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Hobbesarable said:
Not to put words in his mouth, but he might be saying it's Bullshit that the Lakers get what they want and screw the Pelicans at the same time. And possibly having the chance to sign Kawhi.
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Yeah Sorry didnt read that correctly.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Cant believe New Orleans ended up basically just giving AD away, to get so little, to not give up Hill in it, Griffin should be fired like a month or two into his tenure...
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This is the same guy who gave like a billion dollars to JR Smith, Shumpert and Tristan Kardashian.
Forum members, please forgive me for saying Griffin isn't stupid. :craphead:
 
Dom McBlazer said:
No way in hell do I think Kawhi goes to LAL. To the Clippers is more understandable because he's not all about the glamour as suggestively reported before. The bigger question is: will he even leave TOR? I don't think so but I sure as hell hope not.
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I think he's Raptors or Clippers. Nothing I've read. Just mirroring what you said about personality. I think he knows fit. And I think that's where he fits best.
 
As I imagined this thing about acquiring an allstar level player was just BS to raise the offer. The Lakers gave out a million draft picks and a team like the Pelicans that cannot make playoffs even with AD should prioritize picks and young players over the CJs of this world. They also built the perfect tank with 0 spacing around Zion. No1 pick 2020 here they come.
 
EGame said:
NBA: Where dreams are made to die unless youre a big market team.
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It's not even big markets anymore, no one gives a crap about New York for years now.

It's all about Texas, California and Florida.
All the rest need to be extremely lucky in the draft, try to abuse the draft like Hinkie, make extreme gambles in the trade market and avoid being held hostage by the Khris Middletons of the world.
 
Listening to ESPN this morning makes me want to rip my ears off.

Of course, they are saying how great the Lakers are again. It's a big-market, high-profile franchise, and, presuming both stars stay healthy, they'll be a contender in a wide-open West. Fair. Not a given. But fair.

But now they are saying the return on this trade puts the Pelicans right back into the playoff hunt, too. It could, but ... huh? They traded for two guys who didn't live up to their draft status and a bench player from a team that missed the playoffs despite having one of the greatest players in the history of the league. And they missed the playoffs themselves. They really think Zion is going to be so special that he can turn them into a playoff team? What the heck?

The other thing they are saying is what the Pelicans can get back if they can flip that fourth pick. The problem with that is the Pels supposedly want a veteran, and I don't see any really good vets who are getting moved for the fourth pick in a draft that has two exceptional talents and about 40 guys who really aren't a lot different from each other. Some team would have to be really desperate or foolish, IMO, to trade a near all-star caliber player for that fourth pick.
 
PCmor7 said:
The other thing they are saying is what the Pelicans can get back if they can flip that fourth pick. The problem with that is the Pels supposedly want a veteran, and I don't see any really good vets who are getting moved for the fourth pick in a draft that has two exceptional talents and about 40 guys who really aren't a lot different from each other. Some team would have to be really desperate or foolish, IMO, to trade a near all-star caliber player for that fourth pick.
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I’d think long and hard about Jrue+4(Hunter) for CJ, I think it’d make sense for both teams.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I’d think long and hard about Jrue+4(Hunter) for CJ, I think it’d make sense for both teams.
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I would do that deal, but I am taking Culver instead of Hunter. I think Culver is the surest thing to a star in this draft after Zion and Ja. He's a two-way dominating 3, a skinnier Kawhi if he pans out.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I’d think long and hard about Jrue+4(Hunter) for CJ, I think it’d make sense for both teams.
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Why CJ is good, its clear the pelicans plan is to suck and keep getting high picks, if they trade Jrue itll be for more picks.
 
PCmor7 said:
I would do that deal, but I am taking Culver instead of Hunter. I think Culver is the surest thing to a star in this draft after Zion and Ja. He's a two-way dominating 3, a skinnier Kawhi if he pans out.
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I think Culver has Ben McLemore bust potential. He’s definitely a 2 not a 3.

Hunter on the other hand is arguably the best two way player in the draft and doesn’t have any huge flaw in his game, I think he has Kawhi potential.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I think Culver has Ben McLemore bust potential. He’s definitely a 2 not a 3.

Hunter on the other hand is arguably the best two way player in the draft and doesn’t have any huge flaw in his game, I think he has Kawhi potential.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I don't think Hunter is a good enough athlete and I just don't see him as a closer. I think Culver's already as good as him, a better defender and with much upside Hunter no longer has. But it's subjective.
 
And McLemore can only dream of being the defensive player or mid-range offensive threat Culver already is.
 
I would take jrue for future picks and expiring contracts in a heartbeat. Dude is a lockdown defender and a 20ppg scorer, we saw it first hand how good he is, maybe the most underrated player in the NBA. And he has a longterm contract. I dont know what the pelicans would want from him though
 
PCmor7 said:
We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I don't think Hunter is a good enough athlete and I just don't see him as a closer. I think Culver's already as good as him, a better defender and with much upside Hunter no longer has. But it's subjective.
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Hunter fits the roster like a glove imo. He doesn’t need to come in and be the man/closer. He can come in and focus on being the best 3&D man in the nba. He has the size and strength to guard 1-4, and he can work with Dame on handling the ball over the years. I see Kawhi because Kawhi was put in a similar situation in SA. Learn under great players.

Not saying Culver cant be a great player, I just think getting a true forward would be more valuable to our team in a hypothetical situation where we’d have Dame/Jrue/Simons.
 
Blazers Roy said:
It's not even big markets anymore, no one gives a crap about New York for years now.

It's all about Texas, California and Florida.
All the rest need to be extremely lucky in the draft, try to abuse the draft like Hinkie, make extreme gambles in the trade market and avoid being held hostage by the Khris Middletons of the world.
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You can throw Chicago in there too. Unless you can play with MJ why would you want to live there in the winter?

Which btw is why in the fake mock trade thread I traded for AD as the GM of the Suns. They were once a FA destination as well. In theory with the right coach and management , they should be able t keep their players. Just throwing that out there for you soon to be Fake Agents who will be deciding the fate of your clients in a couple weeks.
 
PCmor7 said:
And McLemore can only dream of being the defensive player or mid-range offensive threat Culver already is.
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McLemore was a HUGE prospect coming out of Kansas though. Dude was getting comp’d to Ray Allen and Mitch Richmond.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Hunter fits the roster like a glove imo. He doesn’t need to come in and be the man/closer. He can come in and focus on being the best 3&D man in the nba. He has the size and strength to guard 1-4, and he can work with Dame on handling the ball over the years. I see Kawhi because Kawhi was put in a similar situation in SA. Learn under great players.

Not saying Culver cant be a great player, I just think getting a true forward would be more valuable to our team in a hypothetical situation where we’d have Dame/Jrue/Simons.
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I don't think Hunter's quick enough to guard the 1 or 2, though. And he'll get overpowered by 4s that play in the paint, IMO.

Again, it's a difference in opinion. I think Culver provides everything you say Hunter provides but has more upside.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
McLemore was a HUGE prospect coming out of Kansas though. Dude was getting comp’d to Ray Allen and Mitch Richmond.
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He was, and I bought into the hype (although not to the level of those players).

But, again, McLemore's by-far chief asset was as a distance shooter. If that doesn't work (and it didn't), nothing else in his game was good enough to cover for that. Funny aside, but I wonder if he's a guy that could be a value FA for the Blazers, another reclamation project who could resuscitate his career here.

Getting back to Culver, though, Culver's calling card is defense and being able to create inside the arc while having a solid 3-point stroke. He's built like McLemore, but he has a lot more ways he can contribute.
 
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