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[Chris Craig]

I kinda do blame her. She buys it to have 2 pieces out of a bag of 100. Who does she think is gonna eat the other 98?

So @The Professional Fan was saying something factual and not just an opinion. You were against me being a mod from the beginning. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[Chris Craig]

I posted a screen shot showing you I didn't. If the choice was mod in the main forum and not the OT forum I would have voted yes.

There are many reasons but this post where you accuse @MarAzul of being a racist is the number one.

Fair enough

Marzy used racist language, I called him out on it. I will not apologize for that. I will call it out again.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Fair enough

Marzy used racist language, I called him out on it. I will not apologize for that. I will call it out again.

Call out dviss for it ever? I'll apologize give if proven wrong.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

So @The Professional Fan was saying something factual and not just an opinion. You were against me being a mod from the beginning. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

That you missed it when I posted my vote earlier and didn't catch that my meme was for the "he's one of the most level headed" part makes me wonder how much of the actual posts you are reading?

Kinda skimming them like grading papers?

 

[The Professional Fan]

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Love that movie

 

[The Professional Fan]

Come on Chris. This isn't Trump's fault. We were divided, even on this forum, long before he came into office.

And let's remember that 95% of this forum aren't exactly Trump supporters.....so you can't blame them either.

Christ....I just typed that, and then realized I'm getting suckered back into it.

Politics is poison.

Trump certainly has something to do with it. Prior to him I would just browse the OT political stuff and try my best to stay as an independent, taking on information from both sides and digesting accordingly.

That has all changed with Trump and I know I'm not alone. Those of you that had already picked a "side" prior to Trump may have been divided. Us independents were not. Now I am.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Trump certainly has something to do with it. Prior to him I would just browse the OT political stuff and try my best to stay as an independent, taking on information from both sides and digesting accordingly.

That has all changed with Trump and I know I'm not alone. Those of you that had already picked a "side" prior to Trump may have been divided. Us independents were not. Now I am.

And when I say "browse" I literally mean it. I almost NEVER participated. Just read what others say. Yeah that has changed quite a bit.

 

[Chris Craig]

Call out dviss for it ever? I'll apologize give if proven wrong.

He has said some questionable things in heated response to racist language levied against him in the OT, many times to bait him that I don't agree with. Contrary to your believe, I don't agree with everything he or anyone says. It sucks that he allows himself to get riled up by posters who whether out of bordem or hate, mess with him. I understand that he has experienced racism on levels we could never comprehend. He shouldn't battle racism with racism, but my understanding is that is coming from a place of anger, a taste of your own medicine type deal, not the best reaction, maybe rightfully so, as he is being targeted by several posters on here. I know Dviss outside the board. He is good man. He isn't racist. He will continue to call it out, hopefully with a better choice of language. I know I will keep calling it out too.

 

[Chris Craig]

That you missed it when I posted my vote earlier and didn't catch that my meme was for the "he's one of the most level headed" part makes me wonder how much of the actual posts you are reading?

Kinda skimming them like grading papers?

Deflecting again so you can further attack my character? Nice. I missed your vote recap, but I saw you used the meme from my signature, which I put there as a funny reminder to myself to try and not take things so seriously. A work in progress, but hey I am human. I read pretty much everything on the forum. And, I teach preschool, I don't grade papers. The joke is on you.

 

[Jade Falcon]

a taste of your own medicine type deal, maybe rightfully so, as he is being targeted by several posters on here.

But are they targeting him because of his RACE? Or are they targeting him in response to his outrageous emotional outbursts?

I love Dviss like a brother, because we've connected on this forum outside of political topics, such as in game threads and the like. I hope we meet one day in peace to watch a Blazer game and chat.

We'll likely never agree on much of anything....I don't appreciate some of the things he's said about the Flag, the police, guns/gun owners, and I also can't stop being White, and I'm not going to stop voting Republican, nor am I going to forfeit my views or opinions to appease anyone. BUT that doesn't mean I can't treat him with respect and listen, IF he chooses to talk about his grievances.

But....he is SO goddamn emotional on this forum!!! It turns a LOT of people off. The dude blows up over the tiniest things! And he DOES, at times, accuse people of being racist when they aren't, or he'll approach something from a racial standpoint to gain some sort of moral high ground when it's either not necessary or called for. And despite what you think, calling him out for that behavior is NOT racist.

From what I hear, he even got into a yelling argument with the referee this summer at the 3 on 3 game. For fuck's sake!

He's extremely emotional. To an extent, I can appreciate that. It certainly makes for a great sports fan, and I'd rather he was on our side than another team's fanbase. But dammit, he's very reactionary, and he needs to chill.

I will say this: in the 4 years I've been here, he HAS gotten better about it. At least, as far as I've noticed. Mind you, I don't frequent the OT much anymore. But he's still very emotional and reactionary at times, and it turns a lot of people sour, instead of wanting to get to know him or talk to him.

And I for one find that incredibly sad and frustrating.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

But where do we draw the line? It seems like anything can be turned political on this forum.

Let people post what they want.

Just without the insults and drama.

Personally I would like if you shared some of your gun collection in a thread.

 

[Chris Craig]

But are they targeting him because of his RACE? Or are they targeting him in response to his outrageous emotional outbursts?

I love Dviss like a brother, because we've connected on this forum outside of political topics, such as in game threads and the like. I hope we meet one day in peace to watch a Blazer game and chat.

We'll likely never agree on much of anything....I don't appreciate some of the things he's said about the Flag, the police, guns/gun owners, and I also can't stop being White, and I'm not going to stop voting Republican, nor am I going to forfeit my views or opinions to appease anyone. BUT that doesn't mean I can't treat him with respect and listen, IF he chooses to talk about his grievances.

But....he is SO goddamn emotional on this forum!!! It turns a LOT of people off. The dude blows up over the tiniest things! And he DOES, at times, accuse people of being racist when they aren't, or he'll approach something from a racial standpoint to gain some sort of moral high ground when it's either not necessary or called for. And despite what you think, calling him out for that behavior is NOT racist.

From what I hear, he even got into a yelling argument with the referee this summer at the 3 on 3 game. For fuck's sake!

He's extremely emotional. To an extent, I can appreciate that. It certainly makes for a great sports fan, and I'd rather he was on our side than another team's fanbase. But dammit, he's very reactionary, and he needs to chill.

I will say this: in the 4 years I've been here, he HAS gotten better about it. At least, as far as I've noticed. Mind you, I don't frequent the OT much anymore. But he's still very emotional and reactionary at times, and it turns a lot of people sour, instead of wanting to get to know him or talk to him.

And I for one find that incredibly sad and frustrating.

I have seen him targeted for both.

He has those outbursts because people are attacking him, saying some pretty terrible things to bait him. Maybe if certain posters found better things to do, then there would be less of his explosive outbursts.

I think he has gotten better to at handling his emotions. One thing I like about him though is that he speaks up.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Let people post what they want.

Just without the insults and drama.

Personally I would like if you shared some of your gun collection in a thread.

I appreciate that, but I'm usually too lazy to take pictures, and it's only, currently, 6 firearms, with nothing terribly impressive besides a lever-action .454 Casull, and maybe my WASR AK-47. My handguns are generic: a Glock and a Ruger revolver. And then there's a .22 Marlin (which is now an "Assault Rifle" thanks to I-1639...), and a 12 ga Winchester that I've never shot.

Not that impressive.

Now my buddy who gave me the .454 Casull Carbine had over 70 firearms in 3 safes. THAT was a nice collection!

I have seen him targeted for both.

He has those outbursts because people are attacking him, saying some pretty terrible things to bait him. Maybe if certain posters found better things to do, then there would be less of his explosive outbursts.

I think he has gotten better to at handling his emotions. One thing I like about him though is that he speaks up.

I don't mind if he speaks up, as long as it's factual. Approaching people as if they have a racial vendetta against him because they're white isn't factual, it's offensive. And grossly so.

 

[Jade Falcon]

However, yes, I agree with you that a few people bait him.

 

[Hobbesarable]

There's one maxim my father taught me that I think should share (at least here in the OT forum). And there are two ways of looking at it.

You respect others and others will show you respect.
You behave like an ass and you will be treated like an ass.

I laughed my ass off when he told me that, but it's pretty much true whether it's on the forum or face-to-face. How you treat others goes a long way when communicating with them.

 

[H.C.]

I get what you’re saying, and I may be one of those you cant see so who knows. However I kind of disagree. Sometimes you can address a post you might find crazy (or whatever) without thinking that the poster is altogether crazy. Use for example game threads, during a game people get emotional and I’ll use myself, sometimes I say dumb things or have stupid takes, if someone addresses that in the right manner I know they are talking about the post and its craziness, rather then saying that they believe Im a lunatic. Not sure if Im explaining that well.

Anyways, I get what you’re trying to convey and on some level I agree.

I just want to state this @TorturedBlazerFan if I call one of your posts crazy in the game thread. I'm most def calling you crazy.

 

[Lanny]

There's one maxim my father taught me that I think should share (at least here in the OT forum). And there are two ways of looking at it.

You respect others and others will show you respect.
You behave like an ass and you will be treated like an ass.

I laughed my ass off when he told me that, but it's pretty much true whether it's on the forum or face-to-face. How you treat others goes a long way when communicating with them.

Isn't that the Golden Rule?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

There's one maxim my father taught me that I think should share (at least here in the OT forum). And there are two ways of looking at it.

You respect others and others will show you respect.
You behave like an ass and you will be treated like an ass.

I laughed my ass off when he told me that, but it's pretty much true whether it's on the forum or face-to-face. How you treat others goes a long way when communicating with them.

True. And we all go low at times.

But why can't you either

A. Ignore it and move on with your life.

Or

B. Continue being a nice person and not allow yourself to falter.

I've been struggling with this thought lately. I have a daughter who has disabilities.

When people stare in public, and she is old enough to know what my actions mean, would me exploding on someone in front of her show her that behavior is ok? To be a dick back to people? Or is moving on with your life and trying not to let stupid people bother you the better course of action.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Isn't that the Golden Rule?

Yes, but he put it into perspective for a young, sarcastic, punk ass kid at the time and I appreciated that.

 

[Strenuus]

Trust me dude, this past spans over the last couple years. If you ever wanna see what he is about, visit this section when he goes off on tantrums and blames white people for all his problems while also implying everybody is racist because they don't share the same ideas as him. Oh yeah and if you are a gun owner, he apparently fears you and thinks you will commit an act of violence if you ever showed up to some forum meet up at an event., so much so, he wouldn't take his kid. He is crazy

Here's the thing, Cippy. It's something I think you're completely missing in this whole entire thing. And please, follow carefully.

What you just posted is blanket statements. "White people for all the problems" "Everybody is racist" "If you are a gun owner".

Our policy is that it has to be about the PERSON on the forum. If editing/deleting blanket statements were the case, I'd of deleted about 75% of Marazul's and Maris' posts. Making blanket statements doesn't have anything to do with a singular person on this board. It's an opinion they have on a category of people. If they talk about how they hate that person directly, theres the issue.

People have ripped into things I believe in and rights and all of that, but I keep them up because it's not about me personally, even if I personally believe it. It's their opinion. So if you're wanting a mod to delete things and create a place of suppression, then we're the wrong mods for you. Opinions and personal insults are completely different.

I personally don't care for blanket statements, as has been evidenced. That said, based on the rules of THIS FORUM (not societal understandings) its not a -personal- insult.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I just want to state this @TorturedBlazerFan if I call one of your posts crazy in the game thread. I'm most def calling you crazy.

Both are more than likely true.

 

[H.C.]

From what I hear, he even got into a yelling argument with the referee this summer at the 3 on 3 game. For fuck's sake!

I don't know whom you heard this from, but you should stop listening to them.

@dviss1 was defending me twice.
First time the ref got upset because I set the ball on the ground at the FT line and walked away after a poor call.
Threatened to call me for a tech. @dviss1 said 'stupid reason to T somebody up'.

Second time I took a blow to the eye/head(actually was diagnosed with a concussion a couple days later by my doctor) the ref decided to force me to shoot ft's.
@dviss1 was simply stating the ref wasn't applying concussion protocol correctly.
After the game was over, @dviss1 saw one of his fellow ref's and asked him about it. The ref said 'you guys should've asked for a mediator.'
At the end of the day @dviss1 was far from emotional during these exchanges with the refs.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I don't know whom you heard this from, but you should stop listening to them.

@dviss1 was defending me twice.
First time the ref got upset because I set the ball on the ground at the FT line and walked away after a poor call.
Threatened to call me for a tech. @dviss1 said 'stupid reason to T somebody up'.

Second time I took a blow to the eye/head(actually was diagnosed with a concussion a couple days later by my doctor) the ref decided to force me to shoot ft's.
@dviss1 was simply stating the ref wasn't applying concussion protocol correctly.
After the game was over, @dviss1 saw one of his fellow ref's and asked him about it. The ref said 'you guys should've asked for a mediator.'
At the end of the day @dviss1 was far from emotional during these exchanges with the refs.

Then I apologize. I thought I heard differently at the time; a statement to the effect of him blowing up at the ref, or yelling at him about something.

I was like "it's a 3 on 3 tournament for FUN. What the hell does he have to yell about?"

 

[SlyPokerDog]

True. And we all go low at times.

But why can't you either

A. Ignore it and move on with your life.

Or

B. Continue being a nice person and not allow yourself to falter.

I've been struggling with this thought lately. I have a daughter who has disabilities.

When people stare in public, and she is old enough to know what my actions mean, would me exploding on someone in front of her show her that behavior is ok? To be a dick back to people? Or is moving on with your life and trying not to let stupid people bother you the better course of action.

You're okay for a cat.

Fuck other people. If someone is being a dick it's perfectly fine for you to be a dick back. You need to smoother your daughter with love and support but it's also okay to show her that dad will always be there for her.

 

[Cippy91]

Dude, you had a bit of a meltdown yesterday.

You and I were having what I thought was a constructive conversation. I leave for a while and wow, you kinda of lost it.

Wasn’t a meltdown, I just said what I really think of him. Not gonna do it again on the forum but hey like I said I’m not gonna hide behind the gray area baiting tactics. I’m gonna say it how it is. Our conversation is fine. But yeah I had enough of him. Far too long I have just dealt with his shade throwing so I had some words of my own. Is what it is

 

[Cippy91]

Baited you?

Yes, and if you couldn’t see that then I don’t know what you see. Sly, it’s really not hard to see when somebody throws little jabs. Don’t act like that

 

[H.C.]

True. And we all go low at times.

But why can't you either

A. Ignore it and move on with your life.

Or

B. Continue being a nice person and not allow yourself to falter.

I've been struggling with this thought lately. I have a daughter who has disabilities.

When people stare in public, and she is old enough to know what my actions mean, would me exploding on someone in front of her show her that behavior is ok? To be a dick back to people? Or is moving on with your life and trying not to let stupid people bother you the better course of action.

As someone who works with children with disabilities I'd say it depends on the situation and your daughter.
There are kids I work with who witness certain behavior from their parents and emulate that behavior.
Their parents don't believe their child would do such a thing, but that's only because those parents are underestimating their child.(disability or not)

 

[dviss1]

I just read through this and decided to log on because I think what I have to say is important and hope some others do to.

@dviss1 You have been in my home, rode in my car and I consider you a friend. Friends can be honest correct? I hopes so because I aim to be honest with my friends.

I'm pretty put off by you on this forum lately. Why?

Because of statements like "yall white folk", and "all your folk" and the generalizing you keep implying.

I find these to be pretty racist comments. You may not, but then you state that some comments others make are racist and they don't think so. You cant have it both ways. If you want people to be more aware and sensitive to racial aimed statements, then you should lead by example.

You yourself argue and fight for equality and yet you use segregating comments quite often.

I'm telling you as a friend, it doesn't help your cause and frankly, makes people like me, who want to support your cause, not want to anymore.

Just because it isn't a forum rule being broke, doesn't mean that its just okay to say anything that isn't against the rules.

There is soo much hypocrisy in this forum in general, it has pushed me away for the most part. Not just by you, but by many.

I bring it up to you because I consider you a friend. I hope you read this as a positive and not a negative.

Please don't be offended but I'm gonna be frank...

Instead of telling me this, tell this to the RACISTS that actually called the police on the brown folk working on your home.

They're the problem... Not the one complaining about said racism.

But it's true, y'all need to get your racists. Y'ALL have to fix them. They don't listen to us.

Instead of calling that racist maybe the actual racists should experience detriment. Did you file a complaint in the people who called the police to your home for a false report?

Probably not...

All white people need to band together against the racists.

If you're not racist why does it make you upset? It doesn't apply to you

 

[Cippy91]

my only take on this is the blatant circumventing of the 'don't attack the poster, attack the post' as a way to ....attack the poster. Its like...who are we kidding? "Your post is an idiot" - seriously? Either let people attack posters if that makes them feel good about themselves, or eliminate it altogether. I cant count the amount of times I have had someone (the same person) 'attack my post' but make it clear you know, it just my post, not me. Right. It doesn't make a difference to me if its me or my post, the amount I care about some people in here is so low its not noticeable to the human eye.

Nailed it. This.

 

[Lanny]

Yes, but he put it into perspective for a young, sarcastic, punk ass kid at the time and I appreciated that.

Young, sarcastic, punk ass kid, eh. Are you talking about me again? I'll have you know, I was as stupid as anyone and I've got the ex wife to prove it.