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blazerkor said:
His per 100 don't translate because he played almost all of those minutes against scrubs. And I just looked at his per 100s before this season and they were shit. They were shit for this season until the new year. I mean we are talking about a less than Linsanity sample size at a different position than we're signing him to play.
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The difference is that the people who signed off on Ant know what he brings and value him....I was never real high on him even last season but have to go with the folks who have been around him his whole career and see his "latest" level of play...not his garbage time minutes but when he actually ran the point and ran the offense ..he was impressive. It's all good. Our coaching staff seems to have a different idea of value than a lot of fans do concerning him.
 
RR7 said:
That's not how contract evaluation works. but keep banging that rum. Powell was overpaid for who he was.
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I said that we paid Ant more than Powell because of potential. That is generally how contracts work.

Explain to me why this is a good deal and Powell was a trash deal.
 
riverman said:
The difference is that the people who signed off on Ant know what he brings and value him....I was never real high on him even last season but have to go with the folks who have been around him his whole career and see his "latest" level of play...not his garbage time minutes but when he actually ran the point and ran the offense ..he was impressive. It's all good. Our coaching staff seems to have a different idea of value than a lot of fans do concerning him.
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We're here again. Remember when Neil and Terry were your experts. Do you remember that? Just because our front office does something does not make it a good thing. Why on earth would that be your only measuring stick?
 
I'm disappointed in Ant's contract, although I haven't seen how much of it is incentive based. I was hoping for 20M/year rather than 25M. But I guess 5M more is only about 4% of the cap, and maybe the good will of him buying in will make it worthwhile

I still think it was too small a sample size of good production, on a bad team, to warrant that kind of deal. I'm also convinced that no other team would have offered him nearly that much

here's hoping he can take it up another notch and sustain it when playing alongside Dame. I certainly noticed that Ant's shine dulled quite a bit once CJ came back and started dominating usage. Dame is different than CJ and will certainly work to get Ant in the flow, so maybe it won't be the same
 
I'll gladly eat crow. I hope Ant is an allstar. I'm happy for Ant. We just did something that we've done many times before that did not turn out well for us. That's all.
 
illmatic99 said:
A starting salary of ~22 mil puts him around 55-60th in the league. He'll perform to that level next season
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I mean... 55th-60th being the worst starter starter on the 11th or 12th best team in the league, which...
*gestures vaguely at the Portland Trail Blazers* ...sounds like a bargain actually.
 
blazerkor said:
I'll gladly eat crow. I hope Ant is an allstar. I'm happy for Ant. We just did something that we've done many times before that did not turn out well for us. That's all.
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not that this should be the standard by which we live by, but I feel far better about this than Crabbe’s deal….
 
blazerkor said:
We're here again. Remember when Neil and Terry were your experts. Do you remember that? Just because our front office does something does not make it a good thing. Why on earth would that be your only measuring stick?
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What does "we're here again " even mean? who said it's my only measuring stick?....I'm as far from an armchair GM as this forum has.....Neil was never my expert...I didn't think much about him period but I like Terry, still do. That has nothing to do with how I feel about Schimtz Cronin Billups and crew. I have said all season I like the front office change. I try not to get hung up second guessing those guys and definitely don't look to this forum for reasons to doubt moves. Doesn't interest me. I like our new chapter so far...I'm going to enjoy watching it unfold. Hanging on to past moves that failed isn't an interesting gauge for what we're doing right now.
 
blazerkor said:
His per 100 don't translate because he played almost all of those minutes against scrubs. And I just looked at his per 100s before this season and they were shit. They were shit for this season until the new year. I mean we are talking about a less than Linsanity sample size at a different position than we're signing him to play.
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For his career
 
It’s stunning to me. $100M for Simons. This feels very 2016-ish to me. Cap raised and wheeeeeee everyone gets paid.
 
James lamphear said:
Well doesn't take fact that we still over paid. If you like the deal that's your opinion on it. But hopefully he show more then shooting this year because he's behind in other category.
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Just as you think we overpaid is your opinion on it.
 
Mediocre Man said:
For his career
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Yeah they're nowhere close to good enough to justify this number. Per 36 minutes shows you what a game looks like... look at everyone's per 100 possessions, it inflates everyone's numbers because no one gets 100 possessions a game. You need to look at the Per 100s for other players that make 20M and more... if it's not a horrendous deal, they have better numbers than Ant.
 
TBpup said:
$65M, OVER HALF OF THE CAP....for a smallish, no-D backcourt. This is way too much like Dame/CJ 2.0. Hope it works out better than it did in the previous 8 seasons.
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So what do you do? Let him walk and get nothing in return for 4 years of player development?

It's either pay him the market rate or lose him.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
The issue is Portland didn't let the market decide the rate for his services...
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This. Only the Pistons and Magic had the cap space to offer Ant what he got.....and neither of them was going to do that based on some thing people said that I talked to.
 
Stevenson said:
So what do you do? Let him walk and get nothing in return for 4 years of player development?

It's either pay him the market rate or lose him.
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I just make him get an offer sheet that I can match, so we don't continue a precedent of bidding against ourselves. It's not complicated. Nurk might be complicated but Ant wasn't. If he wanted a big payday we tell him we'll match anything he gets, just go get it. That's due diligence with a RFA.
 
TBpup said:
This. Only the Pistons and Magic had the cap space to offer Ant what he got.....and neither of them was going to do that based on some thing people said that I talked to.
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Are you hearing anything about potential FA signings?
 
You know what, if we get another starting piece (obviously a forward) in a trade, I don't really give a fuck I guess. Overpay everyone but if we're going to do that Joe better be damn sure that we're competing for championships not play-in games.
 
TBpup said:
This. Only the Pistons and Magic had the cap space to offer Ant what he got.....and neither of them was going to do that based on some thing people said that I talked to.
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No.

It's not just that. 4/100 is essentially what players of his age, ability, and stats get. We all know that.

So the solution is to lowball him and piss him off? Not a good strategy. Not good management. Not good for chemistry, the locker room, the culture.
 
Stevenson said:
No.

It's not just that. 4/100 is essentially what players of his age, ability, and stats get. We all know that.

So the solution is to lowball him and piss him off? Not a good strategy. Not good management. Not good for chemistry, the locker room, the culture.
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1+ month of good numbers at a position that he won't play. That is my issue. Fair?
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
not that this should be the standard by which we live by, but I feel far better about this than Crabbe’s deal….
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I was just comparing this to the crabbe deal in my head and agree. Ant can handle the ball. Crabbe couldn't. Ant is also lankier and I think can become a better defender with some emphasis/focus on that end of the floor.
 
Stevenson said:
No.

It's not just that. 4/100 is essentially what players of his age, ability, and stats get. We all know that.

So the solution is to lowball him and piss him off? Not a good strategy. Not good management. Not good for chemistry, the locker room, the culture.
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You don't even lowball him, he started for like 4 months, sucked for two of them and dominated for two of them last season. So you tell him that you can give him 18-20M a year and if that doesn't sound good to him, that's fine... we will not let you go but we need you to go out there and get that offer sheet that has the extra money you feel you deserve. He's a restricted free agent, that's not an insult it's good business. What we've done with CJ, Meyers and now Ant is bad business.
 
blazerkor said:
You don't even lowball him, he started for like 4 months, sucked for two of them and dominated for two of them last season. So you tell him that you can give him 18-20M a year and if that doesn't sound good to him, that's fine... we will not let you go but we need you to go out there and get that offer sheet that has the extra money you feel you deserve. He's a restricted free agent, that's not an insult it's good business. What we've done with CJ, Meyers and now Ant is bad business.
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Sucked for 2 of them?

He had 5 total games where he scored under 17 points.
 
Some of the money being spent out there is crazy numbers Not sure what other option there was. there are some desperate teams out there looking for good young players
 
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