Anyone know why Muslims hate being photographed?

[Cryptkeeper]

Come on man. "We want people to live in peace, freedom and prosperity." How is that not ripped straight from a U.S. history text book from 10th grade?

Oh and I've just accepted everything I heard? I was in high school on 9/11. You want to know the kind of shit I heard? That all Muslims accept terrorism. That the images of Palestinians dancing in the streets they were playing on the news was in reaction to the attacks (they weren't.) That Islam is an inherently violent religion that supports terrorism. I didn't accept those things, and I went and got an education so I knew what the hell I was talking about.




We've had this argument so many times, so I'll just run through the bullet points.

1. Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Muslims condemn terrorism all the time. It doesn't make the nightly news or your right wing blogs.

2. Much of the Muslim world has little power against terrorism. The vast majority of terrorist attacks are against other Muslims. Blame the governments for being toothless. Don't blame the innocent victims. There is little they can do.

+rep
Great response.

 

[bluefrog]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to hoojacks again.

Well said.

Have you read about the deradicalization efforts many countries are making to stop terrorism?

 

[MarAzul]

So, 7 pages of Islamophobia. Why am I not surprised?

Because if the original quesiton was a serious one, the poster would go to the web site of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Or a local mosque. Or similar site. That is where a person goes who has a serious question about a religion. Not a sports board, none of whose members, so far as I know, are Muslim. Seems the whole point of starting this thread was to post nasty things about Muslims by people with no study at all in Islam.

What's this? A LGBT booster standing for the Muslims? How is that going to work when they implement Shria Law?

This may provide a clue:

1. Men have not been created to be spouses for men; rather it is women that have been created for them.

2. Going for sexual needs to those who have not been created for this purpose has been severely disapproved as transgression. (See also Q. 26: 168).

3. It also clearly follows from the first point that for women then men have been created to be spouses just as women have been created to be spouses for men. Therefore, it follows from the second point that, for women, leaving men to choose women is a transgression worthy of similar, severe condemnation as they too choose those who are not meant to be their sexual partners.

http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/PrintVersion.aspx?id=1281

 

[BlazerWookee]

So, 7 pages of Islamophobia. Why am I not surprised?

Because if the original quesiton was a serious one, the poster would go to the web site of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Or a local mosque. Or similar site. That is where a person goes who has a serious question about a religion. Not a sports board, none of whose members, so far as I know, are Muslim. Seems the whole point of starting this thread was to post nasty things about Muslims by people with no study at all in Islam.

"-phobia," lol...

 

[oldguy]

1.2 BILLION Muslims.

Here's the size of Al Qaeda's army:

Looks like a few thousand. Out of 1.2 BILLION.

Do you have the numbers for Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest of the gang?

Go Blazers

 

[oldguy]

I think you are over generalizing what's going on to make Morsi look bad.

They're not persecuting minorities. They're getting revenge for the coup and the killings of the protesters.

“The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,”

Mohamed Morsi, the day after he was elected president of Egypt.

Go Blazers

 

[Denny Crane]

Do you have the numbers for Hamas, Hezbollah and the rest of the gang?

Go Blazers

Hamas military wing is 1,000. They operate exclusively in the Gaza Strip. As elected leaders, they gained access to foreign aid from whatever sources. Hamas has support of about 19% of Palestinians, according to polls taken since -2004.

Hezbollah has 600-1000 active fighters, an army of 3000-5000 (not all are active), and maybe 10,000 reserves.

This is a teensiest fraction of the 1.7B Muslims.

As Hoojacks wrote, Muslims don't condone terrorism, they're far more often the target of terrorism than anyone else. Think back to the W years in Iraq... The Mosque bombing was terrorist attack on a Muslim holy place. Drive by shootings of Muslims standing in line to join the police force. And so on.

And all that pales in comparison to despots like Saddam, who mass murdered Muslims by the millions.

 

[riverman]

Hamas military wing is 1,000. They operate exclusively in the Gaza Strip. As elected leaders, they gained access to foreign aid from whatever sources. Hamas has support of about 19% of Palestinians, according to polls taken since -2004.

Hezbollah has 600-1000 active fighters, an army of 3000-5000 (not all are active), and maybe 10,000 reserves.

This is a teensiest fraction of the 1.7B Muslims.

As Hoojacks wrote, Muslims don't condone terrorism, they're far more often the target of terrorism than anyone else. Think back to the W years in Iraq... The Mosque bombing was terrorist attack on a Muslim holy place. Drive by shootings of Muslims standing in line to join the police force. And so on.

And all that pales in comparison to despots like Saddam, who mass murdered Muslims by the millions.

Brilliant piece of posting here Denny! Best post on the thread. So many have ripped off Frank Zappa's line from his autobiography..if you want to stop a suicide bomber you just use a pork spritzer...they can't get to heaven smelling like pork. But really I see a few hundred Americans everyday at work and it just takes a few assholes to make folks think America is full of assholes..why? They are usually the loudest people.

 

[oldguy]

Hamas military wing is 1,000. They operate exclusively in the Gaza Strip. As elected leaders, they gained access to foreign aid from whatever sources. Hamas has support of about 19% of Palestinians, according to polls taken since -2004.

Hezbollah has 600-1000 active fighters, an army of 3000-5000 (not all are active), and maybe 10,000 reserves.

This is a teensiest fraction of the 1.7B Muslims.

As Hoojacks wrote, Muslims don't condone terrorism, they're far more often the target of terrorism than anyone else. Think back to the W years in Iraq... The Mosque bombing was terrorist attack on a Muslim holy place. Drive by shootings of Muslims standing in line to join the police force. And so on.

And all that pales in comparison to despots like Saddam, who mass murdered Muslims by the millions.

I wasn't making a case that all Muslims condone terrorism. Clearly that's not the case. What I was getting at is that you seem to trying to make a case that there are only a handful of Muslims that condone terrorism.

I'm no expert on the issue at all, but when looking at how many terroists are out there, counting up the number of known Al-Qaeda fighers is vastly understating the number of Muslims that condone terrorism.

The Al-Qaeda groups for which you provided the number of fighters are a given. How many jihadis to these groups sponsor? How many affiliated groups are there? Didn't Al-Qaeda say they had cells all over the US?

More importantly, how many Joe Schmoe Muslims support these groups, but aren't part of the organization? In your post, you note that 19% of Palestinians support Hamas. I don't know how many Palistinians there are, but what, maybe 5 million? That would seem to suggest that there are about a million Palestinians that condone terrorism.

I don't know if Wikislam is a legit site to trust imfomation from, but they seem to have what appears to be a lot of data. (They had some statements on the site that make me a little skeptical.) They show data from 2003 surveys that indicate the percentages of people that have confidence in Osama Bin Laden to do the right thing in foreign affairs. Indonesia alone was at about 50% that had high, or some, confidence in OBL. Their population is on the order of 200M. That seems to indicate that some 100M had some level of support for the world's most famous terrorist....just in Indonesia. Even if only 10% of those people stongly support terrorism, it is still light years from the few thousands you provided.

That survey had similar support coming from Pakistan and Morocco. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism

Go Blazers

 

[Denny Crane]

The palestinians that support Hamas do so because they think Hamas will best achieve their political aims. Hamas is a political party there.

The issues aren't black and white as you seem to want them to be.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 and injuring 680. McVeigh was a Roman Catholic. Using your logic, Roman Catholics are violent terrorists.

Using my logic, it's not black and white. The grey bits tell us he had become radicalized to his cause and went nuts.

And that's what I think about the few muslims who do commit violent acts - they become radicalized to a cause (not Islam) and go nuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism#Recent_polls

John Esposito, using poll data from Gallup, wrote that Muslims and Americans were equally likely to reject violence against civilians. He also found that those Muslims who support violence against civilians are no more religious than Muslims who do not.[18]

 

[oldguy]

The palestinians that support Hamas do so because they think Hamas will best achieve their political aims. Hamas is a political party there.

I get that. Problem being they support Hamas killing women and children to achieve their political aims. There may be a distinction between religion and political party there, but the separation of church and state is miniscule.

The issues aren't black and white as you seem to want them to be.

I didn’t say what I want them to be. All I wanted to point out is that it is ridiculous to say there are only a few thousand Muslims that support terrorism. There are millions. 51% of Indonesians support a terrorist (OBL) that kills non-combatants. While I’ll concede there is room for some grey area in there, I have a hard time doubting that a minimum of millions of Indonesians support terrorism.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 and injuring 680. McVeigh was a Roman Catholic. Using your logic, Roman Catholics are violent terrorists.
Using my logic, it's not black and white. The grey bits tell us he had become radicalized to his cause and went nuts.

So, you want to compare a one-time event done by a single nut-job to a recurring religious/political strategy to kill women and children to further their agenda? Really?

I explicitly stated that I don’t believe that all Muslims support terrorism. Now you imply that my logic concludes that, because of what TV did, all Catholics not only support violence, but actually ARE terrorists. GTFO. Your arguments are every bit as divisive as Blazer Fanatic’s were, and you banned her for that shit.

Perhaps you could provide a link that shows that 50% of Catholics support what McVeigh did? Or, how about a link where even 1 Catholic supports what McVeigh did?

And that's what I think about the few muslims who do commit violent acts - they become radicalized to a cause (not Islam) and go nuts.

And their nuttiness is supported, to varying degrees, by half their brother and sister Muslims in Indonesia.

You are entitled to your opinion, but don't see how you are going to back up that position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_...m#Recent_polls

John Esposito, using poll data from Gallup, wrote that Muslims and Americans were equally likely to reject violence against civilians. He also found that those Muslims who support violence against civilians are no more religious than Muslims who do not.[18]

You said, yourself, that 19% of Palestinians support Hamas, which is an organization that targets women and children to make a political statement. Do you really think that those 19% reject violence against civilians? Can you cite any 19% segment of America that would support violence against civilians? Tell me, have you ever seen a rally to support terrorist groups in the USA? How many times have you seen that done by the Palestinians?

So, you are going to stick with the notion that there only a few thousand Muslims that support terrorism? I think that's out there where the buses don't run.

Go Blazers

 

[Denny Crane]

Uh. Lol.

OBL was fed guns and money by the good oil' USofA when it was the Russians he was fighting in Afghanistan. Can you fathom the concept that people oppose US imperialism and Bin Laden and his very few terrorist acts made him a visible symbol of that opposition?

Or that when circumstances are hopeless, people will resort to desperate acts?

There are likely millions of people who agree with McVeigh, in principle, but not to the point they'd also resort to violent acts of terror. Count me as one of them - I'm opposed to big government as he was.

Sadly, you can claim no logical high ground with the arguments you are making. You don't get how I use your own logic against you, but you don't like it.

This Snowden guy would get the firing squad for his act of treason, but there are plenty of people, even millions, who think he did the right thing. Analogously, you'd focus on him deserving the firing squad over the reasons why people are thankful he did what he did. And paint all those people with a very broad brush of either black or white paint.

The USA has had its share of terrorists. From the mob shaking down businesses to the KKK and vigilante groups that performed lynchings to abortion clinic bombers.

Hell, the founding fathers destroyed significant $$$ worth of tea and tar & feathered British officials. Like the terrorist groups you mention, they had to fight asymmetrically against the dominant world power of the time.

I'm not condoning the violence, but I do understand it. It's not an artifact of Islam. The polls and actions of the billions of Muslims show it to be otherwise.

 

[Denny Crane]

We do things differently here. These are lilly white people who demonstrate to harm people with brown skin.

 

[oldguy]

Uh. Lol.

OBL was fed guns and money by the good oil' USofA when it was the Russians he was fighting in Afghanistan. Can you fathom the concept that people oppose US imperialism and Bin Laden and his very few terrorist acts made him a visible symbol of that opposition?


Or that when circumstances are hopeless, people will resort to desperate acts?

Yeah, I get that. What does that have to do with you stating that there are only a few thousand Muslims that support terrorism, when surveys show that half of Indonesian Muslims support OBL, and YOU say 19% of Palestinians support Hamas?

There are likely millions of people who agree with McVeigh, in principle, but not to the point they'd also resort to violent acts of terror. Count me as one of them - I'm opposed to big government as he was.

So, you were trying to say that Americans support terrorism at about the same rate is Muslims. It sounds like you don't really believe that, based on what you just wrote. Again, what does that have to do with you saying there are only a few thousand Muslims that support terrorism?

Sadly, you can claim no logical high ground with the arguments you are making. You don't get how I use your own logic against you, but you don't like it.

My only high ground is that there is data that contradicts your claim that there are only a few thousand Muslim that support terrorism. Why don't you either provide some backup for that position, or back off of it?

This Snowden guy would get the firing squad for his act of treason, but there are plenty of people, even millions, who think he did the right thing. Analogously, you'd focus on him deserving the firing squad over the reasons why people are thankful he did what he did. And paint all those people with a very broad brush of either black or white paint.

And that has exactly what to do with terrorism, and how many Muslims support it?

The USA has had its share of terrorists. From the mob shaking down businesses to the KKK and vigilante groups that performed lynchings to abortion clinic bombers.

Ok, which religious group supported those activities.

Hell, the founding fathers destroyed significant $$$ worth of tea and tar & feathered British officials. Like the terrorist groups you mention, they had to fight asymmetrically against the dominant world power of the time.

Yeah, that's JUST like blowing up a bunch of women and children.

I'm not condoning the violence, but I do understand it. It's not an artifact of Islam. The polls and actions of the billions of Muslims show it to be otherwise.

I don't really care if you support violence or not. The polls show that a LOT of Muslims support OBL (and his murdering tactics). Millions. You say there are only thousands. I think that's just disingenuous, and I can't fathom what your motive for that is.

Maybe if you would just answer some of my questions above, or even if you would just provide some evidence that there are only a few thousands that support terrorism, we could move on. If not, this will have to wait a while. I've got work to do and a busy weekend.

Go Blazers

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

So I started browsing the old BBF OT section and ran across some pretty insightful comments.

To confuse Islam and Al-Qaeda as being one in the same speaks to an ignorance that is as broad as it is deep. I suppose the KKK burning crosses and lynching black people represent all Christians too?

As for the war not being winnable in the long run, that's flat out wrong. This is an extremest ideology held by a small group of Muslims. When they are defeated, the War on Terror will end. This is a War on Terror, not a War on Islam.

You should spend some time talking to more Muslims. The overwhelming majority just want to live in peace, otherwise Al Qaeda would number in the hundreds of millions rather than in the thousands. People, regardless of religion, generally desire the same things.

Anyone wanna take a guess at who said those things?

nah, I'll just ruin the suspense now. It was maxiep. wtf?

http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-off-topic-forum/409101-christmas-august.html

 

[oldguy]

We do things differently here. These are lilly white people who demonstrate to harm people with brown skin.

YEAH BABY. Every stinking one of them wants to kill Latino babies. And Amurica condones killing them all. How come there's no bomb going off in the lower pic?

That's fucking pathetic.

Go Blazers

 

[Denny Crane]

So, you were trying to say that Americans support terrorism at about the same rate is Muslims. It sounds like you don't really believe that, based on what you just wrote. Again, what does that have to do with you saying there are only a few thousand Muslims that support terrorism?

Here you go.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism#Recent_polls

John Esposito, using poll data from Gallup, wrote that Muslims and Americans were equally likely to reject violence against civilians. He also found that those Muslims who support violence against civilians are no more religious than Muslims who do not.

 

[Denny Crane]

YEAH BABY. Every stinking one of them wants to kill Latino babies. And Amurica condones killing them all. How come there's no bomb going off in the lower pic?

That's fucking pathetic.

Go Blazers

You asked. I knew you wouldn't like the answer because there are many like this one.

 

[maxiep]

Come on man. "We want people to live in peace, freedom and prosperity." How is that not ripped straight from a U.S. history text book from 10th grade?

We obviously read different textbooks. You tell me another country that has shed so much blood and then completely withdrawn after their victories.

Oh and I've just accepted everything I heard? I was in high school on 9/11. You want to know the kind of shit I heard? That all Muslims accept terrorism. That the images of Palestinians dancing in the streets they were playing on the news was in reaction to the attacks (they weren't.) That Islam is an inherently violent religion that supports terrorism. I didn't accept those things, and I went and got an education so I knew what the hell I was talking about.

Just because it wasn't high school didn't mean you didn't swallow your opinion whole and unquestioningly. Your position throughout this thread reeks of ivory tower graduate school bullshit. You go ahead and take the road of moral equivalency; I'll actually make a value-based stand.

We've had this argument so many times, so I'll just run through the bullet points.

1. Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Muslims condemn terrorism all the time. It doesn't make the nightly news or your right wing blogs.

2. Much of the Muslim world has little power against terrorism. The vast majority of terrorist attacks are against other Muslims. Blame the governments for being toothless. Don't blame the innocent victims. There is little they can do.

If the majority of the Muslim world condemned the aims and ends of terrorism, we would hear little else. Instead, there are no large scale protests, no turning in of terrorist leaders, etc. Instead we hear these people being called "martyrs" and "great leaders".

And like it or not, the "innocent victims" are also to blame by not speaking out against evil. They're no different than the Germans that tolerated Nazism. They may have complained about it in the privacy of their homes, but really they embraced the idea of a resurgent Germany. It's no different with the vast majority of Muslims from Western Africa to the Indian Subcontinent.

 

[maxiep]

So, 7 pages of Islamophobia. Why am I not surprised?

Because if the original quesiton was a serious one, the poster would go to the web site of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Or a local mosque. Or similar site. That is where a person goes who has a serious question about a religion. Not a sports board, none of whose members, so far as I know, are Muslim. Seems the whole point of starting this thread was to post nasty things about Muslims by people with no study at all in Islam.

Do you even know what Islamophobia means, or do you just pull the matching PC pablum from some playbook?

 

[maxiep]

Hamas military wing is 1,000. They operate exclusively in the Gaza Strip. As elected leaders, they gained access to foreign aid from whatever sources. Hamas has support of about 19% of Palestinians, according to polls taken since -2004.

Hezbollah has 600-1000 active fighters, an army of 3000-5000 (not all are active), and maybe 10,000 reserves.

This is a teensiest fraction of the 1.7B Muslims.

As Hoojacks wrote, Muslims don't condone terrorism, they're far more often the target of terrorism than anyone else. Think back to the W years in Iraq... The Mosque bombing was terrorist attack on a Muslim holy place. Drive by shootings of Muslims standing in line to join the police force. And so on.

And all that pales in comparison to despots like Saddam, who mass murdered Muslims by the millions.

Ah, Denny. So simple. So trite. Yep. The terrorism perpetrated against Muslims by Muslims has no aim, no goal. All Muslims are the same.

Genius.

 

[maxiep]

The palestinians that support Hamas do so because they think Hamas will best achieve their political aims. Hamas is a political party there.

The issues aren't black and white as you seem to want them to be.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 and injuring 680. McVeigh was a Roman Catholic. Using your logic, Roman Catholics are violent terrorists.

Using my logic, it's not black and white. The grey bits tell us he had become radicalized to his cause and went nuts.

And that's what I think about the few muslims who do commit violent acts - they become radicalized to a cause (not Islam) and go nuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism#Recent_polls

John Esposito, using poll data from Gallup, wrote that Muslims and Americans were equally likely to reject violence against civilians. He also found that those Muslims who support violence against civilians are no more religious than Muslims who do not.[18]

And McVeigh was decried as a monster for what he did by EVERYONE. That's the difference. Perhaps, one day, you'll catch up to where the rest of us are.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

We obviously read different textbooks. You tell me another country that has shed so much blood and then completely withdrawn after their victories.

Post-colonialist domination is a thing.

Just because it wasn't high school didn't mean you didn't swallow your opinion whole and unquestioningly. Your position throughout this thread reeks of ivory tower graduate school bullshit. You go ahead and take the road of moral equivalency; I'll actually make a value-based stand.

Nice anti-intellectualism you've got there. Glad to know your values are fit for everyone else. If that's the alternative, I'll take my "ivory tower" any day.

If the majority of the Muslim world condemned the aims and ends of terrorism, we would hear little else. Instead, there are no large scale protests, no turning in of terrorist leaders, etc. Instead we hear these people being called "martyrs" and "great leaders".

And like it or not, the "innocent victims" are also to blame by not speaking out against evil. They're no different than the Germans that tolerated Nazism. They may have complained about it in the privacy of their homes, but really they embraced the idea of a resurgent Germany. It's no different with the vast majority of Muslims from Western Africa to the Indian Subcontinent.

Whoa. Agree to disagree. You should listen to yourself from 2008.

 

[maxiep]

So I started browsing the old BBF OT section and ran across some pretty insightful comments.


Anyone wanna take a guess at who said those things?

nah, I'll just ruin the suspense now. It was maxiep. wtf?

http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-off-topic-forum/409101-christmas-august.html

I know it must be strange to you to have someone gather more data, more evidence, and change his or her mind. Hell, I used to be a Democrat.

 

[Denny Crane]

Fox News echo chamber effect.

 

[maxiep]

Post-colonialist domination is a thing.

Yay bumper stickers!

Nice anti-intellectualism you've got there. Glad to know your values are fit for everyone else. If that's the alternative, I'll take my "ivory tower" any day.

Nah. It's just the schools I attended possess real intellectuals. The kind of people that challenge the status quo, the conventional wisdom. We resist indoctrination. We don't take the easy road of moral equivalence. We make judgments.

Whoa. Agree to disagree. You should listen to yourself from 2008.

Assimilating new data with an open mind and coming to a different conclusion is a wonderful thing. You should try it sometime.

 

[MarAzul]

The issues aren't black and white as you seem to want them to be.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 and injuring 680. McVeigh was a Roman Catholic. Using your logic, Roman Catholics are violent terrorists.

Using my logic, it's not black and white. The grey bits tell us he had become radicalized to his cause and went nuts.
[18]

Denny, for a man that won't read about the subject, you sure are an opinionated sucker.

Nearly all terrorist activity in the world today is occurring under the findings of one Fatwa or another.

A fatwā (Arabic: فتوى‎; plural fatāwā Arabic: فتاوى‎) in the Islamic faith is the technical term for the legal judgment or learned interpretation that a qualified jurist or mufti can give on issues pertaining to the Islamic law.[


That is a concept unique to the Islamic religion. There may be close to 2 billion followers of this religion and only some are heeding the call of the Jihad called for in the Fatwas, but enough do, and that is the problem.

You don't find warriors going into battle these days on behalf of the Pope calling out some righteous cause. It doesn't happen by the leadership of any other religion, Buddhist, Hindu, or the Mormons. It is only done today
by learned leaders and followers of the Islamic religion.

Now, I don't think that has squat to do with OKC bombings or enforcing the boarder laws of the US.

As a man that apparently wishes to run a credible website, I would think you would read more and postulate less with irrelevant statistics.

 

[Denny Crane]

When do we nuke em? Can't have a handful out of billions keeping you awake at night.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I know it must be strange to you to have someone gather more data, more evidence, and change his or her mind. Hell, I used to be a Democrat.

You didn't used to be such a condescending dickhole.

Yay bumper stickers!

I'll rephrase. Given the dominating economic policies of the west, it's difficult for many people around the world to hold the opinion that America simply wants people to live in peace and prosperity.

Nah. It's just the schools I attended possess real intellectuals. The kind of people that challenge the status quo, the conventional wisdom. We resist indoctrination. We don't take the easy road of moral equivalence. We make judgments.

Wow. And you're accusing me of being in an ivory tower? This reeks of bitter old man who the world is leaving behind, clinging to your alma mater where the "real" intellectuals were. So much wank.

Assimilating new data with an open mind and coming to a different conclusion is a wonderful thing. You should try it sometime.

Just so long it's the conclusion you have also come to, because you are morally superior and I am not a "real" intellectual. Just so we've got this straight.

 

[MarAzul]

When do we nuke em? Can't have a handful out of billions keeping you awake at night.

When we do Nuke em, and I think it may come to that, it will be right after the few fuck it up for the many, by bringing us a nuke in a sack.

The pussy leadership we have lacks the understanding, the knowledge and the will to get to the root of the problem. That could prove to be disastrous
for us and them. We as a people need to hold our leadership to be accountable for the task at hand.