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[Orion Bailey]

I agree with this as long as the children are taught objectively with perspectives from all sides. However, I've seen the material taught through only a Democratic or Republican lens (basically indoctrinating the children to the teacher's political beliefs).

Teach the children objectively and let them make up their own mind. Or ask the children to have a discussion with their parents and open their eyes even further to the real world.

100%. Has to be unbiased truths taught independent of political views or personal attachments.
We need to start by saying what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong, rather than skimming over the wrongs to focus on the rights of our past.

 

[Chris Craig]

He’s only level headed because he’s bald! #BAM

I still have some hair

 

[Jade Falcon]

No worries. I'm always interested in hearing why someone voted for him. Hell, one of my best friends has always loved Trump. But her and I get along great and have for years.

As far as the voting. Yeah. Clinton was just an awful choice as opponent. It was a perfect storm. Stinkin' Democratic party had to go and fuck things up because yes, had Sanders gotten the nod, it would have been no contest.

Also, "not the answer" was more meant to mean maybe we could have had a more moderate conservative. Trump is egregious and divisive. I have always believed news has an agenda for years, so the "fake news" stuff at it's core has some merit. That being said, the way he goes about it is what is causing the division, in my opinion. That's where I have the big issue. Contuining to punch the wall doesnt solve anything. We get it, I think most of society knows news has an agenda. But instead of trying to foster free thought and thoroughness, he decides to lambast and criticize. While what he -says- may be true (Although , some of the time it is not), the way he interacts with people is such a put-off that resentment grows.

There were some things I didn't like that Obama did, but that guy could unite a country and keep it based on the facts. I really appreciated that. Even moreso now.

I often wondered what having a non-career politican would be like. But now that we do, and the disasters (that to me, far outweigh any good he may be doing... which I don't see, IMO. And I'm looking) that have come up... I doubt it will ever happen again. And I for one am happy.

What needs to be done is thorough looks into the politicians. See if their words match up with their ideals.

In regards to hillary and never talking about that side. That's just how society is right now, unfortunately. "LOOK AT THEM. NO NO, DONT LOOK BACK. LOOK THAT WAY." It's how life has always been, but with the advent of social media and having thousands of opinions at our fingertips, echo chambers abound. And I don't see a way out of it.

There are a lot of things Trump has done that have been mindnumbingly bad. There are a lot of things that Clinton has done that has made me go "the fuck you doing"? Unfortunately as a whole, we live in a world where drama sells. I've just seen enough of Trumps' actions play out that it can't be just "Fake news" but what he really is as a person.

A person unfit to run this country.

I hope that doesn't come off as harsh at the end. But you also know where I stand with him, so I hope you can forgive me for being a bit terse. lol.

Obama was forced to bail out the banks because Bush drove this country into the ground.

We will see about Trump's policies.

Have you heard the terrible things he has said at those rallies? The lies? The things he has made up? The divisiveness. If you see something good in that ok. I don't. Yeah he is keeping his base close.

We will see what happens the next 2 years. Hopefully both parties can work together.

I think that the numbers show pretty clearly that the Obama administration's economic plan worked - there should really be no argument there.

The U.S National Bureau of Economic Research defines the great recession between December 2007 and June 2009. Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009, so it had already started before he entered office. Given that he inherited a recession and after his 2 terms we had a fast growing economy is not something that can be debated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession

The unemployment when he got into office was 7.9%, 4.8% when he left.

Now, under Trump unemployment continued to fall (we are at 4% now) - but the actual numbers seem smaller compared to Obama's last years - in 2016 there was 1.95M new jobs created, in 2017 there were only 1.7M new jobs created.

The great Republican economic rallying cry against Obama was the federal deficit - and it is absolutely true that he borrowed heavily to rebuild the economy, and for 4 years (his first term) - the deficit was over $1T. But, when he left office the deficit was $587B (Bush's last pre-recession deficit was $459B).

At the end of Trump's first year the deficit is at $666B - and I suspect it will grow even further with the new tax plan - so the so called Republican "fixes" to the economy show slowing gains and growth of the deficit (the big no-no the Republicans cried about).



There is certainly no doubt that he did not immediately muck it about and the GDP, market and unemployment trends continued - even if they were slower growth than before - but there are real concerns - the new tax plan is a great boon to the rich people - but the idea that the market and GDP will continue to grow at rapid pace to overcome the loss of federal income is questionable at best - the deficit is already growing under Trump and I would not be surprised if the deficit will continue to grow at a much higher pace now, despite the fact that we are in a strong economy.

There are also signs that we are at the start of a bear market already - https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/19/investing/stocks-bear-market-morgan-stanley/index.html - and this comes from financial analysts - not political ones.

Some things I agree and disagree with here, but I fell asleep, and I've got a long day tomorrow, so we'll just leave it at that.

Good talking with everyone, and have a happy and safe Thanksgiving!

 

[Lanny]

I never compared anybody to antifa. I said Portland Oregon is basically home of antifa now since they run wild in the streets. That as nothing to do with the forum. I don’t think that. Yeah you’re correct, I don’t know anything most black Americans have gone through. However I’m not gonna act like racism in this country is still how it was in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s. It’s simply not. We have come so far. It seems some people wanna still live in that time. I see a lot of successful African Americans in this country. I saw Obama’s presidency and how many people loved and still love him. Shit, I see big company’s react on just the accusation of racism like the girl who got fired from chipotle because she claimed this black guy didn’t have money on him to pay. Video uploaded, guy claims racism. She gets fired. Later on people did research and this guy would brag about dining and dashing. After that, chipotle rehired her. This country has come a long way and quite frankly I’m tired of certain groups acting as if racism is still as huge as it was. It’s tiring. It’s now cool to shit on white people.

"There is a reason this place is antifas home now."

 

[Cippy91]

"There is a reason this place is antifas home now."

As in Portland, not the OT section

 

[Hobbesarable]

100%. Has to be unbiased truths taught independent of political views or personal attachments.
We need to start by saying what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong, rather than skimming over the wrongs to focus on the rights of our past.

@Orion Bailey , it's good having you back in the forum. I enjoy our conversations.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone at S2!

 

[Lanny]

As in Portland, not the OT section

"It’s the stupid ideas that go around here." Where do you think 'here' is? I say it's here.
That last post of yours looks identical to what most people would refer to as weaseling.
Look, do you ever wonder why you have so much trouble in here? At the minimum I see it as being incredibly misleading. Again, at the minimum, I see it as being the result of being very very confused and hence, extremely unclear.

 

[Cippy91]

"It’s the stupid ideas that go around here." Where do you think 'here' is? I say it's here.
That last post of yours looks identical to what most people would refer to as weaseling.
Look, do you ever wonder why you have so much trouble in here? At the minimum I see it as being incredibly misleading. Again, at the minimum, I see it as being the result of being very very confused and hence, extremely unclear.

You are really gonna stand firm on this one? I have never said this forum has antifa members in here. That’s incredibly stupid. The ideas though can be far left. That’s much different than antifa.

I have trouble in the OT section because my opinions do not align with the left. They don’t align with the right. The issue is people assume. If you don’t believe what others do here, you are the right. This OT section has become incredibly political and everything has become right or left in here unfortunately. I’m not confused at all. Seems you are.

 

[Lanny]

You are really gonna stand firm on this one? I have never said this forum has antifa members in here. That’s incredibly stupid. The ideas though can be far left. That’s much different than antifa.

I have trouble in the OT section because my opinions do not align with the left. They don’t align with the right. The issue is people assume. If you don’t believe what others do here, you are the right. This OT section has become incredibly political and everything has become right or left in here unfortunately. I’m not confused at all. Seems you are.

I'm sure you think it's a stupid idea. Otherwise, you wouldn't be you.

Edit: I'll take your word for it that you didn't mean the forum. Let's just say your post wasn't too clear to me. It certainly appeared to me that you meant the forum even if you didn't.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The issue is people assume.

This. Assumptions run rampant in here...on both sides. People are so much more interested in trying to prove their case, or denigrate the opposition, that they'd rather seize on a single sentence or phrase to attack rather than seek to fully understand another person's perspective.

If people sought first to listen and clarify rather than simply argue, this place (and the world in general) would be much better.

 

[Hobbesarable]

This. Assumptions run rampant in here...on both sides. People are so much more interested in trying to prove their case, or denigrate the opposition, that they'd rather seize on a single sentence or phrase to attack rather than seek to fully understand another person's perspective.

I usually bow out of a discussion or argument once it gets to that point.

 

[Orion Bailey]

This. Assumptions run rampant in here...on both sides. People are so much more interested in trying to prove their case, or denigrate the opposition, that they'd rather seize on a single sentence or phrase to attack rather than seek to fully understand another person's perspective.

If people sought first to listen and clarify rather than simply argue, this place (and the world in general) would be much better.

This this this.
So very much this.
Example “A” would be where i was trying to discuss the homless problem on the east side and was going well until out of the blue i was told im fucking clueless because someone was fixated on a few small pockets of nice neighborhoods that dont have homeless issues.

This person fixated on three little pockets instead of asking me where i see them or discussing with me our difference of opinion.

The problem is some of the same people who are guilty of this are praised for thier behavior on this site and are treated like golden children and if you disagree with that person, half the forum then defends this person and makes it sound like the issue is all on the person who was called fucking clueless.

Not one person, mod or other, stepped up and told him that was wrong. Why? Because in the biased eyes of some, this person can do no wrong.

So yeah i have reached my breaking point with some who cant converse maturely around here aNd having the same people be glorified by the rest of the forum.


I know if i told someone else they were fucking clueless out of the blue as i entered a convo, i would have been chastised. But somehow this person gets away with it regularly and not one person says a word.

But hey, im the one who has to get over myself.
Right.....

 

[Hobbesarable]

This this this.
So very much this.
Example “A” would be where i was trying to discuss the homless problem on the east side and was going well until out of the blue i was told im fucking clueless because someone was fixated on a few small pockets of nice neighborhoods that dont have homeless issues.

This person fixated on three little pockets instead of asking me where i see them or discussing with me our difference of opinion.

The problem is some of the same people who are guilty of this are praised for thier behavior on this site and are treated like golden children and if you disagree with that person, half the forum then defends this person and makes it sound like the issue is all on the person who was called fucking clueless.

Not one person, mod or other, stepped up and told him that was wrong. Why? Because in the biased eyes of some, this person can do no wrong.

So yeah i have reached my breaking point with some who cant converse maturely around here aNd having the same people be glorified by the rest of the forum.


I know if i told someone else they were fucking clueless out of the blue as i entered a convo, i would have been chastised. But somehow this person gets away with it regularly and not one person says a word.

But hey, im the one who has to get over myself.
Right.....

I stepped up and mentioned the growing homeless population moving towards the multi-use path along the I-205 corridor. Do I have statistics backing it up? No. However, I run along there every day, so I can at least tell you my observations.

 

[CupWizier]

This this this.
So very much this.
Example “A” would be where i was trying to discuss the homless problem on the east side and was going well until out of the blue i was told im fucking clueless because someone was fixated on a few small pockets of nice neighborhoods that dont have homeless issues.

This person fixated on three little pockets instead of asking me where i see them or discussing with me our difference of opinion.

The problem is some of the same people who are guilty of this are praised for thier behavior on this site and are treated like golden children and if you disagree with that person, half the forum then defends this person and makes it sound like the issue is all on the person who was called fucking clueless.

Not one person, mod or other, stepped up and told him that was wrong. Why? Because in the biased eyes of some, this person can do no wrong.

So yeah i have reached my breaking point with some who cant converse maturely around here aNd having the same people be glorified by the rest of the forum.


I know if i told someone else they were fucking clueless out of the blue as i entered a convo, i would have been chastised. But somehow this person gets away with it regularly and not one person says a word.

But hey, im the one who has to get over myself.
Right.....

Posting that someone is clueless is a bannable offense from a thread. I found out first hand when I posted that a poster was clueless (such an awful word I guess) where as a poster that I have had issues with mocked my mother who passed away way to young at 61 and I was 37 and claimed my mother was locked up at Universal Studios trying to escape from the Walking Dead set at Universal Studios and that clown was only edited. It's not the one way street you claim it to be.

 

[CupWizier]

I stepped up and mentioned the growing homeless population moving towards the multi-use path along the I-205 corridor. Do I have statistics backing it up? No. However, I run along there every day, so I can at least tell you my observations.

I was one that was in that discussion and what OB may have forgotten is that nobody said homelessness doesn't exist in Portland, but OB portrayed the picture as it's rampant on almost every corner on the east side. Yes it still exists, but I have also seen improvement over the past year or so and often when they try and set up on a street within a few days they are usually moved along.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Posting that someone is clueless is a bannable offense from a thread. I found out first hand when I posted that a poster was clueless (such an awful word I guess) where as a poster that I have had issues with mocked my mother who passed away way to young at 61 and I was 37 and claimed my mother was locked up at Universal Studios trying to escape from the Walking Dead set at Universal Studios and that clown was only edited. It's not the one way street you claim it to be.

I was one that was in that discussion and what OB may have forgotten is that nobody said homelessness doesn't exist in Portland, but OB portrayed the picture as it's rampant on almost every corner on the east side. Yes it still exists, but I have also seen improvement over the past year or so and often when they try and set up on a street within a few days they are usually moved along.

Cup. I wasnt referencing you. I have respect for you. You reached out to me in private and i thought that was way cool. Yes we had quite the conflict in that thread, but you and i are not what i was referencing.

Besides i dont see the forum treating you like a golden child.

I dont want to get into the details of the differences of opinion about the homeless issue. My issue is with how one aproches a convo with thier opinion, aNd starting out by saying someone else is fucking clueless is just wrong and doesnt work on so many levels. Especially when there has been a history of conflict between the two entities.

Again. Not you cup.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Posting that someone is clueless is a bannable offense from a thread. I found out first hand when I posted that a poster was clueless (such an awful word I guess) where as a poster that I have had issues with mocked my mother who passed away way to young at 61 and I was 37 and claimed my mother was locked up at Universal Studios trying to escape from the Walking Dead set at Universal Studios and that clown was only edited. It's not the one way street you claim it to be.

And actually cup lthis is verifying my complaint about some peolple getting special treatment around here.
You were banned from a thread. Yet a golden child of this forum said the samecthing and im pretty sure its still ip and not one person mod or other scolded him or banned him mfrom the thread.

This is exactly proving my point that you were treated differently than someone else who did the same thing.

 

[CupWizier]

This. Assumptions run rampant in here...on both sides. People are so much more interested in trying to prove their case, or denigrate the opposition, that they'd rather seize on a single sentence or phrase to attack rather than seek to fully understand another person's perspective.

If people sought first to listen and clarify rather than simply argue, this place (and the world in general) would be much better.

Assumptions can get a person in trouble, but my pet peeve is those posters that constantly play the victim and then will even make a post complaining about being a victim.

 

[CupWizier]

And actually cup lthis is verifying my complaint about some peolple getting special treatment around here.
You were banned from a thread. Yet a golden child of this forum said the samecthing and im pretty sure its still ip and not one person mod or other scolded him or banned him mfrom the thread.

This is exactly proving my point that you were treated differently than someone else who did the same thing.

The way I see it though is that it's more random rather than allowing some special privileges. There is one particular poster I shall keep nameless at the time that has been friends with Sly way back in the days of OL and has even visited him at his home, but the poster has been one of the biggest abusers of posting in the forum and sly has warned him many times and deleted many of his posts and yet the guy continues and then even whines about it in the open forum.

 

[Orion Bailey]

The way I see it though is that it's more random rather than allowing some special privileges. There is one particular poster I shall keep nameless at the time that has been friends with Sly way back in the days of OL and has even visited him at his home, but the poster has been one of the biggest abusers of posting in the forum and sly has warned him many times and deleted many of his posts and yet the guy continues and then even whines about it in the open forum.

Fair enough.

There is certainly a history of friendship amongst some long time members but those friendships shouldnt dictate who gets away with more or not.

The problem lies in this, combined with insults being somewhat opinion based.

There is definitely not much consistency when it comes to moderating a specific offence when it comes from different entities.
Your post about clueless is a perfect example.
some people can get away with things while others may not, aNd it could be random, but i think its more a judgement call based on friendships and having history that has provided time to get to know one another.

That needs to be taken Out of the equation.
Its the only way to have blanket rules aNd enforce them evenly.

Either have to let all insults go or enforce them the same regardless of personal friendships providing an opinion that its a friendly jab vs an insult. As long as this gray area is permitted, there will be people confused and led astray as to what is acceptable aNd what is not and this will lead to further conflict.

Im sorry if the growth if this forum has provided enough newer members that some of the old school “fams” members think this forum has been ruined because they dont feel like thier circle runs things around here anymore aNd they are now being held accountable for thier statements like everyone else here.

If they dont like it then go start some private fams forum. This is an nba blazers forum. Not some private clique forum that has been infiltrated by the devils.

This forum was ruined the moment some people tried to make it about them having thier good time ruined because others wanted some equality around here.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Where are you from? I’m going to name my neighborhood and surrounding areas. GOOGLE ‘em or go on RMLS.com.
-Alameda, Beaumont, Wilshire, Grant Park, Irvington, Mt. Tabor and Laurelhurst

Feel free to tell me if your area can compete with mine on ANY level. Fuck outta’ here!

Ahh yes and here it is. Still up. Still no comment in the thread that this is a bannable offence from that thread.

Cup was banned from a thread for saying the same thing to someone else.
This is the bias i reference with this individual.

Mods will deny it. Why? Because thier bias has created blindness or something. I dont know honestly. But im not the only one who believes this to be true. Im not the only one to have limited myself from this forum because of this obvious and blatant favoritism for this individual...based on a long history of friendship?

But watch now as i will be degraded and treated as a whiner and this quoted post will now be dealt with, all the while making it sound like im the one with the issue.

 

[CupWizier]

Ahh yes and here it is. Still up. Still no comment in the thread that this is a bannable offence from that thread.

Cup was banned from a thread for saying the same thing to someone else.
This is the bias i reference with this individual.

Mods will deny it. Why? Because thier bias has created blindness or something. I dont know honestly. But im not the only one who believes this to be true. Im not the only one to have limited myself from this forum because of this obvious and blatant favoritism for this individual...based on a long history of friendship?

But watch now as i will be degraded and treated as a whiner and this quoted post will now be dealt with, all the while making it sound like im the one with the issue.

I understand the frustration level and can see where it can be perceived as favoritism. I have learned a long time ago from my involvement in various forums to not try and take things personally and i try and bow out if I find myself leaning that way. The mods do miss some but for the most part I think overall they do a good job but the rules are often written so loosely and often times it has to be handled on a case by case basis and consider the the direction the discussion is going. I will agree that HCP's clueless statement was far worse than how I used it and yet his stood and mine was deleted and I was banned. Maybe the rules need to be re-evaluated so that more consistency can be accomplished and I would suggest a PM to sly and offer up some ideas that maybe they can discuss and possibly implement.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ahh yes and here it is. Still up. Still no comment in the thread that this is a bannable offence from that thread.

Cup was banned from a thread for saying the same thing to someone else.
This is the bias i reference with this individual.

Mods will deny it. Why? Because thier bias has created blindness or something. I dont know honestly. But im not the only one who believes this to be true. Im not the only one to have limited myself from this forum because of this obvious and blatant favoritism for this individual...based on a long history of friendship?

But watch now as i will be degraded and treated as a whiner and this quoted post will now be dealt with, all the while making it sound like im the one with the issue.

Insult has been deleted.

That is not acceptable.

I do not read all the posts, no mod does.

I have not read all of posts made since I went to bed last night and since I got up this morning.

I'm leaving the house in 30 mins and won't be back until later this afternoon.

So there will be 100s of posts that I will have not read.

When I get home later today I will do what I always do:

1. Read the reported post section and deal with those posts.

2. Read and answer the Private Messages that I have received.

Did you report that post? No.

Did you send me a PM about that post? No.

Do I see insults by you, Cup, and bodyman in that thread that also went unedited? Yes.

Did mods edit posts in that thread? Yes.

Did they see all of them? Apparently not.

Did they not take action because they don't like you or like HCP better? No.

Have I or any mod ever called you a whiner or a jackass like you've made the accusation of the last two days? No.

Have I doubled the size of the staff here in the last 6 months to try and deal with this? Yes.

Is one of these people a very close friend of yours? Yes.

...

Now I just took the time go back and see what I was doing the week of October 18th that caused me to be a giant fucking cunt loser and miss that insult.

If you would like I can go and give a detailed report of the hours of work I put in for this community that has absolutely nothing to do insults and arguments. Hours of work. Meetings, emails, swag, tickets, suite games, interviews, visiting Brian Wheeler in the hospital, all 100s things that I do in the background to try to make this place better and fun.

But yes, let's go with I'm biased, or I play favorites, or I don't like you.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I understand the frustration level and can see where it can be perceived as favoritism. I have learned a long time ago from my involvement in various forums to not try and take things personally and i try and bow out if I find myself leaning that way. The mods do miss some but for the most part I think overall they do a good job but the rules are often written so loosely and often times it has to be handled on a case by case basis and consider the the direction the discussion is going. I will agree that HCP's clueless statement was far worse than how I used it and yet his stood and mine was deleted and I was banned. Maybe the rules need to be re-evaluated so that more consistency can be accomplished and I would suggest a PM to sly and offer up some ideas that maybe they can discuss and possibly implement.

I tried to point out that i believe the job of modding is virtually impossible but that is based on the losseness they themselves allow with regards to interpretation, in the rules thread. They will never be able to please everyone as long as there is vagueness in the rules and in instilling the rules.

I 100% agree that they do a great job under the circumstances. I have a ton of respect for them be ause it is not easy and not just snyone can do it.
I also believe the mods are in a constant mode of frustration that was founded on their allowing a loose interpretation of the rules to exist, based on thier perception of the situation formed from thier relationships with those members involved.
I seen it. “So and so is the nicest guy in person...”
But how does that matter when i have never met said person and said person has only shown me complete disrespect aNd assholish behavior even in the face of an apology and an olive branch?

They let thier relationship with some here dictate the level of tolerance allowed for thier behavior.

They are victim to thier own position is all.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Insult has been deleted.

That is not acceptable.

I do not read all the posts, no mod does.

I have not read all of posts made since I went to bed last night and since I got up this morning.

I'm leaving the house in 30 mins and won't be back until later this afternoon.

So there will be 100s of posts that I will have not read.

When I get home later today I will do what I always do:

1. Read the reported post section and deal with those posts.

2. Read and answer the Private Messages that I have received.

Did you report that post? No.

Did you send me a PM about that post? No.

Do I see insults by you, Cup, and bodyman in that thread that also went unedited? Yes.

Did mods edit posts in that thread? Yes.

Did they see all of them? Apparently not.

Did they not take action because they don't like you or like HCP better? No.

Have I or any mod ever called you a whiner or a jackass like you've made the accusation of the last two days? No.

Have I doubled the size of the staff here in the last 6 months to try and deal with this? Yes.

Is one of these people a very close friend of yours? Yes.

...

Now I just took the time go back and see what I was doing the week of October 18th that caused me to be a giant fucking cunt loser and miss that insult.

If you would like I can go and give a detailed report of the hours of work I put in for this community that has absolutely nothing to do insults and arguments. Hours of work. Meetings, emails, swag, tickets, suite games, interviews, visiting Brian Wheeler in the hospital, all 100s things that I do in the background to try to make this place better and fun.

But yes, let's go with I'm biased, or I play favorites, or I don't like you.

Why are you making this out to be about you when i have never referenced any specific mod?

That thread created a second thread because of heat and i have to believe several mods read through it.

This is simply one of many examples of this individual.
But i do like how you are kinda proving my point.

Look man, ive always said you do a great job here so i dont know why it seems you are taking this personal.
This isnt about you. Its about modding in general aNd how difficult it is when mods have relationships with members.

I might be making myself more difficult to understand and i apologize. I do have a bad habit of saying i or you, when i am referencing peole in general. Its a terrible habit i try to watch for. Not sure if i did that in my last few posts or not.
I know it makes it hard to know if i am speaking to an individual or about people in general.

However, do i think at times your relationship with him can influence your perception of certain situations? Yes. I do.
Do i think this of some other mods and forum members as well? Yes. I do.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Have I or any mod ever called you a whiner or a jackass like you've made the accusation of the last two days? No.

Are you serious with this????

First i never accused you of calling me a jackass.

I was the donkey moniker. A jackass. The intent was to be a jackass. I called myself that!

Secondly, i never accused a mod of calling me a whiner either i was referencing other members.

Not sure why you are getting so defensive when ive made a point to say mods or anyone else most everytime????
I know you are running the show and your dedication to this place is impeccable, but this really isnt about you. Its about this place in general.

 

[Chris Craig]

Why are you making this out to be about you when i have never referenced any specific mod?

That thread created a second thread because of heat and i have to believe several mods read through it.

This is simply one of many examples of this individual.
But i do like how you are kinda proving my point.

Look man, ive always said you do a great job here so i dont know why it seems you are taking this personal.
This isnt about you. Its about modding in general aNd how difficult it is when mods have relationships with members.

I might be making myself more difficult to understand and i apologize. I do have a bad habit of saying i or you, when i am referencing peole in general. Its a terrible habit i try to watch for. Not sure if i did that in my last few posts or not.
I know it makes it hard to know if i am speaking to an individual or about people in general.

However, do i think at times your relationship with him can influence your perception of certain situations? Yes. I do.
Do i think this of some other mods and forum members as well? Yes. I do.

Every day. All day. We hear complaints. It gets frustrating. Posters couldn't even a day off of complaining for the holiday. On top of all of that, Sly does a lot of other things to make this place go. Its stressfull as shit. I can't imagine with all the added stuff Sly has how exhausted he must be on it.

The mods are going to have a conversation about the rules issues. We don't need people to explain over and over how there are grey areas and loopholes. We got it. We are figuring out what to do about it. We are trying to be here to make this a functional forum for everyone.

I understand you are trying to continue to make a point about how the rules aren't great when they are so vague. When people can circumnavigate them. The case has been made. Thank you.

There will be a mod discussion. Until then if you guys want us to delete or edit every post that can be remotely concieved as an insult, baiting, etc we will.

P.s.

I appreciated your point about conversation vs arguing. I argue a lot. I am going to work on having more conversation.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Every day. All day. We here complaints. It gets frustrating. Posters couldn't even a day off of complaining for the holiday. On top of all of that, Sly does a lot of other things to make this place go. Its stressfull as shit. I can't imagine with all the added stuff Sly has how exhausted he must be on it.

The mods are going to have a conversation about the rules issues. We don't need people to explain over and over how there are grey areas and loopholes. We got. We are figuring out what to do about it. We are trying to be here to make this a functional forum for everyone.

I understand you are trying to continue to make a point about how the rules aren't great when they so vague. When people can circumnavigate them. The case has been made. Thank you.

There will be a mod discussion. Until then if you guys want us to delete or edit every post that can be remotely concieved as an insult, baiting, etc we will.

P.s.

I appreciated your point about conversation vs arguing. I argue a lot. I am going to work on and having more conversation.

The job is soo very difficult.
That is unfortunate that on a day of thanks, people felt the need to complain to the mods about something here.

I do not envy mods at all. Very much like being a police officer in todays world. Its a virtual lose lose situation.
I have voiced my appreciation many times and have reached out to help with certain things myself. Gatherings etc.
soo much respect for Sly snd all the mods really for all they do.

Its just unfortunate that there are some that will purposefully and/or intentionally take advantage of the looseness of the insult rule to navigate/skirt around them with negative intent, perhaps evenctaking advantage of thier relatjin ship with mids and other members.

If everyone would check themselves a bit more, myself included, the mod job would probably be tremendously easier.
The problem is some people get joy out of others frustrations. I have no clue on how to fix that.

For the record im not one to report behaviors. I beleive that everyone has their moments. No reporting needed. Just deal with it aNd move on. I beleive...i hope, that most people have enough self awareness to be able to reflect upon thier own behavior with impartial judgment and see, when rational, what is and isnt crossing the behavioral line of respect we should have for one another.

I only brought back up the clueless post as a point of reference for the conversation at hand. Not to continue any drama within that thread.

 

[Chris Craig]

The job is soo very difficult.
That is unfortunate that on a day of thanks, people felt the need to complain to the mods about something here.

I do not envy mods at all. Very much like being a police officer in todays world. Its a virtual lose lose situation.
I have voiced my appreciation many times and have reached out to help with certain things myself. Gatherings etc.
soo much respect for Sly snd all the mods really for all they do.

Its just unfortunate that there are some that will purposefully and/or intentionally take advantage of the looseness of the insult rule to navigate/skirt around them with negative intent, perhaps evenctaking advantage of thier relatjin ship with mids and other members.

If everyone would check themselves a bit more, myself included, the mod job would probably be tremendously easier.
The problem is some people get joy out of others frustrations. I have no clue on how to fix that.

For the record im not one to report behaviors. I beleive that everyone has their moments. No reporting needed. Just deal with it aNd move on. I beleive...i hope, that most people have enough self awareness to be able to reflect upon thier own behavior with impartial judgment and see, when rational, what is and isnt crossing the behavioral line of respect we should have for one another.

I only brought back up the clueless post as a point of reference for the conversation at hand. Not to continue any drama within that thread.

I went back and edited that whole thread.

Mods try to read as much as they can. Things get missed. We rely on posters to report posts with insults, baiting etc. You were complaining about those posts still being up. If they had been reported they would have already been edited. I edited some of your posts too in that thread. Yes, accountability is important. It is something we are going to start holding everyone too. There are no special favors. We have recieved a lot of points of emphasis. We will discuss it.

 

[Cippy91]

This. Assumptions run rampant in here...on both sides. People are so much more interested in trying to prove their case, or denigrate the opposition, that they'd rather seize on a single sentence or phrase to attack rather than seek to fully understand another person's perspective.

If people sought first to listen and clarify rather than simply argue, this place (and the world in general) would be much better.

True, and I have certainly been guilty of it at times. It’s also much harder to talk about serious issues when you can’t hear tone and just see words because then you can just make up whatever tone you want the person to have and interpret it how you want especially if you have never met the person or know much about them.