Anfernee Simons trade destinations

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Where does Ant land?

  • Spurs

    Votes: 7 15.9%

  • Magic

    Votes: 14 31.8%

  • Nets

    Votes: 1 2.3%

  • Knicks

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Jazz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Bulls

    Votes: 1 2.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 9.1%

  • Blazers 2024/25

    Votes: 17 38.6%
  • Total voters
    44
Phatguysrule said:
Ant is not a good enough defender forwne to want to keep him around. As soon as we can trade him for a starting level better defender at another position we should do it.
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I don't think anyone would argue with that, nor has anyone.
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
Don't really see the point of both 12 and 14 in this weak draft. I'd rather have a future Orlando protected pick or Denver pick or such.

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well, then trade Grant/Ayton + 14 to Detroit for 5. Then trade Brogdon + 12 to Memphis for 9 (or maybe get Grant+Brogdon+12+14 cooking in a small shot at joining Houston's #3 BBQ). Now it's 5+7+9. That's looking better and creates some very interesting options

or trade 12/14 to some teams looking to move up in this draft (and some are) for future pick(s)

or let OKC keep 12, Portland keeps 18, and OKC pays Portland out of their treasure chest of future 1st's and 2nds. Or let Orlando keep Black and not only do they send out 18, they send out the more favorable of the 2025 Orlando/Denver 1st's and a couple of 2nd's
 
Boomchakalaka2 said:
An idea!

trade Ayton for Houston’s #3 pick - we can throw in a future pick swap, take back an undesired contract of Houston, etc. It’s a “win now” move for the Rockets.

With 3, we take Clinghan
With 7, we take Holland
With 14, we take Eddy

(relatively doable)

An option would be to trade one of the remaining vets + 14 to obtain Chicago’s #11 AND get our pick back from Chicago! Say, Grant + 14 to the Bulls for #11, our pick back and we take Lonzo Ball

we now have our “rebuild” at Center, we have Scoot and Sharpe at guards and a wing with Holland

We play on and look toward the trade deadline for finding trade partners for Ant, Grant, Thybulle, Williams and Brogdan. And if we are heading toward a playoff spot - play on and deal with more moves next off-season when the 2025 draft will have some excellent prospects to continue with a rebuild.

Ant remains a Blazer for 2024/25
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I think Ayton to Atlanta actually makes more sense. Doubtful Houston wants to invest that much money in their center position with Sengun already there.
 
AmirIcon said:
I think Ayton to Atlanta actually makes more sense. Doubtful Houston wants to invest that much money in their center position with Sengun already there.
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I just don’t want to overpay to get the Atlanta pick. Ayton and a future pick perhaps - and not sure who we have to take back in trade for salary cap purposes. I like Ayton, but if a rebuild is going to take more than three years, let’s go with youth. I still like the idea of picking Clingan, Edey and Holland to add to the rebuilding plan. Like Jokic with Nirkic in Denver, we can wait and see who stays and who is traded later, if necessary. Next piece will be PF.
 
Boomchakalaka2 said:
I just don’t want to overpay to get the Atlanta pick. Ayton and a future pick perhaps - and not sure who we have to take back in trade for salary cap purposes. I like Ayton, but if a rebuild is going to take more than three years, let’s go with youth. I still like the idea of picking Clingan, Edey and Holland to add to the rebuilding plan. Like Jokic with Nirkic in Denver, we can wait and see who stays and who is traded later, if necessary. Next piece will be PF.
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I'm would not include any future picks for one this year.
 
Ok….let’s go with a win-now - keep Ant approach to start 2024


Here goes:

New Orleans receives Grant and Thybulle
sending Ingram to the Blazers and pick 21 to Portland and their 2026 unprotected 1st to Utah via Blazers. Pels also receive Utah’s #10 selection in the upcoming draft.

Portland receives Markenen from Utah and Portland receives Ingram from Pels.

Portland packages 14 and 21 to move up to 9 (Memphis) selects Edey as backup C

Utah receives Portland’s #7 pick, two of Portland’s 2029 unprotected #1 picks via Boston and via Bucks and they also receive the 2026 unprotected 1st via New Orleans as per our trading Grant & Thybulle to Pels; summary: Utah receives 3 unprotected number 1 picks plus our 2024 #7 pick. An Ainge-type haul. Sends 10th pick to the Pels and Markenen to the Blazers;

Portland roster looks like:

Ayton / Edey / Reath / Williams
Markenen / Walker
Ingram / Sharpe / Camara / Murray
Ant / Banton / Rupert
Scoot / Brogdan

now, we can always trade Ant for 2025 draft capital making room for Sharpe to start at SG

and if we don’t make the playoffs, we can move Brogdan and Williams

but this is a playoff-bound team and if Ayton and Markenen can play together, we can stand up against Denver and Minnesota and even push Wemby around. And Brogdan continues to mentor our young backcourt.

ESPN TRADE MACHINE APPROVED
 
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Boomchakalaka2 said:
Ok….let’s go with a win-now - keep Ant approach to start 2024


Here goes:

New Orleans receives Grant and Thybulle
sending pick 21 to Portland and their 2026 unprotected 1st to Utah via Blazers;

Portland receives Markenen from Utah and Portland receives Ingram from Pels.

Portland packages 14 and 21 to move up to 9 (Memphis) selects Edey as backup C

Utah receives Portland’s #7 pick, two of Portland’s 2029 unprotected #1 picks via Boston and via Bucks and they also receive the 2026 unprotected 1st via New Orleans as per our trading Grant & Thybulle to Pels; summary: Utah receives 3 unprotected number 1 picks plus our 2024 #7 pick. An Ainge-type haul;

Portland roster looks like:

Ayton / Edey / Reath / Williams
Markenen / Walker
Ingram / Sharpe / Camara / Murray
Ant / Banton / Rupert
Scoot / Brogdan

now, we can always trade Ant for 2025 draft capital making room for Sharpe to start at SG

and if we don’t make the playoffs, we can move Brogdan and Williams

but this is a playoff team and if Ayton and Markenen can play together, we can stand up against Denver and Minnesota and even push Wemby around
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So the Pelicans are giving up Ingram, pick 21 in this draft and an unprotected pick FRP in 2026 for Jerami and Matisse??? I don't think that comes close to happening.
 
blazerkor said:
So the Pelicans are giving up Ingram, pick 21 in this draft and an unprotected pick FRP in 2026 for Jerami and Matisse??? I don't think that comes close to happening.
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has anyone ever watched the Blazers?? Chauncey would put Ingram at small ball Center with 4 guards. The opponents would destroy the Blazers around the glass. Then Billups would tell everyone he got guys good looks, they just couldn't get them to drop.
 
blazerkor said:
So the Pelicans are giving up Ingram, pick 21 in this draft and an unprotected pick FRP in 2026 for Jerami and Matisse??? I don't think that comes close to happening.
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Trade update!
Utah to give their #10 pick to the Pels. They are getting our #7 plus three future unprotected #1 picks. Now New Orleans is sending out Ingram and #21, receiving Grant, Thybulle and #10 pick.
 
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Trade him for a subway gift card cause the real news is Super Mario ( Mario Hezonja ) wants to return to the NBA so trade Ant for whatever and sign Mario and the Blazers will be golden and a ring will come next year for sure -- lol
 
Boomchakalaka2 said:
Nuts? Who you call’s nuts! We just traded away Ayton (in theory) and taking Clinghan and Edey gets you College’s top two centers to battle it out - as Blazers. And if we successfully obtain a wing (Holland) at 7, we have only to hunt for our future PF and still have Ant, Grant, Williams and Brogdan to make that happen (2025 draft?)
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Clingan and Edey both would have major minutes neither could be on the court. Doesn't make sense to have them on the same roster when they can only split backup minutes. Neither can ever be a full-time starter.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Ant is not a good enough defender for me to want to keep him around. As soon as we can trade him for a starting level better defender at another position we should do it.
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So what if we can never trade him for a starting level player?

Doesn't make sense that so many posters talk about how Ant can't be a key member of the Blazers but then assume we can trade him for a key member of the Blazers.

If Blazers can trade Ant for more than hes worth then do it. If not keep him around. Pretty simple.
 
Boomchakalaka2 said:
Ok….let’s go with a win-now - keep Ant approach to start 2024


Here goes:

New Orleans receives Grant and Thybulle
sending Ingram to the Blazers and pick 21 to Portland and their 2026 unprotected 1st to Utah via Blazers. Pels also receive Utah’s #10 selection in the upcoming draft.

Portland receives Markenen from Utah and Portland receives Ingram from Pels.

Portland packages 14 and 21 to move up to 9 (Memphis) selects Edey as backup C

Utah receives Portland’s #7 pick, two of Portland’s 2029 unprotected #1 picks via Boston and via Bucks and they also receive the 2026 unprotected 1st via New Orleans as per our trading Grant & Thybulle to Pels; summary: Utah receives 3 unprotected number 1 picks plus our 2024 #7 pick. An Ainge-type haul. Sends 10th pick to the Pels and Markenen to the Blazers;

Portland roster looks like:

Ayton / Edey / Reath / Williams
Markenen / Walker
Ingram / Sharpe / Camara / Murray
Ant / Banton / Rupert
Scoot / Brogdan

now, we can always trade Ant for 2025 draft capital making room for Sharpe to start at SG

and if we don’t make the playoffs, we can move Brogdan and Williams

but this is a playoff-bound team and if Ayton and Markenen can play together, we can stand up against Denver and Minnesota and even push Wemby around. And Brogdan continues to mentor our young backcourt.

ESPN TRADE MACHINE APPROVED
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This can't fit in a trade machine- Grant and Thybulle don't make enough to bring back Ingram and Markennen salary. Blazers also would be in luxury tax (not happening)

This would be a horrific use of the two best picks from the Dame trade, using them on Markennen while your resulting Blazers are worse than any of Dame recent years here. Blazers need to continue what they started with the Dame trade and build for the future, not reverse course every few months.

Edey makes zero sense with this roster since you have too many guys needing touches, as well as touches needed off the bench, and Edey needs the whole offense modified for him to be on the court in his limited backup minutes.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
So what if we can never trade him for a starting level player?

Doesn't make sense that so many posters talk about how Ant can't be a key member of the Blazers but then assume we can trade him for a key member of the Blazers.

If Blazers can trade Ant for more than hes worth then do it. If not keep him around. Pretty simple.
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If they can't trade him for a starting level player or draft pick equivalent to a starting level player then we are overvaluing him and overpaying him, and he should certainly not be starting much longer.

That being tge caee he'll probably need to be traded because we can't be giving such a terrible defender that kind of financial commitment if we want our younger players to be serious about playing defense.

That just semds tge wrong message.
 
I think the Blazers will start Ant, Sharp & Scoot to show case his game for deadline trade.
 
Hoopguru said:
It's more about showcasing Ant. Hopefully Joe can negotiate a decent trade before season starts though.
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Ant will get his 30 minutes a game whether he starts or comes off the bench. I see no reason why the Blazers need to move Sharpe to SF just to showcase Ant. The only way I would play Sharpe at SF is if we drafted Castle. But even in that case I would start Castle, move Ant to the bench, and trade. Scoot.
 
I’m not seeing the Blazers as a player in free agency except as a seller. IMHO, the draft should be their free agency on working on the line-up AND as a future’s market. Get a 1-3 pick and move up from 14 while making trades — Grant, Ant, Brogdon. Make the trade partners better with veterans while being committed to the rebuild through the draft and development.

Any contending team — Philly — (or team with cap space who wants to win) who misses on free agency $$$ players is a good place for a good-not-great veteran not moved during the draft.

1. No forward in the draft is plug and play with Grant’s skills/abilities. The Blazers don’t need ANY good players in return — just ones with a year remaining (maybe 2) and take back less money. The top 3 is the target.
2. Ant to the Spurs + 8 and filler is more than fair. [w/ 7 is a Saluan + Williams grab]
3. SAC at 13 is another target to reunite brothers.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
2. Ant to the Spurs + 8 and filler is more than fair. [w/ 7 is a Saluan + Williams grab]
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I definitely would like to get Williams and Salaun in this draft.
I would prefer to get rid of Grant's contract to do it since we would be drafting two forwards.

Maye trade Brogdon (plus 34) to the Lakers for 17. Then trade 14, 17, and Grant to Houston or Detroit.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Ant will get his 30 minutes a game whether he starts or comes off the bench. I see no reason why the Blazers need to move Sharpe to SF just to showcase Ant. The only way I would play Sharpe at SF is if we drafted Castle. But even in that case I would start Castle, move Ant to the bench, and trade. Scoot.
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That could be a possibility as at this point they all are simply assets/poker chips.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
I’m not seeing the Blazers as a player in free agency except as a seller. IMHO, the draft should be their free agency on working on the line-up AND as a future’s market. Get a 1-3 pick and move up from 14 while making trades — Grant, Ant, Brogdon. Make the trade partners better with veterans while being committed to the rebuild through the draft and development.

Any contending team — Philly — (or team with cap space who wants to win) who misses on free agency $$$ players is a good place for a good-not-great veteran not moved during the draft.

1. No forward in the draft is plug and play with Grant’s skills/abilities. The Blazers don’t need ANY good players in return — just ones with a year remaining (maybe 2) and take back less money. The top 3 is the target.
2. Ant to the Spurs + 8 and filler is more than fair. [w/ 7 is a Saluan + Williams grab]
3. SAC at 13 is another target to reunite brothers.
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The issue is a lot of the teams the Blazers will sell vets to won't want to buy them as the first option. They will want our vets if they don't get their A choice in free agency. So that won't be known until after July 4th. The trick is we need to get to complete the draft and then get out of the tax so it might be difficult to accomplish those tasks as early as the Blazers would prefer.
 
I just don’t see how the team with the worst 3 point shooting in the league can part with both Brogdon and Simons this summer, yet that seems to be the prevailing preference on this board.
 
e_blazer said:
I just don’t see how the team with the worst 3 point shooting in the league can part with both Brogdon and Simons this summer, yet that seems to be the prevailing preference on this board.
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because it doesn't matter.

The Blazers won't be winning many games in any case. Spreading the floor for 25-28 wins is useless. Portland should be all about adding whatever rebuilding assets they can gather, not straddling a fence by trying to hold onto vets that have little impact on winning and will not alter a lottery team's trajectory in any positive way. And that's exactly the kind of vets Portland has

personally, the only 4+ year vet I'd be OK with Portland holding onto entering the season is Brogdon because of his ability to mentor young players and his lead-by-example capacity
 
e_blazer said:
I just don’t see how the team with the worst 3 point shooting in the league can part with both Brogdon and Simons this summer, yet that seems to be the prevailing preference on this board.
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Where we finish in three point shooting next year is entirely irrelevant.

Wins and losses matter, even in this upcoming season. Which players are getting experience matters.

Basing roster decisions on where we will rank next year in three point shooting, or blocks, or charges taken, or whatever... that's hopefully not something the Blazers will do.
 
inconceivable said:
Ant to Golden State? To replace Klay
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I was curious:

time of possession per touch: Ant 6.3 seconds....Klay 1.4 seconds
dribbles/touch: Ant 4.82....Klay 1.36
touches/game: 73.3....Klay 39.0

so that means:

time of possession/game: Ant 462 seconds = 7.7 minutes....Klay 55 seconds = 0.9 minutes
dribbles/game: Ant 353....Klay 53

considering that Klay on crutches might be able to play better defense than Ant, I doubt the Warriors would view Ant as the kind of talent worthy of restructuring their offense and downgrading their defense
 
wizenheimer said:
I was curious:

time of possession per touch: Ant 6.3 seconds....Klay 1.4 seconds
dribbles/touch: Ant 4.82....Klay 1.36
touches/game: 73.3....Klay 39.0

so that means:

time of possession/game: Ant 462 seconds = 7.7 minutes....Klay 55 seconds = 0.9 minutes
dribbles/game: Ant 353....Klay 53

considering that Klay on crutches might be able to play better defense than Ant, I doubt the Warriors would view Ant as the kind of talent worthy of restructuring their offense and downgrading their defense
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There is also Ant entering Prime, Klay on the downhill
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Ant will get his 30 minutes a game whether he starts or comes off the bench. I see no reason why the Blazers need to move Sharpe to SF just to showcase Ant. The only way I would play Sharpe at SF is if we drafted Castle. But even in that case I would start Castle, move Ant to the bench, and trade. Scoot.
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If Ant is coming off the bench his value will be lower. We can't expect to trade a bench player for a starting level player.
 
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