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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I'm only for stopping illegal immigrants from working here and sending their money home. It takes from America twice. Lose the job and the money. There are programs to hire people to do jobs we won't.
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So the legal immigrants don't send money home?

barfo
 
Caravan organizer Pueblo Sin Fronteras blasted by migrants over risky journey

By Nicole Darrah | Fox News
Pueblo Sin Fronteras, a group of activists escorting the migrant caravan of thousands of Central Americans traveling to the U.S., is being blamed by many — including the migrants themselves — for encouraging such a risky trek.

The group, which is comprised of about 40 U.S. and Mexican activists, gave the caravan an option in October. The migrants were asked whether they wanted to continue to the U.S. southern border or stop in Mexico, where the government offered to let them stay.

Pueblo Sin Fronteras, or People Without Borders, warned the migrants the offer might be too good to be true and called on a voice vote — to which the crowd yelled to keep moving toward the U.S.

Since then, former allies and some migrants have said the group downplayed the risks involved, particularly for those with families and small children.

The organizers also were accused of misleading caravan migrants about how long they would have to wait on the Mexican side of the border to apply for asylum.

Adelaida Gonzalez, a member of the migrant caravan who traveled with her son and neighbor from Guatemala City, said she wished she’d accepted Mexico’s offer to stay and work in the southern state of Chiapas.

"We were never told along the way that it would be this hard," Gonzalez, 37, said after she saw the border wall topped with razor wire and the long waiting list for asylum seekers.

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MIGRANT CARAVAN TEENS FOUND STABBED TO DEATH IN TIJUANA

This is the fourth and biggest caravan of Central American asylum seekers that Pueblo Sin Fronteras has helped reach Tijuana. When the caravan crossed into Mexico, it numbered 7,000; about 5,500 made it to Tijuana.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
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MARIS61 said:
Caravan organizer Pueblo Sin Fronteras blasted by migrants over risky journey

By Nicole Darrah | Fox News
Pueblo Sin Fronteras, a group of activists escorting the migrant caravan of thousands of Central Americans traveling to the U.S., is being blamed by many — including the migrants themselves — for encouraging such a risky trek.

The group, which is comprised of about 40 U.S. and Mexican activists, gave the caravan an option in October. The migrants were asked whether they wanted to continue to the U.S. southern border or stop in Mexico, where the government offered to let them stay.

Pueblo Sin Fronteras, or People Without Borders, warned the migrants the offer might be too good to be true and called on a voice vote — to which the crowd yelled to keep moving toward the U.S.

Since then, former allies and some migrants have said the group downplayed the risks involved, particularly for those with families and small children.

The organizers also were accused of misleading caravan migrants about how long they would have to wait on the Mexican side of the border to apply for asylum.

Adelaida Gonzalez, a member of the migrant caravan who traveled with her son and neighbor from Guatemala City, said she wished she’d accepted Mexico’s offer to stay and work in the southern state of Chiapas.

"We were never told along the way that it would be this hard," Gonzalez, 37, said after she saw the border wall topped with razor wire and the long waiting list for asylum seekers.

Video

MIGRANT CARAVAN TEENS FOUND STABBED TO DEATH IN TIJUANA

This is the fourth and biggest caravan of Central American asylum seekers that Pueblo Sin Fronteras has helped reach Tijuana. When the caravan crossed into Mexico, it numbered 7,000; about 5,500 made it to Tijuana.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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You are looking at terrorists from ISIS, murderers, rapists of white women and ebola, typhoid fever, yellow fever, VD disease, flea bitten, generally disease ridden vermin.
 
CupWizier said:
ok, so what was your point then? Apparently it doesn't matter if one is legal or illegal and really pointless if you have no numbers to show.
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What difference do numbers make? Since when do we require people to spend their money, legally earned, in a specified way other than the legal way they want?
 
Lanny said:
What difference do numbers make? Since when do we require people to spend their money, legally earned, in a specified way other than the legal way they want?
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There we go!!!!!

Legally earned is the important part.

Leftists have this amazing ability to turn anything negative illegals do into a "but Americans do it too"

Now we have "legals immigrants do it too"


I'd say we as a society wouldn't want legal immigrants that make sending money to their home countries the NUMBER ONE source of income for that country. Edit...or a 5th of their GDP...it is in the link @lawai'a provided

How would that benefit us at all?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
There we go!!!!!

Legally earned is the important part.

Leftists have this amazing ability to turn anything negative illegals do into a "but Americans do it too"

Now we have "legals immigrants do it too"
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Seems to me you brought it up.

"I don't like it when illegal immigrants fart"

"But everybody farts"

"But I don't like illegal immigrant's farts"

barfo
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
There we go!!!!!

Legally earned is the important part.

Leftists have this amazing ability to turn anything negative illegals do into a "but Americans do it too"

Now we have "legals immigrants do it too"


I'd say we as a society wouldn't want legal immigrants that make sending money to their home countries the NUMBER ONE source of income for that country. Edit...or a 5th of their GDP...it is in the link @lawai'a provided

How would that benefit us at all?
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it doesn't when it becomes another huge incentive to migrate. unless you are an entity that benefits from the depressed wages as a result, and can boost profits or grab a larger market share.
 
barfo said:
Seems to me you brought it up.

"I don't like it when illegal immigrants fart"

"But everybody farts"

"But I don't like illegal immigrant's farts"

barfo
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Is this a game where you try to make a point about something using the word fart?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
There we go!!!!!

Legally earned is the important part.

Leftists have this amazing ability to turn anything negative illegals do into a "but Americans do it too"

Now we have "legals immigrants do it too"


I'd say we as a society wouldn't want legal immigrants that make sending money to their home countries the NUMBER ONE source of income for that country. Edit...or a 5th of their GDP...it is in the link @lawai'a provided

How would that benefit us at all?
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Please don't lump me. Allow me to do that. In exchange I won't lump you.

I suspect there's no amount of my logic that will cause you to question your position let alone change it.
 
Lanny said:
Please don't lump me. Allow me to do that. In exchange I won't lump you.

I suspect there's no amount of my logic that will cause you to question your position let alone change it.
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How could there be anything than an either or in this?

Does a certain amount of illegal immigration sit right with you?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
How could there be anything than an either or in this?

Does a certain amount of illegal immigration sit right with you?
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Perhaps, not really sure. I think a certain amount of illegal activity in where a Black person could sit in a bus or protest in public or enter a White restaurant or drive after dark or rent a hotel room were some things I could have found all right. How about a 'colored' drinking out of a White drinking fountain or using a White restroom? This was once illegal.
 
Lanny said:
Perhaps, not really sure. I think a certain amount of illegal activity in where a Black person could sit in a bus or protest in public or enter a White restaurant or drive after dark or rent a hotel room were some things I could have found all right. How about a 'colored' drinking out of a White drinking fountain or using a White restroom? This was once illegal.
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All of those things were moronic. That seems to be part of the problem. People using past sins to justify current positions.

Being a terrorist is "illegal"

Maybe we should just invite the hiding ISIS fighters here and let them be free in America. All they want is a better life.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
All of those things were moronic. That seems to be part of the problem. People using past sins to justify current positions.

Being a terrorist is "illegal"

Maybe we should just invite the hiding ISIS fighters here and let them be free in America. All they want is a better life.
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The past sins were once considered logical.
Maybe you should get a grip. Who said anyone wants ISIS in here and since when do Catholic Latin people convert to Sunni Islam?
Who on God's green Earth wants a terrorist of any stripe in here?

I just think we need to rethink this whole immigration issue. Now, someone in the Trump administration is lobbying for more Irish immigrants as if they are superior to others.

What do we do with the 13 Million undocumented Latins that are in here now? Build a wall to keep them in?

East Germany had a law making it illegal to leave the East to go to West Germany. Ronald Reagan told them to tear down that wall. Were the immigrants fleeing East Germany and East Berlin illegals?
 
Lanny said:
The past sins were once considered logical.
Maybe you should get a grip. Who said anyone wants ISIS in here and since when do Catholic Latin people convert to Sunni Islam?
Who on God's green Earth wants a terrorist of any stripe in here?

I just think we need to rethink this whole immigration issue. Now, someone in the Trump administration is lobbying for more Irish immigrants as if they are superior to others.

What do we do with the 13 Million undocumented Latins that are in here now? Build a wall to keep them in?

East Germany had a law making it illegal to leave the East to go to West Germany. Ronald Reagan told them to tear down that wall. Were the immigrants fleeing East Germany and East Berlin illegals?
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Have you seen the Irish people try food videos on YouTube?

I'd have no problem with them coming if more of the women are as cute as the ones in the videos
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Have you seen the Irish people try food videos on YouTube?

I'd have no problem with them coming if more of the women are as cute as the ones in the videos
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I'm part Irish. Part Scottish, American Indian and perhaps even some English, also. Got a Scottish last name.
The people I admire the most? You ask. The Germans, after WWII, of course. They are hard working and very technically minded, just like me. Can't stand most of their food though. I do like sauer kraut and beer sausage with beer. I also like gemütlichkeit.
 
Lanny said:
The past sins were once considered logical.
Maybe you should get a grip. Who said anyone wants ISIS in here and since when do Catholic Latin people convert to Sunni Islam?
Who on God's green Earth wants a terrorist of any stripe in here?

I just think we need to rethink this whole immigration issue. Now, someone in the Trump administration is lobbying for more Irish immigrants as if they are superior to others.

What do we do with the 13 Million undocumented Latins that are in here now? Build a wall to keep them in?

East Germany had a law making it illegal to leave the East to go to West Germany. Ronald Reagan told them to tear down that wall. Were the immigrants fleeing East Germany and East Berlin illegals?
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Lanny said:
I just think we need to rethink this whole immigration issue
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Lanny said:
What do we do with the 13 Million undocumented Latins that are in here now?
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what are your suggestions, as i agree wholeheartedly with you on the importance of the solution to the second quote and the need to reshape the entire process to address immigration?
 
lawai'a said:
what are your suggestions, as i agree wholeheartedly with you on the importance of the solution to the second quote and the need to reshape the entire process to address immigration?
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I don't have solutions to everything but I do have a few thoughts.
1. Renew DACA;
2. Provide a citizenship to undocumented immigrants who have been here for over a decade with no felony convictions who meet other criteria including paying a fee and learning some English, by the way, my wife had to, among other things, demonstrate a working knowledge of English to pass her citizenship test over 40 years ago;
3. Provide a faster avenue to citizenship by serving honorably in our armed forces;
4. Faster adjudication of immigrants who have entered undocumented to determine whether they meet legal obligations or are here illegally. We should adjudicate everyone seeking asylum in a timely manner.

Legally, we cannot limit the number of asylum seekers who enter here either at a check point or not at a check point. Therefor, making them wait adjudication in Mexico violates federal and international law. I expect the court to rule on this expeditiously.
 
Lanny said:
I don't have solutions to everything but I do have a few thoughts.
1. Renew DACA;
2. Provide a citizenship to undocumented immigrants who have been here for over a decade with no felony convictions who meet other criteria including paying a fee and learning some English, by the way, my wife had to, among other things, demonstrate a working knowledge of English to pass her citizenship test over 40 years ago;
3. Provide a faster avenue to citizenship by serving honorably in our armed forces;
4. Faster adjudication of immigrants who have entered undocumented to determine whether they meet legal obligations or are here illegally. We should adjudicate everyone seeking asylum in a timely manner.

Legally, we cannot limit the number of asylum seekers who enter here either at a check point or not at a check point. Therefor, making them wait adjudication in Mexico violates federal and international law. I expect the court to rule on this expeditiously.
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thank you for sharing your thoughts
 
provide "a" citezenship, or full citezenship? in other words are we going to create a separate class of citizenship without all the benefits of native born or those that went through the process legally?
voting rights immediately, or down the road?
eligibility for government assistance from day 1, or only after completion of citizenship process? or ever?
what about those that have been here less than the decade? what will be their status? what will be the end game for these individuals?
how about the families of those that would meet these minimal requirements and the chain migration process we have now? would it need modification/limitations?
 
lawai'a said:
provide "a" citezenship, or full citezenship? in other words are we going to create a separate class of citizenship without all the benefits of native born or those that went through the process legally?
voting rights immediately, or down the road?
eligibility for government assistance from day 1, or only after completion of citizenship process? or ever?
what about those that have been here less than the decade? what will be their status? what will be the end game for these individuals?
how about the families of those that would meet these minimal requirements and the chain migration process we have now? would it need modification/limitations?
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My opinion is either you have full citizenship or you have a green card or you have DACA status then you can get government assistance. Anything short of that must be in the adjudication process or having been through that processed and rejected, expelled. Being in the adjudication process would not grant any government assistance.
Voting rights only come with full citizenship.
Those who are here for less than a decade would depend on their age and criminal record in determining whether they would qualify for a sort of limbo DACA.
All non citizens without a green card must be adjudicated legally.
 
The police officer shot and killed in California was shot by an illegal.
We need border reform.
 
Hoopguru said:
The police officer shot and killed in California was shot by an illegal.
We need border reform.
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The wall is dead and nobody has ever said that I have read that we don't need border security. Even if a wall was built it still wouldn't keep immigrants from gaining entry. It has also been shown that 90% of the illegal drugs come through the port of entry. The wall won't stop that either. I don't see any scenario where trump gets his vanity "boarder" wall and he lied during his campaign by saying Mexico will pay for it. Trump also blew it when about a year ago he had a package delivered to him for 20 billion for his wall and agreed he would sign it only to do an about face the next day and refused it. Time to move on from the wall and get this government back open as trump needs to stop trying to play bully and own up to it like he said he would on national TV.
 
CupWizier said:
The wall is dead and nobody has ever said that I have read that we don't need border security. Even if a wall was built it still wouldn't keep immigrants from gaining entry. It has also been shown that 90% of the illegal drugs come through the port of entry. The wall won't stop that either. I don't see any scenario where trump gets his vanity "boarder" wall and he lied during his campaign by saying Mexico will pay for it. Trump also blew it when about a year ago he had a package delivered to him for 20 billion for his wall and agreed he would sign it only to do an about face the next day and refused it. Time to move on from the wall and get this government back open as trump needs to stop trying to play bully and own up to it like he said he would on national TV.
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I'm not in favor of a wall, I'm in favor of improving border security and for two long a number of administrations have also agreed, but politics always prevents anything from happening, it seems.
If there is no compromise on both sides, then nothing gets done.
If Im Trump, do away with the wall and address chain migration, better over immigration policy with bi partisan support. And agree to the daca deal for the 1.8 million.
Just a thought...
 
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