you trying going to point your negativity towards after? Ayton? Sharpe? Actually it will be Grant if he is on the team if Ant is traded.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We don't have a PG on this roster that is a better passer than Scoot. And after 6 years in the league Ant turns the ball over just as often as our rookie PG.
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Wrong once again. You just love to put your foot in your mouth over and over don’t you?

Scoot averaged more in less minutes, what are you talking about?

look at their per 36 mins. You make zero sense all the time in here lol sorry to say
 
Boomchakalaka2 said:
Teams that provide Ant (and his game) an opportunity to flourish:

San Antonio: who needs to play defense when you are backed up by Wemby!? And Ant would spread the floor nicely!

Brooklyn: They got nothing of a team but hey its New York and they need fans in the seats and to keep things exciting - turn Ant loose and he becomes a 26-30 point a game scorer and fan favorite

Charlotte: Ant can stand behind the three point line and wait for the ball to be kicked out to him - he’ll average 22-24 points per game in his sleep

Chicago: If they unload vets, Ant is a good pick up as he can score. A similar situation as would be Brooklyn

Atlanta: Shortest PG / SG combo in the leaugue, but the Hawks need another guard

Other landing spots:

Orlando
Utah
NY Knicks
Indiana

thoughts?
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Atlanta is obviously a joke.

I think San Antonio should definitely try to get Ant, him and Castle make a lot of sense as a back court with Wemby in the front court. That being said they currently have CP3, Graham and Tre Jones all of whom are really small guards. I guess we could take Graham and Jones, just waive one and have the other back up Scoot. Obviously we'd need a FRP and maybe even two.

I don't know how much sense Chicago or Brooklyn make just because Brooklyn already has an all offense no defense in Cam Johnson and Chicago has Coby White.

I've thought for a while that Ant would fit nicely next to LaMelo, so yeah Charlotte makes sense.

I still think that the Magic make the most sense of any team in the league.

Utah doesn't need another guard, Indiana doesn't need another guard and the Knicks... don't need another guard.
 
sheed30 said:
Wrong once again. You just love to put your foot in your mouth over and over don’t you?

Scoot averaged more in less minutes, what are you talking about?

look at their per 36 mins. You make zero sense all the time in here lol sorry to say
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...On fewer attempts. Look at assist to turnover ratio.

Scoot is the far superior playmaker.
 
Phatguysrule said:
...On fewer attempts. Look at assist to turnover ratio.

Scoot is the far superior playmaker.
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Try again, you said he turns the ball over just as much lol.

Ant was also having the best defensive player guarding him while Scoot was playing a large chunk off the bench Vs second units. Big difference

And I wasn’t even talking to you, I don’t know why you have to keep rambling on and on about Ant, we get it already for the millionth time, you’re a Ant hater
 
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Boomchakalaka2 said:
Teams that provide Ant (and his game) an opportunity to flourish:

San Antonio: who needs to play defense when you are backed up by Wemby!? And Ant would spread the floor nicely!

Brooklyn: They got nothing of a team but hey its New York and they need fans in the seats and to keep things exciting - turn Ant loose and he becomes a 26-30 point a game scorer and fan favorite

Charlotte: Ant can stand behind the three point line and wait for the ball to be kicked out to him - he’ll average 22-24 points per game in his sleep

Chicago: If they unload vets, Ant is a good pick up as he can score. A similar situation as would be Brooklyn

Atlanta: Shortest PG / SG combo in the leaugue, but the Hawks need another guard

Other landing spots:

Orlando
Utah
NY Knicks
Indiana

thoughts?
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Good work. At this point I would trade Ant for Portland’s pick back from Chicago and Ball’s expiring if Ant will not be the sixth man in Portland until a good deal is found for him. Brunson and Mitchell are just two examples of short scoring guards that can light it up making the case for Ant eventually having a market for him. Just doesn’t seem to be this year. Personally I just don’t want Ant on this team playing me ball. I am great with Shae at the 2, not the 3. I am looking forward to seeing Scoot with Shae, Ayton and now Avdija. Scoot was a young rookie playing the toughest position to learn in the NBA. I expect his turnovers to go down, but I can accept 3.6 turnovers again if he is getting double that in assists, which is what I anticipate once Portland has built a contender. As to his shooting, his FT% is stellar, leading one to believe his 3 pt fg% will improve with experience. I have no doubt Scoot is working hard as I type this working on everything we want him to, and more. I am truly more concerned with Shae being the player we want him to ascend to being than I am Scoot.
 
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sheed30 said:
Where were you when people have been using Ant’s 3 season to start his career in which he barely played to justify some defensive stats and other crap? You only speak up when it’s about Scoot lol.

you guys really have a bias thing against Ant, I don’t care if others say otherwise it’s clear as day, the same like 4-5 people repeating their opinion about Ant over and over.

If we trade Ant, who are you trying going to point your negativity towards after? Ayton? Sharpe? Actually it will be Grant if he is on the team if Ant is traded.
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Frankly, I don't care that much about this discussion and have only been skipping over it.
 
sheed30 said:
When has Scoot showed he can do that yet? Only in flashes...

you said play defense, if you been reading, Scoot defensive stats is almost the same as Ant! So where this I want defense coming from?

And, Scoot can play and start at PG. Simons at the 2....now you going to say something about why you dont want Ant at the 2 lol..

I also want a PG that doesn't turn the ball over like crazy in Scoot, that can spread the floor consistently, Scoot hasn't, and actually shows good basketball IQ, Scoot just full speed mode all the time...

Scoot has a lot of prove and the jury is still out on him
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Totally. But then I think it’s also fair to say the jury is not out on Anfernee any longer. We know he’s a bad defender. We know he doesn’t get his teammates involved like a pg should.
 
sheed30 said:
Yawn, I haven’t said anything to your annoying ass in a long time, so get your head out your ass
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Two responses me to today.... once yesterday... interesting definition of "a long time."
 
Natebishop3 said:
Two responses me to today.... once yesterday... interesting definition of "a long time."
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Those were your responses to me first bro. I was replying. I haven’t chimed in on any of your subjects or discussions in forever.

I know you miss me though!
 
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sheed30 said:
Try again, you said he turns the ball over just as much lol.

Ant was also having the best defensive player guarding him while Scoot was playing a large chunk off the bench Vs second units. Big difference

And I wasn’t even talking to you, I don’t know why you have to keep rambling on and on about Ant, we get it already for the millionth time, you’re a Ant hater
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Ant isn't good enough for me to hate him. I don't care about Ant much one way or the other.

Assist to turnover ratio is how you determine if a PG is a good passer and playmaker. Otherwise a point guard could be an absolute ball hog who never passes and would have no turnovers because he never passes the ball.

You really need to study up on the game.

And if you're making a post in a forum you're talking to everyone. If you want to have a private conversation with somebody you can send them a private message.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Assist to turnover ratio is how you determine if a PG is a good passer and playmaker. Otherwise a point guard could be an absolute ball hog who never passes and would have no turnovers because he never passes the ball.
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Not completely true at all. Players who are creating offense will always have higher turnovers. Initiating offense leads to turnovers some of the time. You are right that assists also leads to turnovers. So higher or lower turnovers are a component of how effective a player is both at creating offense for themselves (and thus related to shooting %) or for others (and thus related to assists).

But assists also can be a very misleading metric of a PG playmaking, as some players hog the ball and then get more assists at the end of the clock at the expense of the team. Think of PG like Westbrook who racked up assist this way but were reluctant to setup a hockey assist (a pass that leads to someone else getting an assist).

Now to your overriding points, I agree that Scoot has some strengths and its unclear if he will ultimately be a much inferior player to Simons as he was last year, or eventually surpass him. We would expect significant improvement from a 20 year old, but that doesn't mean Scoot will ever become a useful starter.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Not completely true at all. Players who are creating offense will always have higher turnovers. Initiating offense leads to turnovers some of the time. You are right that assists also leads to turnovers. So higher or lower turnovers are a component of how effective a player is both at creating offense for themselves (and thus related to shooting %) or for others (and thus related to assists).

But assists also can be a very misleading metric of a PG playmaking, as some players hog the ball and then get more assists at the end of the clock at the expense of the team. Think of PG like Westbrook who racked up assist this way but were reluctant to setup a hockey assist (a pass that leads to someone else getting an assist).
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All stats can be gamed. The point was that assist to turnover ratio is a far better metric than total assists or total turnovers.
 
PDXFonz said:
Again I don’t think the market for Anfernee is quite as good as some may think it should/would/could be.
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But is his value ever going to be as good as we may think it should/would/could be?

The fact is that tweener/combo guards who only score and can't play a lick of defense just aren't that valuable.

Lakers are trying to offload DLO.

The Heat have tried to get value for Herro.

So unless Simons can markedly improve on defense, or prove that he's a true point guard, I really don't see his value increasing. Either that, or he better average over 30 ppg. I think people were a little disappointed with his scoring last year. There were higher expectations than he produced. 22ppg on 28% usage is not great. His usage went up but his scoring stayed roughly the same on less efficiency. So is he going to play better this season? I guess if he can actually put up the numbers that people thought he would, the 25 ppg on efficient splits, then maybe his value goes up.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But is his value ever going to be as good as we may think it should/would/could be?

The fact is that tweener/combo guards who only score and can't play a lick of defense just aren't that valuable.

Lakers are trying to offload DLO.

The Heat have tried to get value for Herro.

So unless Simons can markedly improve on defense, or prove that he's a true point guard, I really don't see his value increasing. Either that, or he better average over 30 ppg. I think people were a little disappointed with his scoring last year. There were higher expectations than he produced. 22ppg on 28% usage is not great. His usage went up but his scoring stayed roughly the same on less efficiency. So is he going to play better this season? I guess if he can actually put up the numbers that people thought he would, the 25 ppg on efficient splits, then maybe his value goes up.
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If the value sucks, which is probably does, look at Djounte Murray... sell him on coming off the bench and being a super-sub Lou Williams.
 
PDXFonz said:
Again I don’t think the market for Anfernee is quite as good as some may think it should/would/could be.
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I certainly think this may be possible. In that case we should just keep Simons and fit him into whatever role is best for the team. His contract will be an expiring next season.

We need to at least get a decent FRP in a trade or it would be a waste to trade him. Especially when we've had so many scrubs playing major minutes or starting the last 3 years. Simons on the roster is not going to prevent Scoot/Shae/Clingan/Deni/etc from getting any role they deserve with the lack of talent on this roster.

Cronin still should look for trades this summer and all season for all of our vets bringing back longer term pieces; Grant/Simons/Ayton/Thybulle/Timelord. But were not going to have cap space next summer, so salary cap relief is irrelevant for 2 years. We at least need a FRP to trade any. Maybe there is an argument to trade away Grant/Thybulle so they don't clog up our cap in the summer of 2026, but the others are fine to just hold and see what happens. We've seen tons of players traded out in sign and trade for 2nd rounders, or then used to bring in another teams player via sign and trade as the Warriors did with Slo-mo/Hield. So even letting Simons/Ayton/Timelord just play out their contract and walk could very well be the best return of an asset we can get.
 
PDXFonz said:
Again I don’t think the market for Anfernee is quite as good as some may think it should/would/could be.
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No deals. Simons is untouchable. I heard somewhere that Cronin was lead scouty guy under Olshey, and pioneered the draft to take Anfernee Simons. He's going to be a Blazer 4 Life. Cronin has gone full Truman Show with Anfernee. "I built this place for you."
 
AmirIcon said:
If the value sucks, which is probably does, look at Djounte Murray... sell him on coming off the bench and being a super-sub Lou Williams.
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Not sure what you mean by this, Murray last came off the bench way back in 2017 while Simons was in High School.
 
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