Angry Oregon separatists are looking for a way to become part of Idaho

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Hoopguru said:
Why not just give them more freedom from the metropolitan way and allow them to couple up with regions more like each other.
Western Oregon doesn't need the eastern regions to prosper.
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They have the freedom to do exactly that. Just move.
 
twobullz said:
So Boise should be part of Oregon and Eastern Oregon should be part of Montana. Consolidate all the Metro areas in the Country into one state and all rural into another and just have two states? Or just need to rearrange a lot of blue states to give more congressional districts to red states?
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Nothing to do with districts more commonality of regions and commerce & demographics.
 
Hoopguru said:
Why so? what is it you like about that area? Hundting/Fishing/Ranching/Farming/politics? or just the scenery?
Ive spent time in many Stats and Cities and I can tell you Spokane, Tri Cites, The Dalles, Pendleton, Baker, McCall, Boise/Pocatello, Missoula, Helena, Bozeman & Whitefish have a lot more in common with each other than Seattle, Bellevue, Tacoma, Olympia, Vancouver, Portland, Salem, & Eugene.
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Because they need a metro area to help support those areas. Without metro areas to support them they'll turn into wastelands.
 
Hoopguru said:
Oh I know, just thinking out of the box for fun. If prices get much higher here more will be moving that direction.
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Yep. I may be one of them. Rent on my house will pay a nice mortgage over there once my kids are out of high school.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Wait, what? lol
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I decided to strip it down to the simple logic of making choices that fit your lifestyle....you and I are good examples of that...I moved to Oregon just like you did. Angry separatists should just angrily separate themselves...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yep. I may be one of them. Rent on my house will pay a nice mortgage over there once my kids are out of high school.
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With the country so divided more than ever it seems I do think people will move for different reasons than maybe in the past. Cost of housing and politics could be two reasons.
 
riverman said:
I decided to strip it down to the simple logic of making choices that fit your lifestyle....you and I are good examples of that...I moved to Oregon just like you did. Angry separatists should just angrily separate themselves...
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i was born in the mountains with no doctor, as my parents lived off the land in the hills outside of Alsea.
I've gone and camped there a few times. Beautiful area.

Though i was taken aback by something else. Lol.
 
Hoopguru said:
With the country so divided more than ever it seems I do think people will move for different reasons than maybe in the past. Cost of housing and politics could be two reasons.
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Moving makes more sense than seceding to a different state whose politics you like more, IMO. And as many have said, this is a similar divide over a lot of the country. Not in the wanting to merge states way, but in a red blue urban rural divide.
 
Hoopguru said:
With the country so divided more than ever it seems I do think people will move for different reasons than maybe in the past. Cost of housing and politics could be two reasons.
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I just don't see everything sustaining.

big picture:
In the midst of a big inflation jump and the demand for much higher wages, its only going to aid in large corp swallowing up the ma and pas.
Im not sure how anyone can view the path we are on and the things we've been doing, as prudent for an improved future.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I just don't see everything sustaining.

big picture:
In the midst of a big inflation jump and the demand for much higher wages, its only going to aid in large corp swallowing up the ma and pas.
Im not sure how anyone can view the path we are on and the things we've been doing, as prudent for an improved future.
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I work for a Ma and Pa. We pay well. Solid benefits. 401k matching.

We have incredibly low turnover. Payout bonuses nearly every year, including during recessions. Last year, long term employees got a 15% bonus (15% of our annual salary, which was a record).

Ma's and Pa's paid well 75-50 years ago. We as a country have more wealth now than we ever have. More than any country ever has.

Ma's and Pa's who are run well will do just fine paying good salaries.

The ones who aren't run well will fold. And good riddance to that. Makes room for better companies to treat those employees right.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I work for a Ma and Pa. We pay well. Solid benefits. 401k matching.

We have incredibly low turnover. Payout bonuses nearly every year, including during recessions. Last year, long term employees got a 15% bonus (15% of our annual salary, which was a record).

Ma's and Pa's paid well 75-50 years ago. We as a country have more wealth now than we ever have. More than any country ever has.

Ma's and Pa's who are run well will do just fine paying good salaries.

The ones who aren't run well will fold. And good riddance to that. Makes room for better companies to treat those employees right.
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ok…
 
twobullz said:
So do away with Idaho and eastern washing and oregon and just make one big state? What benefit does that have to washington? Oregon? If people don't like they state they live in they are free to move, but a large majority of the people east of the cascades have ZERO interest in this.
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The entire premise is they like where they live and don’t want to leave, but are not being represented relatively. Laws written for metros don’t translate well in rural areas, and vice versa. It’s really not an identity politics issue as much as people are making it out to be. There are literal logistical issues that just don’t translate well. Eastern Oregon doesn’t need strict gun legislation any more than Portland needs agricultural or land management guidelines. People’s livelihoods get messed with when they are forced to abide by restrictions that are irrelevant to their lifestyle, whether you’re in a city or rural.
 
jonnyboy said:
The entire premise is they like where they live and don’t want to leave, but are not being represented relatively. Laws written for metros don’t translate well in rural areas, and vice versa. It’s really not an identity politics issue as much as people are making it out to be. There are literal logistical issues that just don’t translate well. Eastern Oregon doesn’t need strict gun legislation any more than Portland needs agricultural or land management guidelines. People’s livelihoods get messed with when they are forced to abide by restrictions that are irrelevant to their lifestyle, whether you’re in a city or rural.
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The thing is there are a lot more people in Central and Eastern Oregon who don't want this, and the response from the people pushing it is then Move. They don't want to move but want to push their beliefs on those of us who are here. Multiple generation Oregonians who have no interest in Idaho, because Idaho doesn't represent them, it goes both ways.
 
jonnyboy said:
The entire premise is they like where they live and don’t want to leave, but are not being represented relatively. Laws written for metros don’t translate well in rural areas, and vice versa. It’s really not an identity politics issue as much as people are making it out to be. There are literal logistical issues that just don’t translate well. Eastern Oregon doesn’t need strict gun legislation any more than Portland needs agricultural or land management guidelines. People’s livelihoods get messed with when they are forced to abide by restrictions that are irrelevant to their lifestyle, whether you’re in a city or rural.
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I don't think the issue with agricultural or land management guidelines in Eastern Oregon is that the guidelines were designed for the metro area. The issue is that people in EO don't want any guidelines period.

When your 'lifestyle' is dependent upon exploiting the land, especially public land, guidelines are indeed a real nuisance.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I don't think the issue with agricultural or land management guidelines in Eastern Oregon is that the guidelines were designed for the metro area. The issue is that people in EO don't want any guidelines period.

When your 'lifestyle' is dependent upon exploiting the land, especially public land, guidelines are indeed a real nuisance.

barfo
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and you call yourself a fucking pirate?
 
Many have farms And ranches which can't really be moved. I think they should be able to break off and join Idaho. Many here have shown a hatred for them yet want to keep them captive?
 
beast crnjo said:
Many have farms And ranches which can't really be moved. I think they should be able to break off and join Idaho. Many here have shown a hatred for them yet want to keep them captive?
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I have no problem with the land. In fact, I quite enjoy the land.

I have a problem with ignorant idiots like the people who want to change the state rather than just moving their own selfish asses.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I have no problem with the land. In fact, I quite enjoy the land.

I have a problem with ignorant idiots like the people who want to change the state rather than just moving their own selfish asses.
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okay. Selfish asses. You don't live there, but you want to dictate the land they live on because… you like it being part of Oregon? And they are the selfish asses???

as said, ranches aren’t easy to just “move”….
 
I'm from the farm lands of Iowa and if you think farmers don't sell out and move to warm climates you're wrong.....and most farmers I know there don't give two shits about politics...they just want it to rain and the cattle to stay healthy..they are from this place called America no matter where they move to.....moving the border of a state doesn't make any sense at all no matter who they vote for or what vaccine they refuse..love it or leave it...Oregon isn't getting divorced from it's natural forest lands just because of some Burns occupation idiots.
 
There are ranches in Idaho as well. If someone wants to be a rancher and live in Idaho, they can do that by selling one farm and buying another.

People want their cake (Idaho) while eating it (keeping their Oregon residence).
 
andalusian said:
There are ranches in Idaho as well. If someone wants to be a rancher and live in Idaho, they can do that by selling one farm and buying another.

People want their cake (Idaho) while eating it (keeping their Oregon residence).
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They also don't mind getting more assistance from the state than their county gives out.
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay. Selfish asses. You don't live there, but you want to dictate the land they live on because… you like it being part of Oregon? And they are the selfish asses???

as said, ranches aren’t easy to just “move”….
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I live over here and have no interest in being part of Idaho. There are a lot more people who don’t want this then do. Since we don’t own ranches do we not count?
 
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