Anfernee Simons trade destinations

[Pinwheel1]

If he's coming off the bench every GM in the league will be able to say.
"He's a bench player on ine of the worst teams in the NBA..." In negotiations.

So he's an overpaid bench player on a bad team.

I think he needs to start until we trade him.

I don't have a player in mind. I just want him traded for max value. I'd trade him for a future first round pick, for example.

That seems to be the consensus......a future first-round pick. But unless it is a high lottery pick then the odds of getting a future starting player back ......is not great.

I would be fine with Black and a 1st and a salary dump. But unless Orlando's GM (or any other GM) is a complete moron he is not going to make his decision based on Portland's " tanking record". Nor whether or not we moved him to the bench so Scoot and Sharpe could start. Each team is different and has different needs. A starting lineup with Suggs, Ant, Franz, and Banchero is better than what they had last year.

 

[Whyachi]

And all kinds of problems for us on defense when we realize that's only a two guard rotation and not three!

Defense doesn't rack up fantasy stats. As long as Blazer guards hedge every play, even if their is no screener, the podcasters can blame Ayton, Duop, Thybulle, Eubanks, Winslow, etc etc for not guarding all 5 opponents. The guards did their job. They got out the way, and made someone else play defense.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Deflecting much?

I’m not saying that the draft isn’t important for the rebuild. Just saying that giving up talented vets without getting talented vets back, in hopes that future draft picks will be as good as the guys you’ve traded away, is far from a certain way to success and it’s going to take a long time.

These two things are unavoidable. It will either take a long time or a really really really long time.

I'm hoping for the former, but that would need the Blazers to do an aggressive job all in for the short term on a rebuild as OKC did. Trying to do a slow hybrid win now win later, build now build later, approach just prolongs the pain and keeps this franchise stuck in purgatory for the long haul.

If we were a glamor market there could be an argument to more of a hybrid build - but even NY and for many years the Lakers, etc have trouble with that path. NBA history is crystal clear that the franchises like the Blazers best path is a long term focus and prioritizing the draft. Once you have a core a couple well executed trade or even a free agent signing can be the last piece, they just can't be the first pieces.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'm hoping for the former, but that would need the Blazers to do an aggressive job all in for the short term on a rebuild as OKC did. Trying to do a slow hybrid win now win later, build now build later, approach just prolongs the pain and keeps this franchise stuck in purgatory for the long haul.

Orlando is probably a better example....and that was not a short-term rebuild.

As good as Chet and Williams are, OKC is a lottery team without SGA and they got him by trading away a high-priced vet to a team that was being strong-armed by another superstar. Dumb move by the Clippers and many of their fans knew it at the time.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That seems to be the consensus......a future first-round pick. But unless it is a high lottery pick then the odds of getting a future starting player back ......is not great.

I would be fine with Black and a 1st and a salary dump. But unless Orlando's GM (or any other GM) is a complete moron he is not going to make his decision based on Portland's " tanking record". Nor whether or not we moved him to the bench so Scoot and Sharpe could start. Each team is different and has different needs. A starting lineup with Suggs, Ant, Franz, and Banchero is better than what they had last year.

He won't make his decision based on that, but it will be a chip in his pocket that we won't really be able to counter with much. Because it'll be true.

 

[BIG Q]

If he's coming off the bench every GM in the league will be able to say.
"He's a bench player on ine of the worst teams in the NBA..." In negotiations.

So he's an overpaid bench player on a bad team.

I think he needs to start until we trade him.

I don't have a player in mind. I just want him traded for max value. I'd trade him for a future first round pick, for example.

I think every GM in the league knows what Ant is and is not as a player after six seasons. If Portland makes him the sixth man, every GM knows it is so Portland can see what they have in Scoot/Sharpe. Sure, every GM will try to steal Ant for nothing if they like him. It is Cronin's job not to give him away for nothing, unless he becomes a problem. At this point I doubt he becomes a problem. Personally, I am more interested in seeing Scoot/Sharpe/Ayton with what they get out of this draft. Do not want to see an increase in wins this season. Want the number one pick in 24/25 draft.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think every GM in the league knows what Ant is and is not as a player after six seasons. If Portland makes him the sixth man, every GM knows it is so Portland can see what they have in Scoot/Sharpe. Sure, every GM will try to steal Ant for nothing if they like him. It is Cronin's job not to give him away for nothing, unless he becomes a problem. At this point I doubt he becomes a problem. Personally, I am more interested in seeing Scoot/Sharpe/Ayton with what they get out of this draft. Do not want to see an increase in wins this season. Want the number one pick in 24/25 draft.

I'd like that as well. But I do not want to see Ant here in 3 years because we couldn't get a good offer. I want him traded for solid value ASAP.

 

[BIG Q]

I'd like that as well. But I do not want to see Ant here in 3 years because we couldn't get a good offer. I want him traded for solid value ASAP.

I want him traded ASAP as well. Getting rid of Ant before the draft works for me, and satisfies your wanting him to not come off of the bench in Portland. Good thing is Simons only has two more years on his contract.

 

[Hoopguru]

I want him traded ASAP as well. Getting rid of Ant before the draft works for me, and satisfies your wanting him to not come off of the bench in Portland. Good thing is Simons only has two more years on his contract.

I would think Ant would be a desirable acquisition as he's young, his game has developed and his contract is reasonable.

 

[e_blazer]

These two things are unavoidable. It will either take a long time or a really really really long time.

I'm hoping for the former, but that would need the Blazers to do an aggressive job all in for the short term on a rebuild as OKC did. Trying to do a slow hybrid win now win later, build now build later, approach just prolongs the pain and keeps this franchise stuck in purgatory for the long haul.

If we were a glamor market there could be an argument to more of a hybrid build - but even NY and for many years the Lakers, etc have trouble with that path. NBA history is crystal clear that the franchises like the Blazers best path is a long term focus and prioritizing the draft. Once you have a core a couple well executed trade or even a free agent signing can be the last piece, they just can't be the first pieces.

But that’s my point, those things are assured under the plan of dumping vets for picks. The problem with that is that time is not an ally when it comes to the rebuild. Players want a chance to win. Coaches want to win. GMs who value their jobs want to win. Fans want to root for a winner. It’s only on fan sites like this one, where GM wannabes are found in droves, that the long game is seen as the best route to go.

One trade, say Ant and one of our first rounders for a starting caliber vet PF or SF and suddenly the Blazers’ roster has a reasonable shot at the playoffs or at least play-in range. If Scoot and Sharpe can hit AllStar levels in say 3 years, and if further work is done through the draft and/or trades on supporting role players, then we’re talking contender range.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Which is fine, for the next year or two until we can get Simons traded.

I think it needs to happen now. Especially in a devalued draft.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Count the Blazers’ draft picks.
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That's a complete different time. Where Paul could spend as much as he wanted and pay guys a ton of salary without being super penalized. Apples and oranges. The CBA isn't nearly the same.

 

[Boomchakalaka2]

Clingan and Edey both would have major minutes neither could be on the court. Doesn't make sense to have them on the same roster when they can only split backup minutes. Neither can ever be a full-time starter.

Not if Ayton was traded…

 

[Boomchakalaka2]

This can't fit in a trade machine- Grant and Thybulle don't make enough to bring back Ingram and Markennen salary. Blazers also would be in luxury tax (not happening)

This would be a horrific use of the two best picks from the Dame trade, using them on Markennen while your resulting Blazers are worse than any of Dame recent years here. Blazers need to continue what they started with the Dame trade and build for the future, not reverse course every few months.

Edey makes zero sense with this roster since you have too many guys needing touches, as well as touches needed off the bench, and Edey needs the whole offense modified for him to be on the court in his limited backup minutes.

Do you have ideas of your own? The ideas that make perfect sense in your opinion! You know, ideas that are not “horrific” in your experience?
Looking forward to critiquing what ya got.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think it needs to happen now. Especially in a devalued draft.

That would definitely be best, IMO. Frankly if we can't trade him for a decent return this off season we're overvaluing him.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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Do you have ideas of your own? The ideas that make perfect sense in your opinion! You know, ideas that are not “horrific” in your experience?
Looking forward to critiquing what ya got.

Give me:

• Simons to ORL for Black, WCJ, & 18
• Ayton & 14 to Detroit for Duren & 5 (Fournier as salary fill if needed)
• Grant & 18 to Indy for Walker & Nesmith
• Take Buzelis at 5 and Knecht at 7

Of course, that still leaves us with too many players, even if we offloaded Nesmith and Fournier. But still, I'd be really excited to see what those youngsters could do.

Scoot / Black / Banton
Sharpe / Brogdon / Thybulle
Camara / Knecht / Murray / Rupert
Walker / Buzelis / Walker
Duren / Carter / RW3

 

[e_blazer]

Give me:

• Simons to ORL for Black, WCJ, & 18
• Ayton & 14 to Detroit for Duren & 5 (Fournier as salary fill if needed)
• Grant & 18 to Indy for Walker & Nesmith
• Take Buzelis at 5 and Knecht at 7

Of course, that still leaves us with too many players, even if we offloaded Nesmith and Fournier. But still, I'd be really excited to see what those youngsters could do.

Scoot / Black / Banton
Sharpe / Brogdon / Thybulle
Camara / Knecht / Murray / Rupert
Walker / Buzelis / Walker
Duren / Carter / RW3

What did I ever do to you?

 

[Natebishop3]

Give me:

• Simons to ORL for Black, WCJ, & 18
• Ayton & 14 to Detroit for Duren & 5 (Fournier as salary fill if needed)
• Grant & 18 to Indy for Walker & Nesmith
• Take Buzelis at 5 and Knecht at 7

Of course, that still leaves us with too many players, even if we offloaded Nesmith and Fournier. But still, I'd be really excited to see what those youngsters could do.

Scoot / Black / Banton
Sharpe / Brogdon / Thybulle
Camara / Knecht / Murray / Rupert
Walker / Buzelis / Walker
Duren / Carter / RW3

I'll take your Orlando trade:
Simons to ORL for Black, WCJ, & 18
Flip WCJ and 18 to OKC for #12 and the Miami 2o25 pick.

That leaves us with #7, #12 and #14.

Trade Grant/14 to Detroit for 5.

Now we have #5, #7 and #12.

Take Salaun at 5, Knecht at 7 and Williams at 12 (if he's there)
Or Williams at 5, Knecht at 7 and Salaun at 12. It all depends on where people think they're going to fall.

I'd move Brogdon after free agency.

 

[Boomchakalaka2]

I'll take your Orlando trade:
Simons to ORL for Black, WCJ, & 18
Flip WCJ and 18 to OKC for #12 and the Miami 2o25 pick.

That leaves us with #7, #12 and #14.

Trade Grant/14 to Detroit for 5.

Now we have #5, #7 and #12.

Take Salaun at 5, Knecht at 7 and Williams at 12 (if he's there)
Or Williams at 5, Knecht at 7 and Salaun at 12. It all depends on where people think they're going to fall.

I'd move Brogdon after free agency.

….and ANT goes where?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

….and ANT goes where?

Ant was in the Orlando deal

 

[SharpesTriumph]

One trade, say Ant and one of our first rounders for a starting caliber vet PF or SF and suddenly the Blazers’ roster has a reasonable shot at the playoffs or at least play-in range.

I just disagree the Blazers roster is this close to winning. It had the 3rd fewest wins in the league last year. Golden State had 25 more wins and was the 10th seed.

If Scoot and Sharpe become allstars then we flip the picks for a starter at that time. That is a key reason to trade Ant or any of our vets for picks - it allows us to build for the long term if we are not close to competing AND it allows us to build for the short term as we can flip those picks for a win now player the moment we are at that level. Picks are the currency of NBA roster building.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

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Do you have ideas of your own? The ideas that make perfect sense in your opinion! You know, ideas that are not “horrific” in your experience?
Looking forward to critiquing what ya got.

Ok these salaries balance better - you had Brogdon on the Blazers depth chart in your prior post.

Blazers would probably need to dump every pick they could in these deals to get them done. I think it would be a horrible idea as that roster is not winning playoff series and now it has zero good assets to build long term.

I'd flip any of Ant/Grant/Brogdon/Thybulle/Ayton for picks that I could and focus on having the Blazers own pick in 2025 be great.

 

[andalusian]

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Do you have ideas of your own? The ideas that make perfect sense in your opinion! You know, ideas that are not “horrific” in your experience?
Looking forward to critiquing what ya got.

Why would the Jazz be interested in this. I imagine that for the right price they will move him, but it will be a lot higher, imho, than Brogdon and questionable picks.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Give me:

• Simons to ORL for Black, WCJ, & 18

I have my doubts ORL would give up Black, but giving up WCJ and a pick AS WELL? Dream on.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Give me:

• Simons to ORL for Black, WCJ, & 18
• Ayton & 14 to Detroit for Duren & 5 (Fournier as salary fill if needed)
• Grant & 18 to Indy for Walker & Nesmith
• Take Buzelis at 5 and Knecht at 7

Of course, that still leaves us with too many players, even if we offloaded Nesmith and Fournier. But still, I'd be really excited to see what those youngsters could do.

Scoot / Black / Banton
Sharpe / Brogdon / Thybulle
Camara / Knecht / Murray / Rupert
Walker / Buzelis / Walker
Duren / Carter / RW3

So net for picks is we add 5 and lose 14.

Indy really likes Nesmith, not sure they'd even want to swap him for Grant straight up. From our end I'd rather get a young player or picks than Nesmith. We can target a better haul for Grant or if not available just keep him to the deadline.

If we really like two players I can see using 5 and 7. But you have to think of those as being worth 15+17 in a normal draft. Useful but not great picks. I'd prefer trying to flip either 5 or 7 to a team for a distant unprotected pick such as 2031 with Miami, NY, Minnesota, etc.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'll take your Orlando trade:
Simons to ORL for Black, WCJ, & 18
Flip WCJ and 18 to OKC for #12 and the Miami 2o25 pick.

That leaves us with #7, #12 and #14.

Trade Grant/14 to Detroit for 5.

Now we have #5, #7 and #12.

Take Salaun at 5, Knecht at 7 and Williams at 12 (if he's there)
Or Williams at 5, Knecht at 7 and Salaun at 12. It all depends on where people think they're going to fall.

I'd move Brogdon after free agency.

I highly doubt there is any way we use 3 FRP in this draft. If we add a 3rd we'd trade away one or two of them.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

All of these trades involving our vets for players drafted next week seem unlikely. We will want to save luxury tax so we need a team to use some cap space in the trade. However all the teams with cap space will want to first target better options then circle back to our vets as option B.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I have my doubts ORL would give up Black, but giving up WCJ and a pick AS WELL? Dream on.

Unless they want to dump his contract because he is injury-prone. I personally would prefer not to get him in a trade. #18 is more important to me.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Why would the Jazz be interested in this. I imagine that for the right price they will move him, but it will be a lot higher, imho, than Brogdon and questionable picks.

Utah would very likely do it if it included two of our three best 2029 picks both unprotected and our own 2031 pick unprotected or such. But thats a huge risk from the Blazers end. Then we'd also have to give up more picks for Ingram.

It wouldn't even be a HCA team we'd have built yet we'd have mortgaged a decade of our future and very likely multiple lottery picks of which multiple ones could be top4. We'd basically be the Nets end of the Tatum and Brown trade.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So net for picks is we add 5 and lose 14.

Indy really likes Nesmith, not sure they'd even want to swap him for Grant straight up. From our end I'd rather get a young player or picks than Nesmith. We can target a better haul for Grant or if not available just keep him to the deadline.

If we really like two players I can see using 5 and 7. But you have to think of those as being worth 15+17 in a normal draft. Useful but not great picks. I'd prefer trying to flip either 5 or 7 to a team for a distant unprotected pick such as 2031 with Miami, NY, Minnesota, etc.

No idea how Indy feels about anyone on their roster--just trying to match salary and figured Indy would see value in the Walker for Grant swap, but it's moot if they can't afford it.