Anyone want to picks someone other than Scoot or Miller?

[Ed O]

Telfair was regarded as either #1 or #2 (behind LEBRON JAMES) in his high school class. And that article has him listed as "honorable mention" greatest high school prospect OF ALL TIME. Now, of course he didn't play in the G-League, but having seen Jalen Green, you'll forgive me if I don't get all excited at somebody who doesn't even shoot that great in the G-League.

Telfair was listed as honorable mention, sure, outside of the top 25. That's awesome (although, again, that was written 22 years after he was drafted, so I don't take it as anything more than one dude's opinion). But he wasn't even the best player in his draft class on that list (Dwight Howard was)... that at one point when he was, like, 15, he was considered a great prospect is wonderful. As he got older he clearly capped out as a borderline lottery pick.

And Jalen Green averaged 10.4 ppg in his one year in the G League and had a 1:1 assist:TO ratio... Scoot averaged over 14 and 16 in his two years and was 2:1 this past year... and Henderson was a year younger his first year in the G League. In spite of all of this, Green went #2 in the draft, and it just reinforces that Scoop deserves the props he's getting.

 

[STOMP]

Sounds like Justice Winslow. And I mean that as a compliment - I like Winslow (more than I like Grant, tbh), he's just never healthy.

Walker brings some of the same non-scoring/winning intangibles that Winslow does (when he plays), but Jarace is a full size larger and a better run/jump athlete.

STOMP

 

[sheed30]

The G League is presumably the second-best level of competition in the hemisphere, since it's full of guys that were really good in college, while college is just full of guys playing in college.

Obviously there are awesome players potentially in every league, but the G League is full of adults, unlike college and OTE.

meh I disagree a ton man...The European scene has some good players and their overall team defense concept it better than the G-League.

Plus, you went out and made a statement about the game Scoots and stats he put up vs Wambanyana and a quote from him lol...I see you didnt mention anything about that..Those guys were not near NBA level, yes Scoot put up nice numbers but your overblowing it

 

[Rastapopoulos]

And Jalen Green averaged 10.4 ppg in his one year in the G League and had a 1:1 assist:TO ratio... Scoot averaged over 14 and 16 in his two years and was 2:1 this past year... and Henderson was a year younger his first year in the G League. In spite of all of this, Green went #2 in the draft, and it just reinforces that Scoop deserves the props he's getting.

Only if you assume that taking Jalen Green at #2 wasn't a huge mistake. And that would make an ass out of you and me.

That said, I really don't know jack about Scoot. Here's hoping if he's great that we get him and keep him, and if he isn't that we don't.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Will be asinine to pass on either for a vet wing

I notice you say "will" rather than "would". Sadly, you're probably right.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I notice you say "will" rather than "would". Sadly, you're probably right.

NOTHING would make me happier than a forum full of “You don’t know shit you old fuck” posts after the draft

 

[Natebishop3]

Telfair was regarded as either #1 or #2 (behind LEBRON JAMES) in his high school class. And that article has him listed as "honorable mention" greatest high school prospect OF ALL TIME. Now, of course he didn't play in the G-League, but having seen Jalen Green, you'll forgive me if I don't get all excited at somebody who doesn't even shoot that great in the G-League.

Why does that matter? There are plenty of college players that have great skills for the college game, but it doesn't translate to the NBA. Doesn't mean they weren't amazing in college, but they're not that special at the next level.

Marcus Mariota, I absolutely love the guy, but he was tailormade for the blur offense at the college level. He was okay in the NFL, but not anywhere near the superstar player that he was for Oregon. Someone can be a Hall of Fame player at one level, but really just a mediocre talent at the next level.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[andalusian]

NOTHING would make me happier than a forum full of “You don’t know shit you old fuck” posts after the draft

We can make this dream a reality before the draft, because we are giving people!

 

[Mediocre Man]

We can make this dream a reality before the draft, because we are giving people!

It’s why I love this place

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Idog1976]

Yeah taking one of the Thompson twins mighta been the way to go sadly. We shall see.

 

[RR7]

That doesn't say Anthony Black...

 

[inconceivable]

Yeah taking one of the Thompson twins mighta been the way to go sadly. We shall see.

They 13 months older

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I was always intrigued by Amen but Ausar is the one doing a lot better, isn't he? Looks as if only TBPup was considering him as a better defender and shooter than Amen.

 

[Idog1976]

They 13 months older

And taller and longer, which is probably more relevant here. I'm still hopeful Scoot can be an All-Star caliber player, but right now he's not really showing the signs Amen just did, and Ausar has a few times. 13 months isn't that big of a difference with fairly similar levels of competitive play.

 

[inconceivable]

And taller and longer, which is probably more relevant here. I'm still hopeful Scoot can be an All-Star caliber player, but right now he's not really showing the signs Amen just did, and Ausar has a few times. 13 months isn't that big of a difference with fairly similar levels of competitive play.

Sharpe now much better than Sharpe Dec 2022

We'll see

 

[blazerfan11]

I was always intrigued by Amen but Ausar is the one doing a lot better, isn't he? Looks as if only TBPup was considering him as a better defender and shooter than Amen.

I think every source I looked at about Amen and Ausar said Ausar was the better shooter.
Defense-wise, though Amen might be quicker and have a higher ceiling, Ausar was said by some to be the more consistent defender.
Where Amen was said to have the advantage was in very-high-level athleticism, and usage as a point guard and a higher ceiling overall.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I think every source I looked at about Amen and Ausar said Ausar was the better shooter.
Defense-wise, though Amen might be quicker and have a higher ceiling, Ausar was said by some to be the more consistent defender.
Where Amen was said to have the advantage was in very-high-level athleticism, and usage as a point guard and a higher ceiling overall.

And I think they just had to take Ausar out of the starting 5 because of the poor spacing. His shooting is awful, and yet he's better than Amen supposedly. Amen has a higher ceiling but Ausar is more functional.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

That doesn't say Anthony Black...

Because he's starting in the NBA (and helping his team surpass all expectations), not the G-League

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I was always intrigued by Amen but Ausar is the one doing a lot better, isn't he? Looks as if only TBPup was considering him as a better defender and shooter than Amen.

Amen has been injured and Ausar is only "doing better" on a historically awful team.

 

[Idog1976]

Sharpe now much better than Sharpe Dec 2022

We'll see

Sure, but Sharpe showed Superstar potential flashes by December of last year. Just in moments here and there, but they were there. I haven't seen similar in Scoot thus far. Again, I am VERY hopeful Scoot will become and All-Star, I just haven't seen that flashed yet.

 

[Natebishop3]

Sure, but Sharpe showed Superstar potential flashes by December of last year. Just in moments here and there, but they were there. I haven't seen similar in Scoot thus far. Again, I am VERY hopeful Scoot will become and All-Star, I just haven't seen that flashed yet.

All Sharpe did was dunk. I would argue that some of Scoots passes have been just as impressive as Shaedon’s dunks. There have been flashes but they don’t show up on highlights like Sharpe’s posters.

 

[BankTeller]

I was always intrigued by Amen but Ausar is the one doing a lot better, isn't he? Looks as if only TBPup was considering him as a better defender and shooter than Amen.

Ausar considered the better off ball defender, Amen the better on ball defender. Ausar and Amen’s shooting are around the same in terms of percentages, Ausar’s form looked better though. Amen was a PG/SF prospect, Ausar was a SG/SF prospect, but both are big enough to play small ball PF.

Someone’s going to need to bump the pre-draft threads, there were way more people dissing on the twins, now they’re trashing Scoot already. Disheartening that this is the intelligence of an average sports fan lol.

 

[BankTeller]

Sure, but Sharpe showed Superstar potential flashes by December of last year. Just in moments here and there, but they were there. I haven't seen similar in Scoot thus far. Again, I am VERY hopeful Scoot will become and All-Star, I just haven't seen that flashed yet.

Scoot has shown major flashes of his playmaking ability. You aren’t watching the game if you haven’t seen the flashes. Even if you are just looking at raw stats, 7asts off the bench shows the level of playmaker he is. Even when he gets a huge assist—the theatrics and everything to hype up his teammates and the crowd, those all show signs of major confidence being built. The rest of his game will come. The NBA is so stacked with talent now, that what’s between the ears matters just as much as the God-given talent.

All Sharpe did was dunk. I would argue that some of Scoots passes have been just as impressive as Shaedon’s dunks. There have been flashes but they don’t show up on highlights like Sharpe’s posters.

Shae had flashes of superstar as early as those HS clips I saw. Even outside of the athleticism, he had perfect form on his jumper and was ripping them from several feet behind the HS 3pt line, suggesting to me that he was going to be comfortable with NBA 3pt range off the bat. He also showed he was going to be a great weakside defender (the huge blocks would not have surprised you if you watched his HS tape). It takes more than athleticism to do that, it’s anticipation and having a feel of when the opponent will do what.

A lot of people who said “all Sharpe did was dunk” were the people who didn’t like the selection, because he showed a lot more than just dunking ability, even in high school. You’re both right about who you’re defending, but let’s not discredit the other player in doing so. We’re lucky to have both players.

 

[theprunetang]

I have been saying it all along, Scoot's superstar skill, which he has shown already, is his speed combined with size. The rest of his game just needs to catch up. Once it does, watch out. His speed to size ratio is as impressive as Sharpe's vertical, as in maybe 5 players in the league are as fast.

 

[blazerkor]

This thread is a joke. No, I wouldn't take any of the guys drafted after Scoot instead of Scoot. Scoot has a great handle, he has unbelievably great court vision, he has insane speed and just as insane physicality. He has a lot to learn but he seems to have a great attitude and a head coach that can really teach that position on both ends of the court.

 

[Whyachi]

Derrick Lively is too tall. Blazers will never draft a 7 footer ever again.

 

[Idog1976]

Scoot has shown major flashes of his playmaking ability. You aren’t watching the game if you haven’t seen the flashes. Even if you are just looking at raw stats, 7asts off the bench shows the level of playmaker he is. Even when he gets a huge assist—the theatrics and everything to hype up his teammates and the crowd, those all show signs of major confidence being built. The rest of his game will come. The NBA is so stacked with talent now, that what’s between the ears matters just as much as the God-given talent.


Shae had flashes of superstar as early as those HS clips I saw. Even outside of the athleticism, he had perfect form on his jumper and was ripping them from several feet behind the HS 3pt line, suggesting to me that he was going to be comfortable with NBA 3pt range off the bat. He also showed he was going to be a great weakside defender (the huge blocks would not have surprised you if you watched his HS tape). It takes more than athleticism to do that, it’s anticipation and having a feel of when the opponent will do what.

A lot of people who said “all Sharpe did was dunk” were the people who didn’t like the selection, because he showed a lot more than just dunking ability, even in high school. You’re both right about who you’re defending, but let’s not discredit the other player in doing so. We’re lucky to have both players.

I have been monumentally busy with my career and have not watched much Scoot since his return and so maybe those are the games with the flashes. I would love, love, LOVE to see Scoot become an All-Star and am rooting for him. I am just a bit concerned with the injuries. I do also understand that PG is by FAR the hardest position in the NBA and the adjustment to speed in particular is uber difficult.

In a similar vein, my son was remarking after his first few varsity highschool games that it's MUCH harder than 8th grade (he's a freshman and starting Varsity at a small HS). He's the 2nd leading scorer on his team after a senior!

Btw, how about Shae averaging 26 PPG the last 3 games and one of them with Ant on the floor! WOW!

 

[MarinerDNA]

Brandon Miller is a strange case. I can't remember too many rookies who looked like TRASH during Summer League and preseason suddenly look good when the actual games started. Batum, maybe? I still think we made the right choice.